Cape Party Q&A

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Retrobok : Pre 1994 elections they didn't need to convince a majority... but a majority of the minority, a MUCH easier task.
Fair point :D

As for the Cape Party convincing a majority, you're talking in excess of 10m people.... Thats just not going to happen when more than 10m of those people vote for the ANC.

With that logic, all hope is lost for ALL other political parties and not just the DA is it not? It's any oppositions duty/responsibility/in their best interests to go out and "educate" these voters, my argument is if the Cape Party "get out there" and do what other parties don't (ie: campaigning at grass roots level, continuously) then they are well on their way to success.

Yes it's a big task I know, however it's something that's never really been done in South Africa properly and I'm sure it will yield results. The manpower needed to do this campaign of course is huge, and that's why I think it's important to get the word out as much as possible so like-minded people can get out there and work for it. No one said claiming independence would be easy and I'm sure the guys at the Cape Party realise this.
 
Fair point :D



With that logic, all hope is lost for ALL other political parties and not just the DA is it not? It's any oppositions duty/responsibility/in their best interests to go out and "educate" these voters, my argument is if the Cape Party "get out there" and do what other parties don't (ie: campaigning at grass roots level, continuously) then they are well on their way to success.

Yes it's a big task I know, however it's something that's never really been done in South Africa properly and I'm sure it will yield results. The manpower needed to do this campaign of course is huge, and that's why I think it's important to get the word out as much as possible so like-minded people can get out there and work for it. No one said claiming independence would be easy and I'm sure the guys at the Cape Party realise this.

Retrobok: You said earlier you were overseas? I know for a fact that the Cape Party are sending some people to the UK and Europe over the next month for campaigning/fund raising reasons... Theyre also setting up contracts with people in touch with the ex-pat community over there.

Why not give them a call on Monday and have someone pay you a visit?
 
Retrobok: You said earlier you were overseas? I know for a fact that the Cape Party are sending some people to the UK and Europe over the next month for campaigning/fund raising reasons... Theyre also setting up contracts with people in touch with the ex-pat community over there.

Why not give them a call on Monday and have someone pay you a visit?

Don't do it RetroBok!:eek:

They are like the census people - they all leave with smiles and your TV.:eek:

You have been warned! :p
 
Don't do it RetroBok!:eek:

They are like the census people - they all leave with smiles and your TV.:eek:

You have been warned! :p

Dude,

I'm a Saffa, I NEVER allow strangers in my house :D Least just before the weekend when I know there's sport on telly :D
 
Tis already been arranged mate ;)

Ha! Nice 1!

On this side I know theres a big roadtrip planned for end of July that Il take part in. We're heading through all the major towns from Caledon all the way through to Plett. I also know we'll be in groups, my group for instance will be doing the Overberg region like Greyton, Hermanus, Grabouw, Kleinmond, Gaansbaai and even Elim, but we all meet up in the Garden route. Whole things gonna take 2 weeks.

Just thought Id share ;)
 
I notice my question hasn't actually been effectively answered, since the answer provided is unacceptable and factually incorrect.

This is pretty much the most important question that the Cape Party needs to answer before any other issues can be settled, and if they can't be honest and upfront about this very basic question then they deserve to be ridiculed for the joke that they are.

Your question has been answered. That you refuse to recognise the answer is YOUR problem.

We have outlined a territory (which is framed by the constitution) which we can claim as our own. You ignore the fact that the Cape Colony was expanded by the same British empire that forced a Union of South Africa. You also identify that colony at its largest extent, even though it only briefly consisted of many areas in the Eastern Cape and North West.The Cape Colony existed for 258 years before the Union, and for 154 years before the arrival of the imperial british, who forced an unnatural expansion.

The Cape's natural borders are clearly marked along the outline of the contiguous municipalities mentioned before. They mark an ancient border of the Khoisan resistance against bantu migration. The Khoisan (those that survive) have largely taken on mixed race status and adopted Afrikaans as their language.

