Buthelezi slams affirmative action

[RogueTr00per]

The Nats were going along swimmingly in the destruction of the country, until the ANC stopped them

That is true, but it doesn't give the ANC the right to finish the job in their own special way In all seriousness, things don't look so good right now...

Since the rest of Africa has gone to the dogs, the ANC should be all the more vigilant about not letting the same happen here!

 

[Bageloo]

Oh so did the GVT build that course? What exactly has the GVT built besides low cost housing thats falling down? Please, the infrastructure of this place is a dam joke - power cuts, water problems, roads with pothole all over the SA, hospitals....etc etc.
All they know how to do is use our tax money to buy houses and cars.

Aah, I never said they built the course. I was just pointing out one of the good things coming out of this country. 2010, Gautrain, Blue IQ etc. are just the few that would contrast your claim of the GVT destroying the country

 

[dlk001]

Did FNB cancel their add? GVT told them to do it and they did for example. There are many instances of gvt telling the people what to do or say. GVT spokespeople come on air all day on the radio and people actuially call in and yes they say they believe them. Listen to any talk show (SAFM, 702) and listen to what the people say when asked to comment on what gvt says or stand for.

Is this a proof that the vast majority of people in this country listen to what the GVT says?

Which radio stations do the vast majority of people in this country listen to?

 

[xtermin8or]

Did FNB cancel their add? GVT told them to do it and they did for example. There are many instances of gvt telling the people what to do or say. GVT spokespeople come on air all day on the radio and people actuially call in and yes they say they believe them. Listen to any talk show (SAFM, 702) and listen to what the people say when asked to comment on what gvt says or stand for.

There is no proof that Govt told them to cancel the campaign, from either FNB or the Presidency

So you think this from the ANC is wrong ???

In the face of a sustained campaign by some to seek political gain from the
problem of crime, the people of South Africa need to maintain a steady focus
on the key problems, challenges and practical tasks that need to be
undertaken to defeat this scourge. We cannot allow this important work to be
diverted by the feverish denouncements that have preoccupied so many in the
media in the two weeks since the ANC presented the fight against crime as
one its priority tasks for the year.

Is this not an admission that crime is a problem, in fact they see it as a priority task for the year

 

[marine1]

Look at what happened at the SABC. Jeez what coubntry are you living in? People in this country do what gvt tells them. Thats plain to see if you open your eyes.

 

[xtermin8or]

When has gvt said its time to get tough on crime and actually done anything? What a load of rubbish. They can talk talk talk all they want. Lets see some action. Please show me one thing positive with regards to crime that this gvt has accomplished. PLEASE!!

For one the decentralisation of specialised units in the SAPS is one thing they have done, the positive spin-offs will soon be seen

 

[marine1]

Thabo Mbeki said CRIME IS NOT A PROBLEM. Go and listen to your leader. Thats is the real reason in my opinion that FNB wanted to go ahead with this campaign.
Once again-go and listen to the interview on 702 with John Robbie. The CEO of FNB said when asked if gvt intervened that he was approached by people. When asjked for a second and third time he said the same thing. You could hear in hhis voice and answers that he was hiding something.

 

[marine1]

For one the decentralisation of specialised units in the SAPS is one thing they have done, the positive spin-offs will soon be seen

Oh really? I suppose you are or have been in the police in SA? Lets just see what happens. Most of the previous specialist from those units have now asked for transfers to either Highway Patrol or back to Flying Squad as they are having big problems at the staion level.

 

[xtermin8or]

I heard the interview, he said they consulted widely, that's all he said , they consulted widely and believed it would not carry the correct message. But that is beside the point, unlike the past, no-one forces you to listen to Govt and no-one but the Govt. and no-one says don't speak out against govt. it is your choice. The fact that the majority of South Africans still believe the ANC Govt is providing a better life for them, is testament to the fact that the Govt is working for the majority of the people - I have to leave now but there have been numerous polls done to back that up - the fact that the ANC has been continuosly voted into power is testament to the fact that the people are happy with their rule ( remember we have had free and fair elections since 1994 )

I personally believe we need a more effective, united and stronger opposition in parly but that is fodder for another debate

 

[dlk001]

Look at what happened at the SABC. Jeez what coubntry are you living in? People in this country do what gvt tells them. Thats plain to see if you open your eyes.

Its not plain to see something that is your preconceived opinion. What is the proof that the vast majority of people in this country do what gvt tells them? Do you know which radio stations the vast majority of people in this country listen to? Do you listen to them?

 

[Bageloo]

Since the rest of Africa has gone to the dogs, the ANC should be all the more vigilant about not letting the same happen here!

I thought sub-saharan africa had recorded the fastest economic growth compared to other regions. The canines must be doing a pretty good job then.

