Blu-Ray gains ground

[I am Penguin]

This nice blonde I'll have here tomorrow night will oblige.

More off topic FUD and lies?

 

[I am Penguin]

This nice blonde I'll have here tomorrow night will oblige.

You must still be in high school. Shame.

I think you should marry Howard Stringer if you so love Sony. I'll even send you a wedding present.

I noted YOUR'e already married! IS the blonde's name MAC/OSX by any chance?
Be carefull of all the viruses you may pick up, or give away!

 

[LazyLion]

Sheesh, judging by the hysterical defense of the technology by some in this thread, you would think we just ran over their sacred cow or something. Don't worry guys... it's just some tech. We'll use it until something better comes along. In ten years you won't even remember it anymore... and five minutes after death it is not gonna matter much. You can go back to your PS3 games now!

 

[I am Penguin]

Sheesh, judging by the hysterical defense of the technology by some in this thread, you would think we just ran over their sacred cow or something. Don't worry guys... it's just some tech. We'll use it until something better comes along. In ten years you won't even remember it anymore... and five minutes after death it is not gonna matter much. You can go back to your PS3 games now!

Now who's talking!

Anyway the technology is not the problem, its the attitude of those that hates the technology for some personal gripe, like HD DVD format loss, or Xbox do not have or cannot use, or OLD technology HDTV cannot do HDCP, etc, etc who then when befud the thread with off topic grud, THATS the problem.

The topic says "Blu-Ray gains ground" nothing about what peterCH is posting about just because he hates M$, SONY, HDCP, Blu Ray, DRM and bad salesman. Oh and the world economy in crisis.

 

[ToxicBunny]

How is downscaling the output a personal gripe?

I am a clued up person, and my original HDTV didn't support HDCP, but I would never have thought to even ask what would happen if I didn't have HDCP... since I'd just assume that if I bought a BR player, that it would output at 1080p, and since it wouldn't I would be out of pocket at least R3k.

and DRM is rubbish, I will go out of my way to break DRM simply because if I purchase a video or movie, I want to be able to watch it on whatever device I choose, not the devices they deem acceptable.

 

[I am Penguin]

How is downscaling the output a personal gripe?

I am a clued up person, and my original HDTV didn't support HDCP, but I would never have thought to even ask what would happen if I didn't have HDCP... since I'd just assume that if I bought a BR player, that it would output at 1080p, and since it wouldn't I would be out of pocket at least R3k.

and DRM is rubbish, I will go out of my way to break DRM simply because if I purchase a video or movie, I want to be able to watch it on whatever device I choose, not the devices they deem acceptable.

As I stated everyone have their personal reasons, no point in hammering everyone else on the forum for it. I also stated the hackers and pirates want to achieve the same goal, for different reasons maybe. Thus corporations are looking at ways to defend their rights and monetary value. That simple. So if anyone wants to use the newer devices then they must upgrade or buy licensed legal devices to use their equipment. Someone posted that there is and HDMI multiplexer with HDCP support, maybe that will work, else someone will eventually sell a device with the support and decoding that will enable 1080p on the older HDTV's. To hack stuff ilegally just to prove a principle is just that. IlLegal and ramains theft.

 

[ToxicBunny]

Hackers will achieve their goal, regardless of what the corporations do.... and DRM is not protecting anyones rights or monetary value... its just irritating the real consumers.

and no, again you make the assumption that "hacking" stuff to watch on different devices is illegal, in this country its NOT illegal, its considered fair use.

 

[I am Penguin]

Hackers will achieve their goal, regardless of what the corporations do.... and DRM is not protecting anyones rights or monetary value... its just irritating the real consumers.

and no, again you make the assumption that "hacking" stuff to watch on different devices is illegal, in this country its NOT illegal, its considered fair use.

Yeah, but then this is a third world dump just importing everything. Thus a hackers/pirates haven.

So I presume selling DVD's at robots are fair use too?

 

[ToxicBunny]

No, thats doing it for profit which is illegal in this country.... You should brush up on the law.

and no, we aren't a third world dump that just imports everything... a large number of CD's and DVD's are actually pressed in this country, which makes the price of these things ridiculous, since they're MADE here...

 

[I am Penguin]

No, thats doing it for profit which is illegal in this country.... You should brush up on the law.

and no, we aren't a third world dump that just imports everything... a large number of CD's and DVD's are actually pressed in this country, which makes the price of these things ridiculous, since they're MADE here...

AFAIK most is made in Botswana, Lesotho etc. Anyway thats the media not the electronic's.

Still remains a dump!

 

[noxibox]

What you fail to understand is YOUR fair use will be to the advantage of pirates with their version of fair "USE" and that is why the major corporations are doing something to make it difficult for the pirates and thus also for the "Non Pirates" too.