You previously have mentioned that there are assets which "belong" to the national government and the SA tax payer. This is a rather warped take on how things stand. The South African government owns nothing. It administers the land included in its territory on behalf of the people, in whom ultimate soveriegnity lies. The people have the power to dissolve the social contract at any time they wish, and to decide on other social contracts (eg one that involves the dissolution of the Republic of South Africa).

Nothing will be owed to anyone should the Cape secede. You make a further mistake, in that you forget that South Africa seceded from Great Britain (who had previously owned vast amounts of territory, government buildings, military installations etc) and paid no such money, as the example you talk about. The territory was simply given to the South African government as part of its treatise toward sovereign independence. South Africa was not a soverign nation until 1927, when it took control of its own foreign policy and got a flag. In 1931, after the Balfour Declaration, South Africa became a dominion with the British Crown represented in all but name, under the Governor- General, who took his advice from Parliament. He was a puppet/symbolic Chief Executive. South Africa completed its total secession from Britain in the 1950's and culminated in 1961 with the Declaration of a Republic. We did not pay a cent to Britain for what "They owned". Nor did we ask the permission of the British people.

Neither did the US, when it seceded from Great Britain. There too, the British "owned" territory, land, buildings, military installations. No one paid a cent to anybody.
 
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You can't "claim" it as your own without getting a majority vote, and the section of the constitution you are attempting to use has been quoted OUT of context.

You mentioned the date of 1910, which gives a land area for the Cape Colony that matches that of the ex Cape Province.. not some selected areas in that area.

No, unfortunately for you, the South African government DOES own the assets mentioned, since they were paid for by the South African taxpayer, as much as you don't want to accept that concept. If you want to take the tack that the assets are owned by the citizens, then you will have to pay back a percentage of the value of those assets because they were paid for by ALL the citizens of this country, not just your select few in the Cape.

No, South Africa didn't secede from Great Britain, Great Britain decided to gives its former colonies the right to self governance. So by trying to misrepresent history on how South Africa gained its independence paints your "organisation" in a further bad light in my opinion.

And the US paid a great price to gain its independence from Great Britain, or are you forgetting the American Revolutionary War?
 
You can't "claim" it as your own without getting a majority vote, and the section of the constitution you are attempting to use has been quoted OUT of context.

You mentioned the date of 1910, which gives a land area for the Cape Colony that matches that of the ex Cape Province.. not some selected areas in that area.

No, unfortunately for you, the South African government DOES own the assets mentioned, since they were paid for by the South African taxpayer, as much as you don't want to accept that concept. If you want to take the tack that the assets are owned by the citizens, then you will have to pay back a percentage of the value of those assets because they were paid for by ALL the citizens of this country, not just your select few in the Cape.

No, South Africa didn't secede from Great Britain, Great Britain decided to gives its former colonies the right to self governance. So by trying to misrepresent history on how South Africa gained its independence paints your "organisation" in a further bad light in my opinion.

And the US paid a great price to gain its independence from Great Britain, or are you forgetting the American Revolutionary War?


The South African Government owns nothing. You dont know what you're talking about, the precendents are too many to list here of countries who seceded and did so with all the assets in that territory. Great Britain convened the Balfour Comission on PM Hertzog's insistence(Thus it amounts to secession). Your knowledge of history is painfully superficial. You ignore the American example deliberately. You are painting yourself in a bad light.

"Secession (derived from the Latin term secessio) is the act of withdrawing from an organization, union, or especially a political entity"

We are seceding, just as South Africa seceded, starting in the 1920's. I feel at this stage that your knowledge limits your ability to take this discussion any further and that I will conclude by asking you to re-investigate secession case studies before you waste any more of my time.

Thank You
 
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Well I as an owner of a portion of the assets in the Cape demand reperations for your "stealing" them from me, and I will fight for that in court, as I'm sure MANY other people will do as well.

