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[lexity]

2011 South Sudanese independence referendum

Yes, this is the first one that pops up when I asked chatGPT.

 

[lexity]

I believe the English took exception to this succession, and a little debate, in the form of a war, took place? The French even got involved to support the dirty secessionists, iirc.

All lives lost were labeled as "non-complicating factors".

Cray asked for examples of successful secessions(as opposed to successions) on the back of a referendum.

I'm not sure to what extent prior polling took place but obviously enough people felt strongly enough to overthrow an oppressive British military force.

They succeeded in seceding, clearly.

 

[vigras rojara]

Yes, this is the first one that pops up when I asked chatGPT.

I think a fact finding mission to Juba is on the cards for Phil.

 

[lexity]

@Cray it looks like there are at least a few successful independence movements that held a referendum.

So, what is the point of that question?

Was/is there a point to it?

 

[lexity]

@NoStepOnSnek88

Do you want to have a crack at this True/False question?

You responded to the previous one.

Please repost the question, I'll try it why not.

Ok.... here it is one more time....

True or False....?

"There was an internal UDF document, in which they said that the ultimate objective of the UDF was to liberate SAns from the voracious monster that is Capitalism but that this could not be disclosed to people because most SAns were pragmatic and it would limit the support that the UDF could gain."

You either know the answer or you don't but in either case, feel free to give you reasoning.

e.g. I really don't know but it's likely true with that degree of specificity (was Brian_G's answer).

Or: I suspect it's False because yada yada yada

 

[Cray]

@Cray it looks like there are at least a few successful independence movements that held a referendum.

So, what is the point of that question?

Was/is there a point to it?

The point was to see genuine , real world, examples of countries that have seceeded and to see how it worked out for them.

South Sudan and Eritrea are not very enouraging examples of things might go....

 

[vigras rojara]

 

[lexity]

The point was to see genuine , real world, examples of countries that have seceeded and to see how it worked out for them.

South Sudan and Eritrea are not very enouraging examples of things might go....

You never know, it may have turned out worse for them had they not seceded.

They could have been wiped out entirely by now.

 

[lexity]

^ The pretense of knowledge....... addiction to a paternalistic entity paying attention on your behalf, promising your best interests are at heart, comes with serious consequences.

 

[lexity]

You're proposing removing current freedom of movement from the majority of a country's population without their consent. You can't seem to understand that people might not be too keen on that.

So much for your precious FoA.

Vigras, do you understand the concept of mutual consent?

It's a requirement for the right to Freedom of Association to be respected.

If one party wants to associate, his right is limited by the other parties right.

So consent has to come from both/all parties.

Does it make more sense?

 

[vigras rojara]

Vigras, do you understand the concept of mutual consent?

It's a requirement for the right to Freedom of Association to be respected.

If one party wants to associate, his right is limited by the other parties right.

So consent has to come from both/all parties.

Does it make more sense?

I understand mutual consent very well. It's you who sadly doesn't, which is why you'd run roughshod over citizens' rights in order to establish your mythical independent Cape.

You don't give a damn about mutual consent.

 

[NoStepOnSnek88]

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Bangladesh 1971, however as said before not peaceful or "pretty"

The war resulted in a tragic loss of life, with estimates in Bangladesh of up to 3 million people killed and hundreds of thousands of women subjected to sexual violence. The 1971 war continues to shape Bangladesh's national identity and politics, with ongoing efforts to prosecute those who committed war crimes. The nation celebrates December 16th annually as Victory Day.

 

[quovadis]

You never know, it may have turned out worse for them had they not seceded.

They could have been wiped out entirely by now.

Look at you now reverting to imagined alternate timelines. Did you also consider the alternate timeline where the Referendum Party drafts the Declaration of Independence in Word, but forgets to turn off Track Changes, so the founding document of the new nation publicly displays 147 unresolved comments, a plan for an isolated Libertarian movement at Robben Island called Lexistan and one passive-aggressive note from someone called ‘Brian’.

 

[lexity]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1991160633933410707

 

[NoStepOnSnek88]

Ok.... here it is one more time....

True or False....?



You either know the answer or you don't but in either case, feel free to give you reasoning.

e.g. I really don't know but it's likely true with that degree of specificity (was Brian_G's answer).

Or: I suspect it's False because yada yada yada

I suspect it could be true, because of the vast diversity in the UDF, and there were / are some Socialists groups, supporters, stakeholders, factions, individuals etc connected to the UDF.

 

[lexity]

Look at you now reverting to imagined alternate timelines.

Yes, because the South Sudan people woke up one day and for no particular reason decided they might just try to become a new country tomorrow and declared independence. Then suddenly the violence started... /s



Have a look and you'll they were being systematically killed and bombed into oblivion, as a group of people.

 

[lexity]

I understand mutual consent very well. It's you who sadly doesn't, which is why you'd run roughshod over citizens' rights in order to establish your mythical independent Cape.

You don't give a damn about mutual consent.

Slowly now....

Do you need the voluntary consent of all members in the political union, called "South Africa", in order for that union to be legitimate?

 

[vigras rojara]

Yes, because the South Sudan people woke up one day and for no particular reason decided they might just try to become a new country tomorrow and declared independence. Then suddenly the violence started... /s



Have a look and you'll they were being systematically killed and bombed into oblivion, as a group of people.

So just like the Western Cape then...

 

[quovadis]

Yes, because the South Sudan people woke up one day and for no particular reason decided they might just try to become a new country tomorrow and declared independence. Then suddenly the violence started... /s



Have a look and you'll they were being systematically killed and bombed into oblivion, as a group of people.

Right - and by that same logic, the Western Cape is obviously one municipal billing error away from being ‘systematically bombed into oblivion’. /s

 

[lexity]

So just like the Western Cape then...

The point stands, they had to make a decision to stand up for themselves, by seceding, or being eradicated from the face of the earth.

Taking an historical view of South Sudan's route to independence doesn't start on independence day.

p.s. Reminder to self......Pinkos don't read history.