Carnivore diet

[jbrunevader]

On the Australian YouTube channel posted a few post back Noakes goes through this study. The big women's health one? If it is the same one.

Noakes does have a bit of a prosecution complex, I suppose justified, but annoying, makes him sound like a conspiracy theorist. But once you get past that it's pretty good.

It could be (not sure)... although it was only published now at the end of November 2021; but I'd imagine he'd have had earlier access to the unpublished results.

Agreed, I find equally Noakes informative; but if he isn't your cup of tea, then maybe try Paul Mason if you like an in-depth analysis. For a more simplified (and a more light hearted) discussion; I can suggest Dr. Shawn Baker of meatrx.com -- you can also find him on youtube and tiktok.

 

[Tim_vb]

I have followed the carnivore (beef, salt and water only) diet since mid 2018 and I can tell you that it changed my life completely curing me of lifelong depression, anxiety, gastric reflux (and associated snoring), inability to wake up in the mornings, psoriasis, gingivitis, floaters in my right eye, numbness on the sides of my legs, problems with mood regulation—all of it is gone!

I know it's the all beef diet that cured me of these maladies because a while back I had a single sip of cider and let me tell you I was overwhelmed by a sense of impending doom. I didn’t sleep that month for 25 days. I didn’t sleep at all for 25 days. I lay in bed frozen in something approximating terror for eight hours.

 

[jbrunevader]

I have followed the carnivore (beef, salt and water only) diet since mid 2018 and I can tell you that it changed my life completely curing me of lifelong depression, anxiety, gastric reflux (and associated snoring), inability to wake up in the mornings, psoriasis, gingivitis, floaters in my right eye, numbness on the sides of my legs, problems with mood regulation—all of it is gone!

That sounds a little too hectic tbh. Have you tried other meat options, e.g. pork, chicken, lamb, fish, ...
I've certainly never restricted myself to only beef, salt and water. A friend of my suffered from very bad psoriasis that wasn't even alleviated by steroids... but switching to carnivore also completely cleared it up.

I know it's the all beef diet that cured me of these maladies because a while back I had a single sip of cider and let me tell you I was overwhelmed by a sense of impending doom. I didn’t sleep that month for 25 days. I didn’t sleep at all for 25 days. I lay in bed frozen in something approximating terror for eight hours.

Whilst some are reported to have severe reactions to alcohol and infrequent consumption of carbs (incl. vegetables) -- I'm fortunate to not have this issue... it'll be tough to not be able to enjoy the occasional beer, cider, ...

I also find that my inflammatory issues (e.g. rheumatoid arthritis) only tend to flare up if I binge on any of that for more than a day or two -- and then my inflammatory response usually subsides after a week back on carnivore.

 

[Tim_vb]

I have followed the carnivore (beef, salt and water only) diet since mid 2018 and I can tell you that it changed my life completely curing me of lifelong depression, anxiety, gastric reflux (and associated snoring), inability to wake up in the mornings, psoriasis, gingivitis, floaters in my right eye, numbness on the sides of my legs, problems with mood regulation—all of it is gone!

I know it's the all beef diet that cured me of these maladies because a while back I had a single sip of cider and let me tell you I was overwhelmed by a sense of impending doom. I didn’t sleep that month for 25 days. I didn’t sleep at all for 25 days. I lay in bed frozen in something approximating terror for eight hours.

Sorry I got confused...this wasn't me I was just channeling Jordan Peterson before his life imploded due to his benzo and beef addiction.

Don't be a JP - eating a wide variety of fresh fruit and veg is essential to your physical and mental wellbeing as well as a sustainable lifestyle for all humanity on earth

 

[BBSA]

Sorry I got confused...this wasn't me I was just channeling Jordan Peterson before his life imploded due to his benzo and beef addiction.

Don't be a JP - eating a wide variety of fresh fruit and veg is essential to your physical and mental wellbeing as well as a sustainable lifestyle for all humanity on earth

 

[Tim_vb]

send me a link to the peer reviewed research paper and I'll comment

 

[Conack]

I have followed the carnivore (beef, salt and water only) diet since mid 2018 and I can tell you that it changed my life completely curing me of lifelong depression, anxiety, gastric reflux (and associated snoring), inability to wake up in the mornings, psoriasis, gingivitis, floaters in my right eye, numbness on the sides of my legs, problems with mood regulation—all of it is gone!

I know it's the all beef diet that cured me of these maladies because a while back I had a single sip of cider and let me tell you I was overwhelmed by a sense of impending doom. I didn’t sleep that month for 25 days. I didn’t sleep at all for 25 days. I lay in bed frozen in something approximating terror for eight hours.

Trolling.

If you don't want to bring anything constructive to the conversation then why bother posting blatant crap. We get it, you're a vegan/vaper.

No peer reviewed research papers for you.

 

[jbrunevader]

Sorry I got confused...this wasn't me I was just channeling Jordan Peterson before his life imploded due to his benzo and beef addiction.

Don't be a JP - eating a wide variety of fresh fruit and veg is essential to your physical and mental wellbeing as well as a sustainable lifestyle for all humanity on earth

Peterson's case is quite unique... his daughter's account is a lot worse re the arthritis (ankle, hip replacements)... either way their story is a positive one, with both positive outcomes... hardly counts as negative stories.

