Charting Fibre speed over time.

[PBCool]

Networks work via transit and peering. Typical reseller ISPs don't own a network but rather resell another ISP's network. An example of this is Internet Solutions resellers: Web Africa, OpenWeb, Crystal Web, Connection, PluGG.

ISPs such as CISP, Afrihost and Vox own IP ranges, have hardware in datacentres and have what is called transit. Any good ISP has transit from multiple network operators such as IS, HE, Cogent etc.

CISP owns their own network. They do not use any "backbone" or other terms you may be used to seeing when dealing with DSL resellers. I applaud Paul for being so transparent with their network and company when others won't even disclose their network utilization graphs.

Paul, if I ever come passed the office the drinks are on me.

Our "downstairs" is Foundry for the most part, drinks are on us

 

[PBCool]

What does that mean ?

Do you have your own fiber running all over South Africa? You dont sit on Neotel or any other fibre carrier ?

Nope this means we lease certain portions from providers that run nationally, which even Neotel would do. There are quite a few that have national backhaul. I come back to the question of if you would like to be an ISP you can?

 

[PBCool]

I would agree with best effort if my payment was also best effort. If the 2 are linked then it is fair.
But if I pay the full price then I should get the full service.

Not quite if you were to pay for a business service which has guarantees you would pay a substantial amount more. To get a service which is 90% consistent and pay a fraction, is it not reasonable. Hence a best effort service.

 

[jacof]

Not quite if you were to pay for a business service which has guarantees you would pay a substantial amount more. To get a service which is 90% consistent and pay a fraction, is it not reasonable. Hence a best effort service.

So what is the cost for 100% service then? I could not find it where it states that Fibre is a best effort service. Do you have that on your web site ?

 

[jacof]

Here are my download speeds when on VOX if the line is idle.

I am not sure what was going on on gfmalan's network. My network was idle in that time.

 

[jacof]

Nope this means we lease certain portions from providers that run nationally, which even Neotel would do. There are quite a few that have national backhaul. I come back to the question of if you would like to be an ISP you can?

So you do not own the fibre you run on. You also lease it from other providers. You manage the bandwidth correct?
Nope I build systems that sit on the network at this stage ;-)

 

[PBCool]

So you do not own the fibre you run on. You also lease it from other providers. You manage the bandwidth correct?
Nope I build systems that sit on the network at this stage ;-)

Yeap there are only a handful that have national carrier, Telkom, Fibreco, BBI and Neotel. So everyone gets the capacity from one of them if they want national.

 

[PBCool]

So what is the cost for 100% service then? I could not find it where it states that Fibre is a best effort service. Do you have that on your web site ?

The best effort part is from the layer2/ fibre operator. You can get a DFA service starting at R3800 per month for 5Mbps and it's a 24 month contract as an example.

 

[gfmalan]

Here are my download speeds when on VOX if the line is idle.

I am not sure what was going on on gfmalan's network. My network was idle in that time.

Nothing, were out till 14:00.

 

[jacof]

Nothing, were out till 14:00.

@gfmalan the only thing left is for you to also test with a VOX account and see if your link goes stable.

 

[PBCool]

@gfmalan the only thing left is for you to also test with a VOX account and see if your link goes stable.

Are your tests both to the same server?

 

[jacof]

Are your tests both to the same server?

My test are done using the best server via ping. gfmala is testing to your server in Randburg.

 

[PBCool]

My test are done using the best server via ping. gfmala is testing to your server in Randburg.

Yeah so another test to try doing it to the same server, as well as make sure they are both local servers. IE if you are in JHB then test to a JHB server. gfmalan is in Cape Town right?

 

[jacof]

Yeah so another test to try doing it to the same server, as well as make sure they are both local servers. IE if you are in JHB then test to a JHB server. gfmalan is in Cape Town right?

All the other pervious test have been like that using the same server. Only test we have not done it to move gfmalan to VOX and do all the tests again to see if he has the same results I see.

 

[PBCool]

All the other pervious test have been like that using the same server. Only test we have not done it to move gfmalan to VOX and do all the tests again to see if he has the same results I see.

I am confused I thought the current graph is via different servers and you are testing to a Johannesburg server from Johannesburg and gfmalan Cape Town to Johannesburg? As I've mentioned you can't just switch accounts on other operators like with OS.

 

[jacof]

I am confused I thought the current graph is via different servers and you are testing to a Johannesburg server from Johannesburg and gfmalan Cape Town to Johannesburg? As I've mentioned you can't just switch accounts on other operators like with OS.

When coop was testing with us we had 3 sites all pointing to your test server in Randburg on your network using deffrent carriers. I am done testing. I have found a ISP that is stable for me. There was a request for me to test for another 12 hours using VOX. Its up to gfmalan I guess if he wants to move to VOX and see if his fibre link is more stable.

 

[PBCool]

When coop was testing with us we had 3 sites all pointing to your test server in Randburg on your network using deffrent carriers. I am done testing. I have found a ISP that is stable for me. There was a request for me to test for another 12 hours using VOX. Its up to gfmalan I guess if he wants to move to VOX and see if his fibre link is more stable.

Your current two graphs aren't relative though is what I am saying, you are testing one nationally and another locally.

 

[jacof]

Your current two graphs aren't relative though is what I am saying, you are testing one nationally and another locally.

They are relevant. I was testing using VOX ISP to a local server in Pretoria (Cell C) and I am in Pretoria. gfmalan was testing on your network to your server. You don't have a test server in Cape Town for him to test against. My fibre is stable and gfmalan's is not as he stated he was out till 14:00.

 

[PBCool]

They are relevant. I was testing using VOX ISP to a local server in Pretoria (Cell C) and I am in Pretoria. gfmalan was testing on your network to your server. You don't have a test server in Cape Town for him to test against. My fibre is stable and gfmalan's is not as he stated he was out till 14:00.

You are testing a local server in the same metro, <100Km vs gfmalan is testing from Cape Town to Johannesburg where the route is over 1500Km, these are very different conditions. And so not relative at all, change his to best latency as well and graph both connections.

 

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I'm going step in here before a fight breaks out since I was the one who asked jaco for the vox test.

The last graph for me wasn't about testing Gfmalan's line vs Jaco's vox line. It was looking at how stable Jaco's line was on VOX vs his line on the old graph. Assuming Jaco tested his line to the same server in both graphs the graph is valid. At least for my purposes. All I wanted to see was the change in Jaco's line.