Cell C is lying about MTRs: Vodacom, MTN

At the end of the day WTF is MTN trying to achieve here ??
Is it that they are the good guys ? , thats not going to work .
The more this drags out the worse MTN is going to look.
The consumer wants lower rates , period .
 
To the breeders of the OOBShark, to the creators of the finely-complicated rates structures, to the zoners, to the asterisk, to the fine print monkeys...


...why the fück would we believe you over cell c? The history of dishonesty lies in the yellow and the red...
 
RazedInBlack said:
Mud slinging contest!
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It is. This year's conference, we should corner reps from all 4 and make them spew it out in public, where they are on the spot and have to shoot from the hip, without the option to filter via a spin doctor. Then the truth shall indeed set them free.
 
Looking at ICASA's past performance and competency the below has me scared

“The bottom line is that ICASA did not, as a matter of fact, request MTN to produce any internal cost data to support its rate setting.”
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Not knowing how important that is in determining,BUT,damn well knowing that I want lower prices and that's a fact.
 
GreGorGy said:
It is. This year's conference, we should corner reps from all 4 and make them spew it out in public, where they are on the spot and have to shoot from the hip, without the option to filter via a spin doctor. Then the truth shall indeed set them free.
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Excellent suggestion. :D

Water guns/paintball guns? :D
 
What are they really fighting for ?......................

The_Librarian said:
Red and Yellow's more concerned about their profits than anything else.
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What are they really fighting for ?......................

Revenues of R13 Billion Vodacom Less - R500 Million for Termination Charges
Revenues of R15 Billion MTN - Less - R700 Million for Termination Charges

This R1.2 Billion to be Paid over to Telkom Mobile & Cell-C for 3 years.

They not happy because :

1. They want to win everytime and never lose a cent.
2. When we get to 2015 they cannot compete on price if (and I am dreaming here ) if call rates come down to 50c per minute.
3. Their Other African operations where voice is everything may come under the same pressure as African Governments look to South Africa and follow suit.
4. Huge churn numbers and migrations over to Cell-c / Telkom-Mobile.
5. A very competitive Mobile Landscape where after Call / Data / Sms rates are flattened the shift moves to the actual services and the value add. They charge for everything now how will they offer it for free ?
 
I think many people are missing the point.

Vodacom/MTN are not fighting lower termination rates. They are fighting the asymmetrical rates that would keep termination rates for Vodacom/MTN customers high when calling Cell C and Telkom numbers.

Vodacom even recommended that the rates reduce symmetrically in the interim while the matter is being decided:
http://mybroadband.co.za/news/telecoms/97611-vodacom-institutes-legal-action-against-icasa.html

The plan is for a 300% asymmetrical rate so Vodacom and MTN will not be able to pass on the same reduction in rates as Cell C and Telkom.
I don't believe asymmetrical rates are a bad thing, but 300% is a bit excessive...
 
they're all lying surely?
would be so nice to have a consumer lobby worth the name in SA which is able to speak for itself and not have its interests appropriated by mobile networks, multichoices and ministers,,,,
 
DXL said:
What are they really fighting for ?......................

Revenues of R13 Billion Vodacom Less - R500 Million for Termination Charges
Revenues of R15 Billion MTN - Less - R700 Million for Termination Charges

This R1.2 Billion to be Paid over to Telkom Mobile & Cell-C for 3 years.

They not happy because :

1. They want to win everytime and never lose a cent.
2. When we get to 2015 they cannot compete on price if (and I am dreaming here ) if call rates come down to 50c per minute.
3. Their Other African operations where voice is everything may come under the same pressure as African Governments look to South Africa and follow suit.
4. Huge churn numbers and migrations over to Cell-c / Telkom-Mobile.
5. A very competitive Mobile Landscape where after Call / Data / Sms rates are flattened the shift moves to the actual services and the value add. They charge for everything now how will they offer it for free ?
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Don't be daft, why would they have to pay 1.2billion to cell c and TM? How'd you come up with that useless calculation?

How are Vodacom and MTN not able to compete on price if and when they WANT to?

Huge churn numbers like? Mass migration? Lol will never happen.

If it comes down to actual service you do understand that Vodacom and MTN services get better? Lower volumes to service?
It won't happen but if it does, Vodacom and MTN know how to service 20mill+ customers, the other two don't.

You just trolling.
Q Allins useless post...
 
me_ said:
The plan is for a 300% asymmetrical rate so Vodacom and MTN will not be able to pass on the same reduction in rates as Cell C and Telkom.
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What percentage of Vodacom and MTN's calls are terminated on their own networks or between themselves vs terminated on Cell C or TM?

Gulio said:
It won't happen but if it does, Vodacom and MTN know how to service 20mill+ customers, the other two don't.
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Really? Because they haven't show any sign of that to date.
 
icyrus said:
What percentage of Vodacom and MTN's calls are terminated on their own networks or between themselves vs terminated on Cell C or TM?



Really? Because they haven't show any sign of that to date.
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Have you heard of 40 million complaints?
Service levels are good, just good. I had a good experience with my upgrade in December, they called me when the 5S came out, sim swap went off as they said it would, LTE activations and and and. Took about 30 minutes, about 10 of us just there for iPhones.
 
dominic said:
they're all lying surely?
would be so nice to have a consumer lobby worth the name in SA which is able to speak for itself and not have its interests appropriated by mobile networks, multichoices and ministers,,,,
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A great idea. South African's seem quite apathetic though. It would be easy for organised lobbyists to run passive boycotts or protest campaigns, but not easy to get people to go along with them.
 
Gulio said:
Don't be daft, why would they have to pay 1.2billion to cell c and TM? How'd you come up with that useless calculation?

How are Vodacom and MTN not able to compete on price if and when they WANT to?

Huge churn numbers like? Mass migration? Lol will never happen.

If it comes down to actual service you do understand that Vodacom and MTN services get better? Lower volumes to service?
It won't happen but if it does, Vodacom and MTN know how to service 20mill+ customers, the other two don't.

You just trolling.
Q Allins useless post...
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Clearly you dont keep up with technology news.
Cell-c have publicly stated 5% of calls orignated on vosa &mtn actually terminate on cellc or tm if vodacom carried 50 billion minutes across its network and you take 5% of that figure you are left with 2.5 billion minutes and multiply that by 40c = R1billion rand less incoming revenue of 500 million net payment = 500 million

Now do the similar for mtn.
On my work contract on mtn we pay R2-50 a minute for voice calls.

The 3rd year termination rate is 44c for mtn & vodacom if cellc or tm offered calls at 50c per minute how can they compete with 6c profit.

From R2-50 to 6c ..................per minute profit
I dont think so.
Are you aware that mtn charges for sms delivery notice ?
People are moving to cheaper networks and time will tell ask mtn's group sifiso dawbenga what happens when you dont react to market forces
 
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