As for your closing assertions --- sorry, but you're wrong on all 3 counts.

Only reason why you can consume fresh fruit and vegetables all year round is because of global trade... how exactly did people eat this prior to global trade and how exactly did they stay far healthier than the majority of today's clinically obese carb addicts.

If fruits and vegetables are so healthy then explain lectins. Even livestock have issues with lectins, for example; livestock often die from polioencephalomalacia (PEM); plants vary their lectin loads to fend off attack e.g. overgrazing, grazing off season, etc... and some just don't like being eaten at all. Chronic inflammatory conditions such as what the Petersen's publicly shared is caused by lectins. Gout is another example of inflammatory response to lectins.

Example references on lectins:

• Lectins, Lectin Genes, and Their Role in Plant Defense
• Lectins: Another plant defense system wreaking havoc on your health?
• Red kidney bean toxins
• 7 Everyday Foods That Just Happen To Be Poisonous
• The Problem with Grains and Legumes

Ps. if you didn't know ricin; is a lectin... and don't try to prove me wrong by eating those seeds.

 

[jbrunevader]

Trolling.

If you don't want to bring anything constructive to the conversation then why bother posting blatant crap. We get it, you're a vegan/vaper.

No peer reviewed research papers for you.

Here's an opinion on vegans... they don't exist... real vegans would be dead if they adopted half of the BS they preach; and that doesn't even touch on how sick they'd be because of Vitamin B12 and iodine deficiencies.

I share his sentiment.

Also...

Farmer's view...

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[Tim_vb]

Thank you for all the links to white men yelling into the camera, I'm sure I'll watch them all one day when I have run out of content on the internet to watch.

This documentary inspired me to get jacked like an alpha gorilla and as you know gorillas are herbivorous so I switched my diet from the JP diet (beef salt and water - no cider) to a gorilla diet (vegetables, fruit and seeds)

 

[saor]

I share his sentiment.

Hopefully you're not as much of a chop. I've met very few vegans who would claim a complete unhinging from a food-chain that didn't involve killing animals. Their veganism is often just a step in the direction of reducing animal suffering / choosing not to kill animals for food. Pointing out a technicality like this is about as dumb as pointing out that nobody is a good person because people sometimes get angry.

 

[jbrunevader]

Hopefully you're not as much of a chop. I've met very few vegans who would claim a complete unhinging from a food-chain that didn't involve killing animals. Their veganism is often just a step in the direction of reducing animal suffering / choosing not to kill animals for food. Pointing out a technicality like this is about as dumb as pointing out that nobody is a good person because people sometimes get angry.

I love chops... does that count?

Veganism is a farce.. they're just dietary trolls who don't live up to their own BS. Simply said they have no clue about where food comes from; hence they bellow from their anus.

 

[saor]

I love chops... does that count?

Veganism is a farce.. they're just dietary trolls who don't live up to their own BS. Simply said they have no clue about where food comes from; hence they bellow from their anus.

Things aren't always binary or absolutes. Sometimes people just try to do something. Failing to do it perfectly doesn't mean the attempt is futile. Not really understanding the point of this pedantic finger pointing tbh.

 

[Tim_vb]

Things aren't always binary or absolutes. Sometimes people just try to do something. Failing to do it perfectly doesn't mean the attempt is futile. Not really understanding the point of this pedantic finger pointing tbh.

Agreed, I'm trying meat free Monday and I don't appreciate criticism from vegans. All viewpoints are equally valid when it comes to making up your own personal diet

 

[jbrunevader]

Hopefully you're not as much of a chop. I've met very few vegans who would claim a complete unhinging from a food-chain that didn't involve killing animals. Their veganism is often just a step in the direction of reducing animal suffering / choosing not to kill animals for food. Pointing out a technicality like this is about as dumb as pointing out that nobody is a good person because people sometimes get angry.

Shall we ignore the poop evidence then? Sound a lot like vegans... "they don't eat animals / animal products"; if you believe the BS. You know they'd fail their stool tests; just like the "vegan" gorillas did.

First Proof Gorillas Eat Monkeys?

But a recent study found DNA from monkeys and small forest antelopes called duikers in the feces of wild African western lowland gorillas in Loango National Park in Gabon.

Do Gorillas Eat Meat for their Protein?

Gorillas can eat meat but rarely do
Oriola eats 40 pounds or more a day of yields, plants, and insects. Tests have found occasional evidence of meat, but it could be that they were feeding on insects and the meat was just an extra.
ases that we do on the Western diet. Heart disease, hypertension diabetes and all that. But it is not heard in the wild.

Ps. are bugs vegetable or meat? The mere fact that they eat vegetation and contain vitamin B12 and iodine; would imply they're more meat than vegetable -- because no vegetable or fruit produces and hence contains either nutrient.

Simple fact; to not die... Gorillas would have to get vitamin B12 and iodine from somewhere other than fruit and veg i.e. from loads of bugs, and the occasional monkey, antelope or any other tasty critter than conveniently crossed its path.

Also...

