Article: Sangoma sick note valid: court

Azg

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Mountain out of molehill. If you are sick whether you go to a doctor or a sangoma you can get a sick note. Labour laws and employment contracts are clear on the rules regarding sick leave.
 

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And here's why nobody wants to invest in this shithole country.

OT but how long does it take to become a Sangoma? Is there formalised training or on the job, watch a pro type of hands on training?
It's like becoming a rabbi. Get two or three sangomas to point and say "his muti is the bees knees".
 

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Mountain out of molehill. If you are sick whether you go to a doctor or a sangoma you can get a sick note. Labour laws and employment contracts are clear on the rules regarding sick leave.
Sick is one thing, getting a month off for being tormented by your ancestors is quite another.
 
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OT but how long does it take to become a Sangoma? Is there formalised training or on the job, watch a pro type of hands on training?

There is no fixed time because initiation processes differ. South Africa is so diverse and even within Xhosa/Zulu people, there is diversity in terms of rituals depending on which clan you are coming from.

Generally speaking, methodologies and philosophies are similar.

If you are interested, you can read Nomzi's story as a start http://www.scielo.org.za/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S1445-73772014000200003

Then compare with Nothando's calling. http://southafrica.co.za/becoming-a-sangoma.html .

You will see similarities in the method but the initiation process, length is not the same.
 

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I hear government clinics are not allowed to write sick notes, I'm pretty late here but, sangomas can write valid sick notes?
Below is a summary of https://www.econoserv.co.za/traditional-healer-sangoma-medical-certificates/

In conclusion, based on the labour appeal court’s decision, one should deduce that the constitution recognises traditional beliefs and practices, so employers should also accept these beliefs or better yet be open-minded about the beliefs, practices and traditions of their employees.
 

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All this could have been avoided, as much as there are troublesome workers there are also some employers who will go out of their way to be unreasonable. It would be interesting to see the general conduct of the lady over all the years she spent at her employer, usually the most trustworthy employees ends up being abused by unreasonable bosses.
 

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We had a guy here by my work not showing up for work or showing up late for work an a regular basis. He was counselled, given written warnings eventually charged and dismissed. The employee went to the CCMA and still lost the case. He then went to the Labour court. The Labour court then instructed the company to re-employ the guy. The court said, "How can a company dismissed a employee for time keeping! he needs to feed his wife and kids" He came back to work and was paid a full years back pay.
 

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Well, I guess as long as they're registered?
Yes.

Here at work, we have a free 24/7 confidential support service for employees where you have access to professional services to assist and guide you through a challenging situation including the subject matter of traditional healers. This is to make sure processes are better managed, understood from an Employer-Employee point of view because often that's what gets challenged at the CCMA and courts.
 

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We had a guy here by my work not showing up for work or showing up late for work an a regular basis. He was counselled, given written warnings eventually charged and dismissed. The employee went to the CCMA and still lost the case. He then went to the Labour court. The Labour court then instructed the company to re-employ the guy. The court said, "How can a company dismissed a employee for time keeping! he needs to feed his wife and kids" He came back to work and was paid a full years back pay.
What happened to him, was the employer finally able to get rid of him?
 
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