Charting Fibre speed over time.

Orihalcon

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I may have missed it earlier in the thread - but how are you chopping and changing accounts?

Far as I can see WA and VOX both require you to "migrate" to them and buy a bundled service before they'll sell you their "fibre" data packages. Or am I misunderstanding the situation?

The fibre is just the infrastructure.

Once you have the infrastructure and they are open source you can run whatever ISP account you want on it.

There are differences though. Example Telkom Fibre does not offer symmetrical packages while Vumatel does. You just need the line installed. Then you can chop and change as you please.
 

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That's news to me. A VOX rep I spoke to on live chat went so far as to say their normal fatpipe accounts are "not compatible" with fibre. I actually have two of the promo 400GB Fatpipe accounts from back in the day with a metric ton of rollover data, but was told they would not work on Fibre, nevermind at 100mbps.

Are people just buying a line separately and using ADSL accounts successfully?

(apologies for derailing the thread somewhat)

For the most part, yes :)
 

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That is some pretty insidious misinformation being spread by the ISPs, for the sole purpose of locking you in with them. Wow. I'm glad I haven't pulled the trigger on one yet.

I don't see any "line only" packages on offer however - are there companies that do this?
 

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I don't see any "line only" packages on offer however - are there companies that do this?

Not wanting to derail this thread further but generally speaking... I am against this whole ISP "line rental" thing completely...

How can any ISP, charge you for the management of a "line" when:
1) They don't owe it (i.e. you pay company X for something which company X does not owe);
2) They have (virtually) zero control over it;
3) They have (virtually) zero insight over it;

Even FTTx players, have absolutely zero control over the last mile, yet, the ISP should be responsible for it? I don't get that. It's placing a burden on the ISP not so much financially (because the cost is recouped) but in terms of resources and support. Telkom (OpenServe), Vuma, etc. is the line supplier, they should bill and support the last mile... Or, am I missing something?

It's very interesting to know that there's no distinction between xDSL and FTTx on OpenServe too. Whilst more than likely not that important on capped accounts (bytes is bytes, irrespective on the medium used) the picture changes significantly on uncapped between xDSL and FTTx (even if rate limiting is applied). I personally doubt I will ever touch IPC terms of reselling...
 

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I'm using a VOX fatpipe promo from back in the day with loads of data with my shiny new fiber connection without a problem.

I had to buy a 100gig "fiber fatpipe" data bundle from VOX to get the fiber line rental from them however because they didn't want to sell me the line rental as a stand alone.

When I told the VOX rep what I was going to do he didn't deny that I couldn't use the ADSL fatpipe, but he didn't want to admit I could either. They have obviously been told to keep quiet about it...
 

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Not wanting to derail this thread further but generally speaking... I am against this whole ISP "line rental" thing completely...

How can any ISP, charge you for the management of a "line" when:
1) They don't owe it (i.e. you pay company X for something which company X does not owe);
2) They have (virtually) zero control over it;
3) They have (virtually) zero insight over it;

Even FTTx players, have absolutely zero control over the last mile, yet, the ISP should be responsible for it? I don't get that. It's placing a burden on the ISP not so much financially (because the cost is recouped) but in terms of resources and support. Telkom (OpenServe), Vuma, etc. is the line supplier, they should bill and support the last mile... Or, am I missing something?

It's very interesting to know that there's no distinction between xDSL and FTTx on OpenServe too. Whilst more than likely not that important on capped accounts (bytes is bytes, irrespective on the medium used) the picture changes significantly on uncapped between xDSL and FTTx (even if rate limiting is applied). I personally doubt I will ever touch IPC terms of reselling...

What's even more outrageous is the markup they charge on the Openserve installation costs, and the various extras they find to charge you for under "setup and installation" if you don't sign a lengthy contract with them.
 

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I'm using a VOX fatpipe promo from back in the day with loads of data with my shiny new fiber connection without a problem.

I had to buy a 100gig "fiber fatpipe" data bundle from VOX to get the fiber line rental from them however because they didn't want to sell me the line rental as a stand alone.

When I told the VOX rep what I was going to do he didn't deny that I couldn't use the ADSL fatpipe, but he didn't want to admit I could either. They have obviously been told to keep quiet about it...

That's exactly the situation I'd be in, except VOX have been staunchly denying that I could use my Fatpipe on Openserve fibre at all. Also VOX's setup costs are insane - R3800? Yowza.

Can I ask what line speed you're at?
 

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I am on 40 meg. No problems - speed or otherwise (so far). I think the install cost is around 2.8k .
 
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That's news to me. A VOX rep I spoke to on live chat went so far as to say their normal fatpipe accounts are "not compatible" with fibre. I actually have two of the promo 400GB Fatpipe accounts from back in the day with a metric ton of rollover data, but was told they would not work on Fibre, nevermind at 100mbps.

Are people just buying a line separately and using ADSL accounts successfully?