Can we eat like a gorilla? The Gorilla Diet allows us to survive but I do not believe it is the most beneficial diet for humans. At the same time, the diet that most cultures currently eat is dangerous to our health and the health of our planet. Obesity rates and chronic diseases are rampant.

Obesity rates are rampant because mass production has allowed humans to eat stuff we wouldn't be able to naturally consume in nature. Vegans cannot survive without mass production and without heavily processed garbage.

Also there are no obese carnivores.

 

[jbrunevader]

Things aren't always binary or absolutes. Sometimes people just try to do something. Failing to do it perfectly doesn't mean the attempt is futile. Not really understanding the point of this pedantic finger pointing tbh.

I'd agree if you could point out the fruit or vegetable that naturally provides them with vitamin B12 and iodine as a start. There are a few other nutrients that they'd also be deficient in; but absence of those two would quickly render a strict vegan critically ill.

Ps. don't point to pills; because that just proves that veganism is unsustainable without mass production; + I'd also ask you to check your facts; because pill supplementation is not enough (vitamins / nutrients are on average not readily absorbed); hence they'd still end up critically ill.

Now if you're wondering why mass production is such a no go... then ask yourself what industries are vegan types typically attacking... + the sustainable off grid lifestyles that'd often popularly promoted is by default antithetical to mass production, and hence pill popping.

 

[C4Cat]

Shall we ignore the poop evidence then? Sound a lot like vegans... "they don't eat animals / animal products"; if you believe the BS. You know they'd fail their stool tests; just like the "vegan" gorillas did.

First Proof Gorillas Eat Monkeys?


Do Gorillas Eat Meat for their Protein?


Ps. are bugs vegetable or meat? The mere fact that they eat vegetation and contain vitamin B12 and iodine; would imply they're more meat than vegetable -- because no vegetable or fruit produces and hence contains either nutrient.

Simple fact; to not die... Gorillas would have to get vitamin B12 and iodine from somewhere other than fruit and veg i.e. from loads of bugs, and the occasional monkey, antelope or any other tasty critter than conveniently crossed its path.

Also...

Obesity rates are rampant because mass production has allowed humans to eat stuff we wouldn't be able to naturally consume in nature. Vegans cannot survive without mass production and without heavily processed garbage.

Also there are no obese carnivores.

Why are you so triggered by vegans? How does it affect your life? I'm sure you don't appreciate people telling you what an ******* you are for murdering baby animals, it's none of their business what you choose to eat. If someone wants to eat vegan to reduce the harm and cruelty involved with eating meat, that is none of your business.

 

[saor]

I'd agree if you could point out the fruit or vegetable that naturally provides them with vitamin B12 and iodine as a start. There are a few other nutrients that they'd also be deficient in; but absence of those two would quickly render a strict vegan critically ill.

Ps. don't point to pills; because that just proves that veganism is unsustainable without mass production; + I'd also ask you to check your facts; because pill supplementation is not enough (vitamins / nutrients are on average not readily absorbed); hence they'd still end up critically ill.

Now if you're wondering why mass product is such a no go... then ask yourself what industries are vegan types typically attacking... + the sustainable off grid lifestyles that popularly promoted is by default antithetical to mass production.

You're barking up the wrong tree. Again - most vegans are trying to reduce animal suffering...they're not saying "THIS IS THE MOST BESTEST OPTIMAL DIET". Ja, there's some annoying vegans just like there's some annoying meat eaters but jeez, you're really going out of your way to make an enemy out of a group of people who are trying to make things better in a way they think works for them. I'm not going to defend veganism, but I will push back against your incomprehensible attempt at turning them into an enemy for reasons pedantic.

This is also the carnivore thread so **** knows why we're debating veganism.

 

[jbrunevader]

Agreed, I'm trying meat free Monday and I don't appreciate criticism from vegans. All viewpoints are equally valid when it comes to making up your own personal diet

I have no problem with what you choose to eat or not...
Maybe you should try to adopt the same approach... i.e. don't troll on dietary threads that are not in line with your preferred meal options.

 

[jbrunevader]

Why are you so triggered by vegans? How does it affect your life? I'm sure you don't appreciate people telling you what an ******* you are for murdering baby animals, it's none of their business what you choose to eat. If someone wants to eat vegan to reduce the harm and cruelty involved with eating meat, that is none of your business.

Did you miss this post? Clear case of trolling.

I have followed the carnivore (beef, salt and water only) diet since mid 2018 and I can tell you that it changed my life completely curing me of lifelong depression, anxiety, gastric reflux (and associated snoring), inability to wake up in the mornings, psoriasis, gingivitis, floaters in my right eye, numbness on the sides of my legs, problems with mood regulation—all of it is gone!

I know it's the all beef diet that cured me of these maladies because a while back I had a single sip of cider and let me tell you I was overwhelmed by a sense of impending doom. I didn’t sleep that month for 25 days. I didn’t sleep at all for 25 days. I lay in bed frozen in something approximating terror for eight hours.

Plus what the **** are vegans and vegetarians doing anyway on a carnivore thread; except to troll and elicit a negative response. It's not as if they're going to convince any carnivores to follow their BS.