CapeXit 2

Poll is for all in South Africa -

  • Do you believe W/Cape secession from the Republic is feasible ?

    Votes: 28 34.1%

  • Would you support a bid for W/Cape to secede from the Republic ?

    Votes: 33 40.2%

  • In the event of secession being successful, would you consider migrating to W/Cape ?

    Votes: 23 28.0%

  • In the event of secession being successful, would you consider migrating out of W/Cape ?

    Votes: 3 3.7%

  • Would you support other provinces bids for secession ?

    Votes: 20 24.4%

  • I disagree to all questions

    Votes: 35 42.7%

  • Would you support a "Swiss Canton" style of governance for the Republic ?

    Votes: 24 29.3%
  • Total voters
    82
Status
Not open for further replies.
NoStepOnSnek88 said:
What is the most recent "AREA" for the Independent Cape?

Is it as simple as the entire Western Cape Province, or is it overlapping into parts of NC and EC Provinces?
Click to expand...
I suspect for any of this to get any traction they'd need to "gerrymander" what is and isn't included.
 
lexity said:
All seceded territories were successful.
Click to expand...
After referendums? Which ones specifically?
lexity said:
Perhaps you want a list of failed secession attempts i.e. groups that campaign but who efforts came to nothing and were forced to remain part of the motherland.
Click to expand...
No I want a real world example of where people held a referendum, voted so secede and achieved independance.
 
lexity said:
United States of America.

Perhaps not the result of a formal referendum(although I haven't yet done any research on that), but as far as successful secessions go, surely the most obvious example.

p.s. I hasten to add that this de facto success only extends to the first 80 years of USA history. At which point it can be argued that an effective reversal of the secession took place.
Click to expand...
The United States didn’t “secede” peacefully or legally. It achieved independence through war and the only actual attempt at formal secession was rejected as unconstitutional.
 
lexity said:
United States of America.

Perhaps not the result of a formal referendum(although I haven't yet done any research on that), but as far as successful secessions go, surely the most obvious example.

p.s. I hasten to add that this de facto success only extends to the first 80 years of USA history. At which point it can be argued that an effective reversal of the secession took place.
Click to expand...

I believe the English took exception to this succession, and a little debate, in the form of a war, took place? The French even got involved to support the dirty secessionists, iirc.

All lives lost were labeled as "non-complicating factors".
 
vigras rojara said:
The question was around successes, not attempts.

Carry on...
Click to expand...
Bangladesh however it was not "pretty", nor peaceful.

I didn't know and was unaware that Scotland had a referendum vote, very interesting.

The 2014 Independence Referendum

Date: 18 September 2014

Question: “Should Scotland be an independent country?”

Turnout: ~85% (very high for a democracy)

Result:

No: 55.3%

Yes: 44.7%

Significance:

Demonstrated a strong, democratic approach to secession.

Highlighted divisions: urban vs rural, older vs younger, economic concerns, EU membership, and oil revenues.
 
NoStepOnSnek88 said:
Bangladesh however it was not "pretty", nor peaceful.

I didn't know and was unaware that Scotland had a referendum vote, very interesting.

The 2014 Independence Referendum

Date: 18 September 2014

Question: “Should Scotland be an independent country?”

Turnout: ~85% (very high for a democracy)

Result:

No: 55.3%

Yes: 44.7%

Significance:

Demonstrated a strong, democratic approach to secession.

Highlighted divisions: urban vs rural, older vs younger, economic concerns, EU membership, and oil revenues.
Click to expand...
Most notably the referendum was held with the "blessing" of UK Parliament in order to have such. Scotland has no legal basis to hold a referendum unilaterally.
 
NoStepOnSnek88 said:
Bangladesh however it was not "pretty", nor peaceful.

I didn't know and was unaware that Scotland had a referendum vote, very interesting.

The 2014 Independence Referendum

Date: 18 September 2014

Question: “Should Scotland be an independent country?”

Turnout: ~85% (very high for a democracy)

Result:

No: 55.3%

Yes: 44.7%

Significance:

Demonstrated a strong, democratic approach to secession.

Highlighted divisions: urban vs rural, older vs younger, economic concerns, EU membership, and oil revenues.
Click to expand...

Scotland is an interesting case, but it's worth pointing out that much as it's part of the UK, it's a separate country anyway, with it's own parliament, first minister (prime minister equivalent) and different legal system.
 
vigras rojara said:
Scotland is an interesting case, but it's worth pointing out that much as it's part of the UK, it's a separate country anyway, with it's own parliament, first minister (prime minister equivalent) and different legal system.
Click to expand...
And their plans for a second referendum on the subject - denied. Valuable lesson if the WC choose to try get a one-off "blessing".
 
quovadis said:
Most notably the referendum was held with the "blessing" of UK Parliament in order to have such. Scotland has no legal basis to hold a referendum unilaterally.
Click to expand...


Would be interesting to see what the results would be if they (Scotland) had the vote today, 11 years later.
 
NoStepOnSnek88 said:
Would be interesting to see what the results would be if they (Scotland) had the vote today, 11 years later.
Click to expand...
They actually wanted to have a second. It was denied in 2022. Certainly there might be more support but that would probably have more to do with the impact of Brexit itself. Then again opinions on the EU vary.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top
Sign up to the MyBroadband newsletter
X