(apologies for derailing the thread somewhat)
Send me your account details and I'll confirm for you ;)
 

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I was also told you had to swap the OTN out. But as stated that is not the case. You can use any PPPoE account details and configure your router to connect to that network. But as cavedog stated make sure about the speed.

My WebAfrica account has 2 line items. 1 for the line and 1 for the data. I canceled the data part now.

I must say Openserve has been very helpful. They have been to my house 3 times to prove it is not the fibre. I got this email this morning.

Good Morning Jaco…



Will be checking in during the course of the day with you if you were contacted as yet.



As for your predicament I thought it beneficial to share the following thread with you of clients experiencing the exact same on a completely different Access Infrastructure Provider’s Network:



https://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/826283-Fibre-speed-issues



Openserve often view these threads and many of the statements made relating to GPONs/OLTs/Backhauls are misunderstood or complete misinformation being shared. We are understandably not permitted to engage in these forums due to a myriad of very valid reasons. I can however share that our systems, backhauls and capacity are continuously monitored and we commit to a utilization % far below 100% to be reached and then to action capacity upgrades on both uplinks as well as Core capacity. This means that long before congestion sets in, the network is adjusted by mere clicks of a few buttons as the current backhaul technology is extremely flexible to adjust and increase without replacing any physical hardware.



Openserve is gearing for Class B+ fibre which enables XGPON – the Class C Fibres SFPs can provide the 2.4Gbps down and 1.24Gbps up, however Class B+ can do much more than that and commit to 10Gbps speeds. Current OLT systems have a 3.2Tbps aggregated backplane capacity and very powerful control boards which can even do load sharing, however we have not come close to exceeding 20% of one board’s capacity in any of our most busiest GPON sites as yet.



So, if any 3rd party claim congestion on these GPON platforms and most copper ADSL/VDSL sites to be a possible cause, then that claim is highly unlikely. As you have proven by the use of different ISPs it is clear that these issues rarely pertain to infrastructure. We as Openserve started the Broadband evolution when we were still under the Telkom banner with older ATM links and here we soon realised capacity constraints – this has been rectified and upgraded for many years already with newer technologies being introduced.



Our monitoring tools are state of the art and we can accurately view the performance of any link, be it from customer premises, access element within the exchange domain to backhaul connecting to the BNG and handing over to the client’s ISP. We are even able to tell you if you switched our ONT off/on and when as well. Our network is built for future capacity and growth and far outstretches the current demand of ALL subscribers connected to it, so you will be assured of capacity availability for a FULL broadband experience on our network and never have to consider things like contention ratios as our methodology is based on actual demand by the clients connected to our network and adapting accordingly to meet the entire demand and not just a % of that which pertains to contention.



If you have any question or further need clarity, please feel free to ask.



Wishing you a pleasant Friday and weekend further.



Kindest Regards
 
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jacof

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I got the test account from Cool Ideas, thanks for that @PBCool. I have started the testing and will let it run for today and tomorrow and will report back what I see.

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Something interesting has happened in the Cool Ideas test account.

My geo location changed around 11:25. Now the IP shows I am in Cape Town but I am in Pretoria.
And then the ping went slower and the download also dropped as I am now sending data to Cape Town.

I can force the server to test against. Will do that for now. Why would my IP show as Cape Town? Cool Ideas say they don't control it.

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That doesn't look like an IS IP address though?
My traceroute [v0.87]
Packets Pings
Host Loss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst StDev
1. hzndgwexdmvi.hosted.co.za 0.0% 13 1.4 1.1 0.6 2.5 0.4
2. 100.100.100.1 0.0% 13 0.8 1.3 0.5 7.3 1.7
3. 169-1-21-4.ip.afrihost.co.za 0.0% 13 3.1 2.1 1.4 3.9 0.5
4. 169-1-5-76.ip.afrihost.co.za 0.0% 13 1.6 2.8 1.4 16.4 4.1
5. coolideas.ixp.joburg 0.0% 13 1.8 1.5 1.2 1.9 0.0
6. 154.0.2.38 0.0% 13 1.5 1.7 1.4 2.5 0.0
7. ???
8. 155.93.209.65 0.0% 12 4.0 4.3 4.0 4.8 0.0
9. 155.93.209.72 0.0% 12 4.8 5.9 4.7 10.3 1.5
Trace from my afrihost server shows that it crosses over from Afrihost's network directly onto Cool Ideas's network at Joburg IXP, so where does IS fit into this ?
 

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Forcing the test server has fixed the speed issue to Cape Town LOL.

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Just got a call from senior WebAfrica Technical team. It has been escilated to them as a urgent case. I also got the ICASA consumer complaint case number. Turning out to be a good Friday.
 
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Just got a call from senior WebAfrica Technical team. It has been escilated to them as a urgent case. I also got the ICASA consumer complaint case number. Turing out to be a good Friday.

Not for others by the looks of things :D
 
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