 

[xtermin8or]

Oh really? I suppose you are or have been in the police in SA? Lets just see what happens. Most of the previous specialist from those units have now asked for transfers to either Highway Patrol or back to Flying Squad as they are having big problems at the staion level.

Well I know my fair share about the Police - and those that want to leave are scared of change and work - under their specialist units they could not be held accountable and hundreds of dockets were opened and left at that - no follow ups - sometimes not even an interview with the complainant - suddenly they are accountable to a station commander - and have to work

 

[marine1]

Rubbish, i was involved in the SAPS for a number of years. They have been told for at least 2 years that there was no longer a place for whites in the SAPS. In their spec. units they were held accountable. They were elite units. A lot of the guys I know have either left or transfered to units like Asset Forfeit. Some have gone to Iraq, some have gone to Task Force. Station level is where there is no accountablility. Station commanders? Yes sure thats going to help. They dont report directly to the station commander anyway but then you should know this.

 

[RogueTr00per]

No mate they are in the car - we are on the trailer at the back and have no say or control.

LOL

Difference is I dont support or listen to anything this gvt says. Every time I hear one of their spokespersons I read between the lines. You choice what you want to listen to or believe.

I guess it's not abnormal for gov to lie to the people. It happens all the time in the USA, under the Bush administration...

In fact, I don't think our gov even knows how to tell the truth...

 

[dlk001]

Ukhozi FM (15.5%
Umhlobo Wenene FM (11.1%)
Lesedi FM (9.1%)
Thobela FM (6.4%)
Metro FM (6.2%)

These are the radio stations that the vast majority of people in SA listen to. I listen to most of them because they are Nguni and English. On which radio station do you get “GVT spokespeople come on air all day on the radio and people actuially call in and yes they say they believe them”.
You must listen to Metro Talk! - Current Affairs

 

[Bageloo]

Ukhozi FM (15.5%
Umhlobo Wenene FM (11.1%)
Lesedi FM (9.1%)
Thobela FM (6.4%)
Metro FM (6.2%)

These are the radio stations that the vast majority of people in SA listen to. I listen to most of them because they are Nguni and English. On which radio station do you get “GVT spokespeople come on air all day on the radio and people actuially call in and yes they say they believe them”.
You must listen to Metro Talk! - Current Affairs

Not to mention the many independent (not SABC) radio radio stations in the country.

 

[ToxicBunny]

xt : Like a few people have mentioned here, the gvt seems to talk ALOT and do absolutely nothing... Talk is all well and good, and some of the things the gvt has talked about are good, but then they fade away and never happen so they may as well never have said them in the first place.

 

[dlk001]

xt :Talk is all well and good, and some of the things the gvt has talked about are good, but then they fade away and never happen so they may as well never have said them in the first place.

I lean towards agreeing with you on that one I feel that there is so much opportunity to do something good only if GVT could be less political and more hands-on on certain issues.

 

[kilo39]

Not to mention the many independent (not SABC) radio radio stations in the country.

Ag pleaze. What is the primary radio band = FM. Who is the majority stakeholder in FM (which most radios have as standard, less so MW, SW, etc.)

This issue of AA and BEE: a real bitch defending racist policies, neh? I don't doubt the policy is fiendishly clever but fact remains; how many houses have been built? How many hospitals? How many schools? How many roads, how many miles of pipe? And of course: how many kids have been raped, how many street children, how many?

Plain fact: market forces would obviate the need for AA. Mbeki supposedly introduced AA and BEE because white companies weren't opening doors, leaving the apartheid capitalistic system in place. This after 3 years in our new democracy. Did he really give anything else the chance to work? (And it seemed to be working perfectly fine before this time.)

I have been working with coloured superiors and colleagues ever since (the beginning of time, including military service,) I come from CT notably not a large embedded indigenous black population. I lived for years in Gauteng. Opening the market generally should have increased the need for (what are now AA staff,) would this be any different? But no, now we have AA and BEE which no matter your protestations are racial at base. All racists have some excuse.

Regarding colonialism: europe didn't simply conquer africa overnight. Slavery continued a tradition of thousands(?) of years throughout africa (and even the world, such as it was at that time.) Europe simply mechanised it thanks to willing stooges on the african side. And greater colonialism? Is that not exactly the problem we are still seeing today; personal enrichment to the detriment of all? What's changed? What needs to change? Is it the white people, who willingly gave you the country, or is it the black people...?

BEE? Seems to only have made a difference in the boardroom at the overall expense of jobs, investment, and the future of the country.

There is no doubt we have come a ways; we would have come this way anyway. How much paperwork, how much time, how many speeches, how much bullsh#t promulgating, justifying, forcing basically racist policies on the country? And here we are, talking race again! Who's fault is that?

 

[dlk001]

Is it the white people, who willingly gave you the country, or is it the black people...?

Willingly?