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<snip>something remains a mystery for me, as moderator decided to not give me details of his reasoning...
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You need to be part of the unpaid help to find out how they reason...

 

[Space_Chief]

Ito trolls; It's always difficult to be 100% sure about the troll label or anything for that matter, but it usually requires someone posing the idea and others agreeing or not.

Often the use of "troll" to discount someone's concerns or arguments is just an example of the ad hominem fallacy. To call someone a troll, one should provide a valid reason why the argument is false, and then one can psychoanalise what the motivations are. If the person is maliciously trying to cause trouble, he's a troll.

 

[[)roi(]]

Often the use of "troll" to discount someone's concerns or arguments is just an example of the ad hominem fallacy. To call someone a troll, one should provide a valid reason why the argument is false, and then one can psychoanalise what the motivations are. If the person is maliciously trying to cause trouble, he's a troll.

Soft topics are always difficult for consensus.

There's really no strict doctrine for trolling + we're dealing with intellectuals, so it's not difficult to reason that trolling could often masquerade behind a plea for help.

The inconsistencies in follow up across multiple threads coupled with a newly created profile could imply the above.

 

[alatheia]

Glad I'm not alone in my feelings towards this spastic troll.

I wonder what his calculator brand of choice is? I'm sure he needs a support contract with that so someone can show him how to make use of it.

I have been a very happy and competent user of Linux for a decade now and I had a career in IT going back thirty years. If any product behaves in an uncommon fashion, where even the most basic logic gets defied, there has to be something wrong with it. I think that, by now, I have installed enough networks, computers, set up servers and tweaked software from here right into the Pacific to know what I am doing. If the BT and wireless do not work, then it just do not work. If the second very expensive iPhone fails, I start questioning its integrity. I had very cheap phones before, from LG and Motorola, Alcatel and Nokia. All of them just worked and did what they were supposed to when they were supposed to and how they were supposed to.

First iPhone arrived end of April, the warranty replacement 3 weeks ago. I am not a 14-year old with twiddly fingers but someone with some reasonable working experience. Buy a Merc, let it run its big end bearings within 3 weeks and just smile, do not get unhappy as it somehow irks people.

 

[alatheia]

https://discussions.apple.com/message/22272210#22272210

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5365070

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OrogenousZones
Re: my iPhone 5 doesnt see my MacBook Pro via Bluetooth
Aug 27, 2013 3:13 PM (in response to Lawrence Finch)
Folks, I too am having this issue with a Verizon iPhone 5 and a brand new MacBook Pro Retina (15" display, as if that matterd). I was not wanting to transfer files (although that could come in handy), but do a bluetooth tether for an internet connection through the iphone's personal hotspot, which otherwise works great.

I chatted with an Apple agent who investigated and came back and said, and I kid you not, that the bluetooth "protocol" (not sure if that's the correct term) of the iphone 5 is not compatible with that of the MacBook Pro Retina. I said that was insane, and that surely, people at Apple on the design teams have a way of making sure that connectivity, which is nowadays pretty darned basic (i.e., bluetooth), between 2 flagship devices of the company would actually work.

He then proceeded to tell me that the OS (Mtlion) was designed so that it wouldn't be compatible. I have never heard that kind of BS from an Apple Support agent before. I couldn't believe it. I ahve not tried to tack the issue on the iphone support side, but will.

So, replace all the parts you want, but according to this guy I chatted with, it ain't gonna work. I will probably also go to the local Genious Bar to see what they have to say.
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[undesign]

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Wifi for tethering to hotspot also broken?

 

[SauRoNZA]

I have been a very happy and competent user of Linux for a decade now and I had a career in IT going back thirty years. If any product behaves in an uncommon fashion, where even the most basic logic gets defied, there has to be something wrong with it. I think that, by now, I have installed enough networks, computers, set up servers and tweaked software from here right into the Pacific to know what I am doing. If the BT and wireless do not work, then it just do not work. If the second very expensive iPhone fails, I start questioning its integrity. I had very cheap phones before, from LG and Motorola, Alcatel and Nokia. All of them just worked and did what they were supposed to when they were supposed to and how they were supposed to.