Now I know this is very complicated and extremely hard for you to comprehend, but the copyright infringers are not being impeded by DRM. It is possible to get any game without paying. Every CD. And now I am seeing a lot of HD movies making the rounds. The only people inconvenienced are us suckers who pay for this stuff. The protections aren't working so what's next, getting their pet politicians to pass a law requiring every citizen to have a decryption chip installed in their optic nerve? Shortly thereafter we'll hear that they can remotely blow the chip if they detect any bypass attempt or unauthorised material being viewed.

Being able to copy bluray movies to a hard drive is not an issue. It can already be done at home, so the movies are getting shared and no measures currently in place are going to stop that. So why have any measures at all?

 

[I am Penguin]

Now I know this is very complicated and extremely hard for you to comprehend, but the copyright infringers are not being impeded by DRM. It is possible to get any game without paying. Every CD. And now I am seeing a lot of HD movies making the rounds. The only people inconvenienced are us suckers who pay for this stuff. The protections aren't working so what's next, getting their pet politicians to pass a law requiring every citizen to have a decryption chip installed in their optic nerve? Shortly thereafter we'll hear that they can remotely blow the chip if they detect any bypass attempt or unauthorised material being viewed.

Being able to copy bluray movies to a hard drive is not an issue. It can already be done at home, so the movies are getting shared and no measures currently in place are going to stop that. So why have any measures at all?

If it is so easy why are everyone then still biithing about it? Then we may agree DRM is not an issue at all as you can bypass it anyway, so we can live with it.

It's simply to protect DMR's and the corporations do it for a valid reason. It will get worse while pirating continues. It makes copying more difficult although not impossible. They also get some maney back in licensing of hardware etc. Again I rephrase, Liasse afair copying is rife, ie school kids, etc, it's not so much proffesional pirating only.

That is a brilliant idea, can only be the brainchild of someone in Africa, you should patent the idea and sell it to SONY. If thats is what it will take to curb pirating then so be it.

 

[ToxicBunny]

IAP : its Laissez-faire..... and i don't really think as a term it applies in this context, because the corporates are trying to interfere and stop it...

and whilst its easy for us technologically capable people to get through the DRM, we're still in the minority, and this is hurting the average consumer which is not acceptable.

school kids pirating things will always be around.. its the professional pirates that are causing the harm to the corporates since they're showing them that people want unprotected distributions that are not limited or restricted to a specific set of devices, and the corporates are too fscking stupid to notice this.

 

[I am Penguin]

IAP : its Laissez-faire..... and i don't really think as a term it applies in this context, because the corporates are trying to interfere and stop it...

and whilst its easy for us technologically capable people to get through the DRM, we're still in the minority, and this is hurting the average consumer which is not acceptable.

school kids pirating things will always be around.. its the professional pirates that are causing the harm to the corporates since they're showing them that people want unprotected distributions that are not limited or restricted to a specific set of devices, and the corporates are too fscking stupid to notice this.

Thanks for the gramar lesson!

And if they do notice and make MP3's R1.00 per song to download do you think personally pirating will stop? As stated 10000 MP3's will still be R10000.00 and who will be willing to pay for it if they can still get it cheaper easily. Still only the minority plus more, Its that simple! So IMHO HDCP and DRM and Hypervisors and Cloud computing is here to stay. We will have to live with it.

 

[ToxicBunny]

woah.... when did hypervisors and cloud computing enter into this discussion and wtf do they have to do with Blu-Ray or DRM?

 

[I am Penguin]

woah.... when did hypervisors and cloud computing enter into this discussion and wtf do they have to do with Blu-Ray or DRM?

Nothing really, as we remain off topic, just that This thread is not about DRM!

It's also new technology in development and I included them in the list to show that new technology comes and goes and it should be accepted or rejected. It does offer good security against pirating and hacking too for that matter and nobody bemoans that fact.

Also as this thread remains off topic, we can include the likes of Windows7.

If you do not like DRM or any anti pirating scheme just don't buy into anything related to it. Your choice, leave others to make theirs. Do not use Windows7 if you hate the DRM technology or Ignore HDTV's hardware with HDCP requirements, just do not cloud every discussion like this one about the "BluRay advances" and gaining market share and acceptance by consumers with fud about DRM and M$ and anything else that has nothing to do with the topic. (Curtosy of PeterCH).

 

[ToxicBunny]

No, that doesn't work...

This thread is about BR gaining ground, which does include DRM because DRM is part and parcel of the BR spec.

We can't include random technologies which have NO bearing on BR simply because you are trying to derail a very valid discussion revolving around BR and DRM

 

[PeterCH]

We should rename this thread to 'SONY BluRay - Get it Now!'
and post some links to retailers, that's what some clueless astroturfers are pushing here.

