Buthelezi slams affirmative action

marine1 said:
They going to keep blaming Appartheid until the end of time. Its the only excuse for the mess that they have made.
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What makes you think that we will forever blame apartheid ? There was an era of colonialism that came before apartheid. You don't hear many people blaming that today. This is a new era ( ANC RULE) in our history and once it has come to an end, it will be blamed accordingly as well.
 
?? Have you ever listened to Cosatu and the ANCYL? They still blame colonialism for all the problems. One day Appartheid, one day Collonialism. But yeah the ANC will be blamed for totally destroying this place, in the end.
 
The Nats were going along swimmingly in the destruction of the country, until the ANC stopped them
 
marine1 said:
?? Have you ever listened to Cosatu and the ANCYL? They still blame colonialism for all the problems. One day Appartheid, one day Collonialism. But yeah the ANC will be blamed for totally destroying this place, in the end.
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i wouldn't go so far as saying they are destroying this place. There are pretty obvious shortcomings but those are somewhat strong words considering that there is a lot of positves coming out of this country. Also considering that most of the problems they inherited (schooling system, etc). I don't want to sound like an ANC ass licker (which I'm not) but I surely would like to distance myself from statements that they are destroying the place. The other day I was watching on TV a golf course which has been declared one of the best 10 in the world and it's the only one outside of US and it's in Mossel bay. I thought wow there's a lot of good happening in the country but we tend to get fed only the negative stuff.
 
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Well the people in this country believe what the GVT tells them. I suppose you also believe that crime is not an issue as Thabo Mbeki says so? Just remember how many people did not vote. That doesnt mean that the majority of people support the ANC. It means that out of the people that voted, the ANC were more popular. Thats if it is to be believed the elections were not rigged.
 
Bageloo said:
The other day I was watching on TV a golf course which has been declared one of the best 10 in the world and it's the only one outside of US and it's in Mossel bay. I thought wow there's a lot of good happening in the country but we tend to get fed only the negative stuff.
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Oh so did the GVT build that course? What exactly has the GVT built besides low cost housing thats falling down? Please, the infrastructure of this place is a dam joke - power cuts, water problems, roads with pothole all over the SA, hospitals....etc etc.
All they know how to do is use our tax money to buy houses and cars.
 
marine1 said:
Well the people in this country believe what the GVT tells them. I suppose you also believe that crime is not an issue as Thabo Mbeki says so? Just remember how many people did not vote. That doesnt mean that the majority of people support the ANC. It means that out of the people that voted, the ANC were more popular. Thats if it is to be believed the elections were not rigged.
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Your statement does not make sense for someone resident in the country. Unless you have some secret news subscription channels, you are subject to the same GVT propaganda you are refering to.
 
My 2 cents

Bageloo said:
Originally Posted by ToxicBunny
Bageloo : please, think about that. the ANC have had 13 years to start fixing the education system, and all they've managed to do is to make it a complete laughing stock.... instead of their being 3 different education systems with varying levels of success, we have 1 that is just rubbish from start to finish... How is that anything to do with the Apartheid Gov?
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I agree but for now we can still blame apartheid for the levels of education prevailing amongst those seeking employment. Remember those that were born into democracy are only 13 this year. Almost all of job seekers other than those coming from other countries, are a product of apartheid. That includes you and me, unless you happen to be 13 and looking for work.
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OK, hindsight is 20/20, so it's easy for us backseat drivers to criticise. We do however have a right to criticise though, since we're in the same damn car!

That said, many of us would agree that the ANC made a right mess of things. I would imagine that as our first democratic elections approached, they were proud of their accomplishments... and who can fault them for that? But that pride quickly turned into arrogance, IMO.

Anything to do with the former regime, was deemed to be unacceptable. The whites and their infrastructure had to go. No more would the white way be the right way...

From my limited vantage point, if I were in charge of doing it over, then instead of revolutionary I would have gone the evolutionary route. That is to say, change what needs changing, but don't change things purely for the sake of change.

So instead of AA and BEE in its current form, they could have taxed white businesses and wealthy individuals at a higher rate. But in a fair manner as possible, with the affects of Apartheid taken into account. The government could have ploughed the extra tax income into providing free schooling and subsidised tertiary education, more so than it currently does. I suppose even this sounds like reverse racism to some, but Apartheid was unjust and I don't know how u give the previously disadvantaged some help without taking a bit from the previously privileged...[1]

Also, added to that the fact that if one's parents are poor (due to being PDI) it certainly diminishes the chances that one has a decent shot at life!

It's not too late for government to admit they are wrong on certain things, but I think their arrogance will get the better of them. Accountability means nothing to them.

I support a democratic government, not a dictatorship which it seems we are heading for... Case in point, the people are crying out about crime, but government ignores us.

Disclaimer: I am by no means an expert, so if I am wrong about anyhting feel free to point it out.

[1] This is by no means a perfect solution. It's the best I could come up with off the top of my head...
 
Bageloo said:
Your statement does not make sense for someone resident in the country. Unless you have some secret news subscription channels, you are subject to the same GVT propaganda you are refering to.
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Difference is I dont support or listen to anything this gvt says. Every time I hear one of their spokespersons I read between the lines. You choice what you want to listen to or believe.
 
marine1 said:
Well the people in this country believe what the GVT tells them. I suppose you also believe that crime is not an issue as Thabo Mbeki says so? Just remember how many people did not vote. That doesnt mean that the majority of people support the ANC. It means that out of the people that voted, the ANC were more popular. Thats if it is to be believed the elections were not rigged.
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I don't believe crime is not an issue and so do many people I know in my circles.

"Well the people in this country believe what the GVT tells them"

Where is the proof of this?
 
marine1 said:
Difference is I dont support or listen to anything this gvt says. Every time I hear one of their spokespersons I read between the lines. You choice what you want to listen to or believe.
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So, when Govt says it is time to get tough on crime - you don't support it - maybe that's why we have a problem in our country - are you by any chance a DA supporter as that is typical of their strategy, see what govt proposes then oppose it, whether it is good for the country or not.

I would suggest you listen to what they say, listen to the opposition and other stakeholders and make your own decision.

By your own admission you do not listen and make a decision, you come in with a preconception that it is wrong - but I suppose that is what decades of brainwashing does - something that a short thirteen years can't remove
 
Did FNB cancel their add? GVT told them to do it and they did for example. There are many instances of gvt telling the people what to do or say. GVT spokespeople come on air all day on the radio and people actuially call in and yes they say they believe them. Listen to any talk show (SAFM, 702) and listen to what the people say when asked to comment on what gvt says or stand for.
 
xtermin8or said:
So, when Govt says it is time to get tough on crime - you don't support it - maybe that's why we have a problem in our country - are you by any chance a DA supporter as that is typical of their strategy, see what govt proposes then oppose it, whether it is good for the country or not.
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When has gvt said its time to get tough on crime and actually done anything? What a load of rubbish. They can talk talk talk all they want. Lets see some action. Please show me one thing positive with regards to crime that this gvt has accomplished. PLEASE!!

xtermin8or said:
I would suggest you listen to what they say, listen to the opposition and other stakeholders and make your own decision.
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Done that for a long time.
xtermin8or said:
By your own admission you do not listen and make a decision, you come in with a preconception that it is wrong - but I suppose that is what decades of brainwashing does - something that a short thirteen years can't remove
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I hear what gvt says - i just dont listen as its utter crap.
 
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