First iPhone arrived end of April, the warranty replacement 3 weeks ago. I am not a 14-year old with twiddly fingers but someone with some reasonable working experience. Buy a Merc, let it run its big end bearings within 3 weeks and just smile, do not get unhappy as it somehow irks people.

Number of years spent doing the same thing over and over again doesn't mean anything.

Washing dishes for 30 years doesn't make you any better or worse at washing dishes.

You still don't really elaborate on what exactly your problem is, you come across as someone who just wants to moan and not really find a solution at all.

Bluetooth is a standard and although I can't confirm the same exact two devices work as I don't have those at hand I can agree with you that it's bull**** that they aren't designed to work together.

However I have two questions.

Why do you have a Verizon iPhone in SA? There's a slim chance the problem might be related to that somehow.

Secondly why haven't you upgraded to Mavericks in search of a better result?

 

[Space_Chief]

Number of years spent doing the same thing over and over again doesn't mean anything.

Washing dishes for 30 years doesn't make you any better or worse at washing dishes.

You still don't really elaborate on what exactly your problem is, you come across as someone who just wants to moan and not really find a solution at all.

Bluetooth is a standard and although I can't confirm the same exact two devices work as I don't have those at hand I can agree with you that it's bull**** that they aren't designed to work together.

However I have two questions.

Why do you have a Verizon iPhone in SA? There's a slim chance the problem might be related to that somehow.

Secondly why haven't you upgraded to Mavericks in search of a better result?

Washing dishes for 30 years is more likely than not going to make you better at it. Practice makes perfect. You'd want a surgeon who operated for 30 years to do your surgery or would you prefer one who only worked for 2? I'd go with 30, as all else being equal your chances are better there.

I think he/she copy-pasted some text from an Apple discussion group where the same issue is occurring. That's why Verizon and Genius Bars are mentioned.

 

[[)roi(]]

@alatheia

If you want us to give you the benefit of the doubt then explain as requested by everyone exactly what you are trying to do?

Don't talk generally about BT iPhone to MBP -- explain what you need it to do, for example: transfer files, music, access / change contacts?

Also to be taken seriously, it's best to stop quoting Apple forums; the fact that there are many others similarly confused doesn't automatically make their (or your) problems valid.

Remember the iPhone was designed by a different set of engineers, so it's unreasonable to believe it's going to operate the same way as Nokia's phones.

Ps. If you're open to taking advice then you could learn a thing or two.

 

[SauRoNZA]

Washing dishes for 30 years is more likely than not going to make you better at it. Practice makes perfect. You'd want a surgeon who operated for 30 years to do your surgery or would you prefer one who only worked for 2? I'd go with 30, as all else being equal your chances are better there.

I think he/she copy-pasted some text from an Apple discussion group where the same issue is occurring. That's why Verizon and Genius Bars are mentioned.

It was more an analogy illustrating that you would be very good at doing exactly the same thing but that doesn't mean you'll have learnt anything new.

Wasn't meant to be dissected in minute detail.

I know too many people who have "been in IT for 30 years" but can hardly operate a computer properly and are still stuck at the bottom rung of their career path.

Of course there are many people who have been in IT for 30 years and are at the top of their game.

My point was rather that time does not equal experience by default.

A bad surgeon in Year 3 could still be a bad surgeon in Year 30, the passage of time does not guarantee a better result in fact it could be worse due to complacency and not moving with the times.

 

[BeVonk!]

I genuinely find it difficult to believe that someone will want to go from Mac to a Windows environment. I work on both ((work = Windows (forced); personal = Mac (choice)) and there is just no way I'll invest my own money in a Windows environment anymore (I used to).

 

[[)roi(]]

I genuinely find it difficult to believe that someone will want to go from Mac to a Windows environment. I work on both ((work = Windows (forced); personal = Mac (choice)) and there is just no way I'll invest my own money in a Windows environment anymore (I used to).

Careful you might start a war;
I agree with you of course.

 

[BeVonk!]

Careful you might start a war

Hehe.

When it comes to iOS vs Android one can still enjoy a war or two here and there ... but Windows? Windows is not war-worthy. Windows 8 finally killed the OS war as far as computers go.