No it doesn't "amount" to secession...Legally we were given our independence.

I feel at this time, your "organisations" attempt to distort the facts show that your intentions are not as clean and pure as you claim.
 
Is the Cape Party going to rename itself to the White Dutch Party?
 
Well I as an owner of a portion of the assets in the Cape demand reperations for your "stealing" them from me, and I will fight for that in court, as I'm sure MANY other people will do as well.

How about, after independence, we turn Toxic's 'assets' into the Cape's biggest pig farm? We can export pig manure to SA so that Toxic can use it in his gardening?
 
Is the Cape Party going to rename itself to the White Dutch Party?

Why would it do that? If you did your research you'd know it has absolutely nothing to do with race. Are you going to change your name to '****er' only because you happen to sound like one? Or maybe you should come up with a topic for discussion rather than naively labelling our party.
 
Whats in the Cape belongs to the people of the Cape, we have paid our dues and then some, and this insistance on going round and round with on particulars is getting nowhere as even when some ppl are abswered, they will still find a way to disrepute everything claiming that they are factually incorrect...

Capeparty1 has been good enough to come here in order to answer questions and i applaud him for taking the initiative to be here in the first place.

Some people are just against secession and nothing anyone can say will change their minds, however, they should know that our resolve is strong, and for the time being we may be small, but we're very determined, very organised and very confident that our movement will achieve its goals. We wont ever stop.
 
Why would it do that? If you did your research you'd know it has absolutely nothing to do with race. Are you going to change your name to '****er' only because you happen to sound like one? Or maybe you should come up with a topic for discussion rather than naively labelling our party.

You are a perfect sterotype for your Apartheid style party. You want your "seperate living" :D

Well.. I know nothing is going to happen about this.. its a bunch of mostly white okes who want to drink their brandy and coke while discussing how cool it was living under Apartheid.

Cape Town is South African and belongs to everyone.. not your little "Well ek is van die Kaap" club.
 
The South African Government owns nothing. You dont know what you're talking about

So if then the SA government owns nothing, then how come you claim you "own" the Cape and everything in it. Contradictory terms. Seems like you know nothing.


Whats in the Cape belongs to the people of the Cape, we have paid our dues and then some

The "Cape" doesn't own everything that's in it. You fail to understand that the Cape is part of South Africa, and that the South African Government also spends money on public infrastructure in the Cape.

How long will it take you to understand that!?
 
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You are a perfect sterotype for your Apartheid style party. You want your "seperate living" :D

Well.. I know nothing is going to happen about this.. its a bunch of mostly white okes who want to drink their brandy and coke while discussing how cool it was living under Apartheid.

Cape Town is South African and belongs to everyone.. not your little "Well ek is van die Kaap" club.

You will find any excuse to target in on anyones random statements in an attempt to label the entire movemement as racists as it is you who is a slave to apartheid style conditioning.

I know for a fact most of the Cape Party's registered members are coloured, and wouldnt know what they drink. Your attempts to label CP supporters as backward right-wing "brandy and coke drinkers" only serves to reinstate that you have no idea what your talking about. In your eyes, anyone wanting to secede should be labeled as racist. However, it is you who keeps banging on about race, because you, are unimaginative, predictable and boring. Then again, maybe your just sorry you dont live here.

Your right about one thing though, we DO want a "seperate living!"

Seperate from your Republic of SA and all her inherent problems.
 
So if then the SA government owns nothing, then how come you claim you "own" the Cape and everything in it. Contradictory terms. Seems like you know nothing.




The "Cape" doesn't own everything that's in it. You fail to understand that the Cape is part of South Africa, and that the South African Government also spends money on public infrastructure in the Cape.

How long will it take you to understand that!?

How long will it take for you to understand we ARE seceding?? Deal with it. Your attempts to dissuade people here by claiming that you have a monopoly on what's right is ludicrous at the least and simply doesnt matter.
 
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