Cape Town: David Forbes murder case

marine1 said:
But if he was stabbed then it's self defense .
Think someone said he was stabbed
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Depends where he was stabbed, at the petrol station or before? If he was stabbed before the incident at the petrol station and he followed him and then killed him? I don't know with our current "law" enforcers and how they nowadays think that will be murder and I'm sure someone will bring up a race angle.
 
Anymore news? I see all the reports regarding who was involved (including a link posted here on page 1 or 2) have been removed off the interwebs. I guess lawyers etc. are involved and probably had something to do with that.

All seems really weird :/
 
Dames said:
Anymore news? I see all the reports regarding who was involved (including a link posted here on page 1 or 2) have been removed off the interwebs. I guess lawyers etc. are involved and probably had something to do with that.

All seems really weird :/
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Article currently on IOL.
 
Dames said:
Anymore news? I see all the reports regarding who was involved (including a link posted here on page 1 or 2) have been removed off the interwebs. I guess lawyers etc. are involved and probably had something to do with that.

All seems really weird :/
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:confused: tested all links... working.
 
Some further news today.


Garage shooting: victim’s family speaks

January 26 2015 at 07:53am
By Chelsea Geach

Cape Town - “He took the love of my life away – my last-born son.”

The mystery shooter who killed Moegamat Toufiq Joseph, 23, in a bizarre murder at the Engen garage on Orange Street in Gardens on Saturday did it for “no reason”, the victim’s father said on Sunday.

Ebrahiem Joseph, who used to run a fresh fruit and vegetable store in the city centre, said the killer had taken the “apple of (his) eye”. Toufiq was the youngest of three brothers, and his unexplained death has left the family in shock.

The shooter, a thick-set 48-year-old man in a grey tank top, was seen at the window of the car Toufiq was driving, possibly arguing, before he shot him in the stomach.

After killing Toufiq, the shooter smoked a cigarette and drank a Coke as he waited for police to arrive and arrest him.

The Weekend Argus reported that he was an off-duty security guard.
Copy of ca p1 Toufiq Joseph 2 done.JPG Moegamat Toufiq Joseph, 23, above left, who was shot and killed on Saturday, at a petrol station in Cape Town. SUPPLIED

“He’s four times the size of my son,” Ebrahiem said. “He shot my son for no reason.”

In Woodstock on day, cars carrying Toufiq’s friends and family lined the pavements of Cornwall Street, where he lived most of his life with his parents.

A crowd gathered inside his home, spilling onto the porch as people travelled from as far as Joburg to comfort his mother and share their fond memories of Toufiq.

Ebrahiem remembered Toufiq as a baby, sitting contentedly in fruit boxes while his parents worked.

“When I was selling fruit and veg, and he was just three months old, we would put him in a banana box there on Parliament Street. He grew up there, until he was six and he went to school.”

His mother, Shariefa, was fast asleep on Saturday when her eldest son, Nazeem, called with the news. He had just identified Toufiq’s body.

Shariefa screamed hysterically when she heard her youngest son had been killed, but on Sunday her there was no tears as she remembered how he made her laugh.

“He was a sweet little boy, never rude,” she said. “He would always greet people in the street, he was very friendly. He had lots of friends.”

Toufiq never completed school, and preferred working with his hands.

“He wanted to be a welder,” Shariefa said.

Before he left on his fateful trip on Saturday, he visited his mother.

“He came back, gave me R200, and said ‘Mommy go buy yourself something’. That’s the last time I saw him.”

Time was ticking by painfully for the family on Sunday, as they waited to bury their son according to Muslim rites, but his body could not be released from the morgue because of problems with his ID documentation.

“They can’t let the body lie like that,” Shariefa said. “It makes it harder for us.”

The family hoped he could be laid to rest today.

Meanwhile, the suspect arrested for his murder is set to appear in Cape Town Magistrate’s Court today, according to police spokesman Lieutenant-Colonel André Traut.

Multiple radio stations and online news sources reported yesterday that the shooter was in fact an organiser of a major upcoming music festival. The reports said the shooter had argued with Toufiq because he suspected him of selling fake tickets to the electronic music festival.

Toufiq’s close friend, Shameer Abbass, said he had bought tickets to the festival, but that the shooting had nothing to do with it.

“He had a contact with the tickets, but they weren’t fake tickets,” Abbass said. “They purchased tickets at the internet café and sold tickets.”

Abbass said his friend had had a “premonition” that danger was coming his way, and even shaved his head, saying he was ready to go.

“He had some kind of a premonition. On Friday, he was making jokes, saying if anything should happen to him he wanted us to remember him with a trance song,” Abbass said. “He’s not the type of person to show his emotions, but he called me at four o’clock in the morning to say he’s going to miss me. He said: ‘Shameer, thanks for being a good friend and having my back’.”

Abbass said he had known Toufiq since they were children.

“He was like a brother to me. He was funny without him knowing it. He would always make us laugh.”

Abbass visited the family on Sunday, where they all waited for answers in the inexplicable attack that claimed Toufiq’s life.

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Cape Argus
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Moegamat Toufiq Joseph, 23, above left, who was shot
and killed on Saturday, at a petrol station in Cape Town.
 
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Was quite ***,
was returning from my BDay at the Round House, just wanting to pick up some supplies,
the area was sealed off, I guess a family member?? crying her eyes out, we skipped the stop but what a horrible reminder of our country.
jeez, I would give my left testicle if we could remove all weapons of mass death from this country.
 
Looks like this guy was left to die, no mention of anyone calling an ambulance or rushing to aid this bloke...
 
zululami said:
Stabbed by a guy in a car...? what an unlikely story, this is murder, whichever way you look at it... but people get away with it in SA
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That is very premature. I agree the circumstances does sound very fishy. I just can't see a man shooting someone in the stomach in broad day light with witnesses for nothing. There is a lot more to this story that is not being told. Let's not jump the gun here.

By no means am I saying this guy didn't kill this guy in cold blood. I'm saying we reserve our convictions till we have more details. Was this guy given bail yesterday? That would be an indication of where this is leaning towards.
 
Draganchor said:
Was quite ***,
was returning from my BDay at the Round House, just wanting to pick up some supplies,
the area was sealed off, I guess a family member?? crying her eyes out, we skipped the stop but what a horrible reminder of our country.
jeez, I would give my left testicle if we could remove all weapons of mass death from this country.
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Then there would still be knobkieries, knifes, arson, necklacing tyres, steam irons (for ironing), poisons, etc. Removing guns would not make an iota difference.
 
Seriously said:
Then there would still be knobkieries, knifes, arson, necklacing tyres, steam irons (for ironing), poisons, etc. Removing guns would not make an iota difference.
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Dont forget halfbricks....

Humans have been killing each other since the beginning of time.

The weapons you want to remove arr not a physical objects but human traits that we will sadly never be rid off.
 
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