 

[zippy]

I was on live chat with Apple US/Canada right now.

To cut a looong story short, I am returning to Dell as that is where I had most excellent service. My iPhone and MBP cannot do what I was told by both sales and technical staff.

My 3-week old iPhone 5 gets rejected as an "unsupported device" when trying to connect via Bluetooth with the very new MBP. All software being up to date. Also, the wireless networking has never worked. Furthermore, the compass shows Hout Bay to be north of Cape Town CBD.

The iPhone already is a warranty replacement after the new one from April 2013 failed and it had taken Apple six weeks to sort it out.

I so wish you could have seen the excellent service from Dell, even sent me a Dell Windows 8 DVD at no charge, despite the software issues was not a fault of theirs, more a Microsoft issue.

I can do better by buying a non-OS laptop from Mustek and load Linux onto it. But Windows 8, Nokia and Dell had served me well so that is where I am heading toward.

As far as I am aware, Apple never said that Bluetooth was a supported connection between iphone and MBP. its usb and wifi only.

I think this is because they want to push iCloud

I think your main problem is that you aren't really dealing with Apple in SA.

I believe the Apple products are superior to Dell/Windows, but I would never invest in them if I stayed in SA.

In the UK, when I had a problem with my iphone 3, about 4 years back, Apple replaced it within a week. I have owned a MPB for a year now and haven't had any issues. My phone and ipad sycns over wifi with no problems everytime I load up iTunes on my MBP.

However, it doesn't matter what product you buy. There will always be someone with a dud. My duds all seem to have been HP's and Dell's

 

[Space_Chief]

I genuinely find it difficult to believe that someone will want to go from Mac to a Windows environment. I work on both ((work = Windows (forced); personal = Mac (choice)) and there is just no way I'll invest my own money in a Windows environment anymore (I used to).

I just did. OK not really but use both happily. I bought an 875g device which works as well as my rMBP, but is much lighter. It all depends what you want to use, for what purpose. You want a light device = forget Macbook Airs and other heavy clunkers. I still prefer OSX to Windows, but I'm quite happy using either for casual stuff - like writing reports in Word/Acrobat, internet, email, multimedia, etc. So for travel the rMBP stays at home. For the couch it's a tough choice, while the rMBP 15 is not so heavy, the LaVie is a pleasure to hold and the keyboard is really nice to use too. Of course if I could load OSX on the LaVie I'd use that.

 

[[)roi(]]

I just did. OK not really but use both happily. I bought an 875g device which works as well as my rMBP, but is much lighter. It all depends what you want to use, for what purpose. You want a light device = forget Macbook Airs and other heavy clunkers. I still prefer OSX to Windows, but I'm quite happy using either for casual stuff - like writing reports in Word/Acrobat, internet, email, multimedia, etc. So for travel the rMBP stays at home. For the couch it's a tough choice, while the rMBP 15 is not so heavy, the LaVie is a pleasure to hold and the keyboard is really nice to use too. Of course if I could load OSX on the LaVie I'd use that.

That scenario would just frustrate the crap out of me, as I'd always have to sync off to a shared drive my proposals, presentations, reports, latest code repository, ... -- seems like way too much trouble with no real benefit. At least with the Mac and Parallels it just feels less like a compromise -- and Windows for me just behaves so much better in a Parallel VM, and I even get to lug around a few older Windows versions and a some Linux VMs. Any VMs misbehaving requires a simple snapshot reset.

Lightness is really not the main thing for me (guess I got used to carrying the original clunkers, plus my bag is usually filled with iPads, iPhones, Samsung Galaxy Tab, ...) + let's not forget the general inaccuracy of non Apple touch pads, which alone are usually enough to make me run for a Mac (how does the LaVie btw hold up in that area?)

 

[Space_Chief]

Lightness is really not the main thing for me (guess I got used to carrying the original clunkers, plus my bag is usually filled with iPads, iPhones, Samsung Galaxy Tab, ...) + let's not forget the general inaccuracy of non Apple touch pads, which alone are usually enough to make me run for a Mac (how does the LaVie btw hold up in that area?)