 

[PeterCH]

Now I know this is very complicated and extremely hard for you to comprehend, but the copyright infringers are not being impeded by DRM. It is possible to get any game without paying. Every CD. And now I am seeing a lot of HD movies making the rounds. The only people inconvenienced are us suckers who pay for this stuff. The protections aren't working so what's next, getting their pet politicians to pass a law requiring every citizen to have a decryption chip installed in their optic nerve? Shortly thereafter we'll hear that they can remotely blow the chip if they detect any bypass attempt or unauthorised material being viewed.

Being able to copy bluray movies to a hard drive is not an issue. It can already be done at home, so the movies are getting shared and no measures currently in place are going to stop that. So why have any measures at all?

When you facilitate copyright infringement by ummm 'modding' consoles knowing they're used for 'illegal' purposes and turn around and call the people you take money from for doing that, pirates.... we'll.... logic won't stick, so noxibox, it's easier to hit your head against the wall than to get your message through.

 

[I am Penguin]

No, that doesn't work...

This thread is about BR gaining ground, which does include DRM because DRM is part and parcel of the BR spec.

We can't include random technologies which have NO bearing on BR simply because you are trying to derail a very valid discussion revolving around BR and DRM

So is SONY, BVR players, HDTV's and the PS3 part and parcel of the Blu Ray and DRM. Thus as the SONY PS3 is one of the main reasons for the success of the implementation of the Blu Ray technology thus far, may we discuss the PS3 then, or whould that now be excluded because it does not suit some agendas? At the risk of this thread becoming a PS3 barter.

Or we can discuss the advantages of what the Blu Ray brings to the market with added capacity and special features. The list is growing by the minute. The latest is Hybrid DVD/Blu Ray titles.

The one fact I agree with is that because of negative attitude the DRM issue must be hurting Blu Ray progress, yet it is making good ground even within a global economic crisis due to people accepting the technology inclusive of DRM. So must we destroy every thread or discussion about the hate of the DRM technology or reasons why people hate DRM? This will then be the fourth+ thread in one week.

Rather, as it seems to me you either lost track or never read the thread, are the following on topic? Read them in conjuction with the other threads you maybe missed or are you just fishing for a scrap because its me? Hmmmm.

Sorry, I have to take exception to this statement. They haven't won anything. The race goes on. Just because the other main competitor pulled out does not mean the race is over. There are new technologies under development all the time and only time will tell who wins this "race".

My opinion of winning this race is when Blu-Ray is ubiquitous and the pervasive technology in this field, and sorry to say, but right now plain old DVD still wears that crown. Plain old DVD is not HD, sure... but it is still the pervasive techonolgy. Let me know when Blu-Ray starts outselling DVD, then we can talk. Right now they are still the new kid on the block and they are still going to have to endure some bloody noses before this fight is over.

The winner of this race should probably only be declared around 2010. Then we can look back and say "Wow, Blu-Ray really blasted everyone else out of the race".... my personal opinion though is we will probably rather be saying "Wow, Blu-Ray was a fairly decent technology, but people never really took to it like the industry thought they would".

Here is part of the reason why... the technology is still just too expensive at this stage. I know you are tired of hearing this, but it is true. Blu-Ray might be nice on an HD TV, but it is not going to become mainstream until all households can afford it. And frankly they don't really see why they should be adopting this at current prices. It is bad enough that we have some fairly newish TVs and DVD players sitting on our shelf, but now they want us to adopt a new technology AND buy a new player and a new TV at two to three times the price? ... in a time of economic downturn?

No thanks... I'll wait another year or two. I was a DVD early adopter... but I'm a Blu-Ray skeptic.... and don't even get me started on all the DRM crap embedded into Blu-Ray!

Bulldust. You have yet to see how this DRM (and the crap built into Windows 7) has yet to frustrate you with stuff that you have legally purchased!!!

It started with Sony not allowing me to play CDs I had bought legally in a computer (where I do 90% of my listening). And soon you are going to find that you will not be able to watch Blu-Ray discs under similar restrictions.

But, yes... I do rip all of my DVDs. Saves on wear and tear... and kiddy fingerprints all over the DVDs.

This is not to mention what happens when the DRM technology goes wrong and starts preventing even legitimate use....

http://www.google.co.za/search?q=bl...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

http://blog.wired.com/business/2008/02/samsung-sued-ov.html

http://www.thestandard.com/news/200...iscs-cheap-players-and-declining-market-share

http://bluraysucks.com/

http://gizmodo.com/5110796/studios-win-battle-in-blu+ray-drm-still-losing-the-war

Haha

This is just an advertising site, SK is setting up. Nothing new.

Thank you. 100% correct.

I'll add forced resolution reduction on non-HDCP connections.