Lightness is great. The touchpad is not bad at all. I do prefer mice to touchpads though in general. What is terrible are Windows 8 gestures, but one can turn that off using various gimmicks.

 

[[)roi(]]

Lightness is great. The touchpad is not bad at all. I do prefer mice to touchpads though in general. What is terrible are Windows 8 gestures, but one can turn that off using various gimmicks.

Sorry, you kind of lost me at the first mention of Windows 8.

Lightness IMO is certainly not a good enough reason to spend money.

Agree that on Windows computers I too prefer a mouse (always because the touchpad quality sucks); on Mac a touch pad will however always be my preference re the workflow simplification with multi touch gestures.

 

[Space_Chief]

Sorry, you kind of lost me at the first mention of Windows 8.

It's terrible. That's why I installed the Start button and disabled the hot corners.

Lightness IMO is certainly not a good enough reason to spend money.

That's a subjective assessment. And I disagree. Note how Apple itself markets its own products - Macbook "Air", iPad "Air" - to allude to the lightness of the device. But 1.3kg is not light. An 875g - and they now have a 795g 13.3 inch Haswell version now too, is a joy to use, unlike heavy clunker Airs. Otherwise the machine does everything a Mac does in terms of Acrobat, Office, email, multimedia, etc functionality. It's a win-win. The laptop feels like a mock up but it is rock solid. There is no bend at all when I type on my lap. Apple needs to deliver some light devices and not merely call their computers "Air".

A portable machine should be portable, lightness and build quality matter. Both shine here. This machine has an i7 CPU at 2GHz, a Samsung 256GB SSD, 4GB RAM and a 13.3 inch screen at 1600x900. The new models use IGZO displays at 2560x1440. The SSD is upgradable.

Oh and unlike the rMBP, NEC was able to fit in a Kensington lock hole.

Agree that on Windows computers I too prefer a mouse (always because the touchpad quality sucks); on Mac a touch pad will however always be my preference re the workflow simplification with multi touch gestures.

I don't use mt gestures. I'm just a highlight, drag, drop etc type guy. Even on OSX gestures sometimes get in the way, but it happens more on Windoze.

I'm derailing this topic. Apologies.

 

[[)roi(]]

It's terrible. That's why I installed the Start button and disabled the hot corners.

Again I got lost...
Yip most likely at the mention of a start button.

That's a subjective assessment. And I disagree. Note how Apple itself markets its own products - Macbook "Air", iPad "Air" - to allude to the lightness of the device. But 1.3kg is not light. An 875g - and they now have a 795g 13.3 inch Haswell version now too, is a joy to use, unlike heavy clunker Airs. Otherwise the machine does everything a Mac does in terms of Acrobat, Office, email, multimedia, etc functionality. It's a win-win. The laptop feels like a mock up but it is rock solid. There is no bend at all when I type on my lap. Apple needs to deliver some light devices and not merely call their computers "Air".

A portable machine should be portable, lightness and build quality matter. Both shine here. This machine has an i7 CPU at 2GHz, a Samsung 256GB SSD, 4GB RAM and a 13.3 inch screen at 1600x900. The new models use IGZO displays at 2560x1440. The SSD is upgradable.

Oh and unlike the rMBP, NEC was able to fit in a Kensington lock hole.

Each to their own; unfortunately it's not a Mac and will never be -- OS X is not an option I'd ever way over a piece of hardware; Windows (pick any version) is just something I would never choose to work on.

Many corporates forced their staff, consultants, ... to work on Windows; fortunately my customers have changed and are now open to Macs on their networks.

Hardware will always be a leapfrog game, and one I tend to find quite boring. Each yearly rendition tends more to being iterative than inventive. Plus I'm a software guy; and one who runs at the first sight of any "hardware" on the women I date

I don't use mt gestures. I'm just a highlight, drag, drop etc type guy. Even on OSX gestures sometimes get in the way, but it happens more on Windoze.

Probably because you don't use multiple spaces? My spaces are typically loaded with a multitude of dev IDEs (Xcode, Netbeans, Visual Studio, ...), VM clients / servers, MySql workbench, Illustrator, etc.

I'm derailing this topic. Apologies.

Actually you made some welcome additions to what was initially an awful thread.