Chiropractor

[Johnatan56]

Thats because its unheard of... go on, find a few examples to prove this point? I havent found any, especially in recent years.

Spinal subluxation treatment via adjustments can be good for people, is good for people. You cant actually deny this. Maybe as mentioned above, you are against some other things they may have been known to do, but in 99% of the cases subluxation applies and chiro helps with this.

I mean if we were to go on about quack psuedo science... why do Medical doctors kill more people than any other similar field? Oh yes, lets ply with foreign chemicals and hope to kill off the problem.. Yes lets compare this to something that treats the body without medicine and claim that profession is the bad one. It has its place, as with medical doctors, but dont be so ignorant as to think that 'True' doctors are innocent from misdiagnosis, incorrect treatment and unnecessary deaths of their patients, every year.

The difference is that proper doctors spent years studying properly relevant material, finished stints in hospitals, lots specialized into a certain subcategory and all of them need to document what it is they are doing and why. You can prove what they did helped or failed and you can repeat it with anyone who is similar.

A chiropractor doesn't really document, takes best guesses on what the problem is and there is no proof that what they do actually helps. There are more cases of them actually making the problem worse/causing an actual problem.

 

[Surv0]

The difference is that proper doctors spent years studying properly relevant material, finished stints in hospitals, lots specialized into a certain subcategory and all of them need to document what it is they are doing and why. You can prove what they did helped or failed and you can repeat it with anyone who is similar.

A chiropractor doesn't really document, takes best guesses on what the problem is and there is no proof that what they do actually helps. There are more cases of them actually making the problem worse/causing an actual problem.

I was referring specifically to his comments about deaths... it must be applied across the board regardless of training/education.

And in my experience, every chiro ive seen has documented everything they do, assess my entire body, posture, stance etc, question my general ergonomics at home/work and dont try fix the problem in one go.

Ive got a hip alignment issue, partly due to many factors and well I dont have time to be a fitness addict unfortunately. My one leg is slightly shorter than the other as a result and chiro corrects this for me.

Chiro can potentially make things worse if the patient gives them incorrect information like going in with a herniated disc. If the chiro doesnt know about this, and they could make it a bit worse. But if known, they definitely wont. So as much as they can do harm, its up to the patient to be informed and we all know how ignorant most people actually are.

 

[GoB]

Hi, been suffering with lower back pain, side of my back going down into my leg, for ages now

How long is ages? If it was an injury you need to relax for 2 months to let it heal.

I've been through ~6 months of neck pain before.

Chiro manipulation caused new levels of discomfort, weakness and problems like crackling in my neck which seem to have subsided only 4 years later... but I'm definitely worse off than before.

So be careful what advice you listen to... most success cases I suspect had no major issue to start with.

Currently I have a lower back injury - physio manipulation causes worse nerve pain.
Could also be misdiagnosis.
But based on my experiences, I'll probably be fine in another month of taking it easy by going for walks and avoiding the same position for too long.

 

[newby_investor]

How long is ages? If it was an injury you need to relax for 2 months to let it heal.

I've been through ~6 months of neck pain before.

Chiro manipulation caused new levels of discomfort, weakness and problems like crackling in my neck which seem to have subsided only 4 years later... but I'm definitely worse off than before.

So be careful what advice you listen to... most success cases I suspect had no major issue to start with.

Currently I have a lower back injury - physio manipulation causes worse nerve pain.
Could also be misdiagnosis.
But based on my experiences, I'll probably be fine in another month of taking it easy by going for walks and avoiding the same position for too long.

This is the thing. A lot of people who go to Chiropractors are those who are desperate because other kinds of treatments haven't helped.

The placebo effect is also a thing. This is why as much as one guy may swear by chiropractic, it's not useful scientific evidence and has no bearing on whether or not the treatment would work on another person.

 

[dielaksman]

You need a DBC (Document based care) centre.
http://dbcsa.co.za/

I had chronic back since forever, minor scoliosis.
They first do an assesment, then put you on a program.
They have specialised machines to strengthen certain areas of your back for support.
They first start with these exercises and then perform physiotherapy in one session
They accept most medical aids and I havent spent a cent and completed the entire program.
However I went in twice a week for six weeks and then again once a month for six months

After two years since treatment , I have had no issues, but it seems I need to go back as I have havent been doing the exercises they prescribed
I went for treatment at (I prefer the Cape Town branch)

Dr Lienka Botha and Partners
CAPE TOWN CENTRE404A, 4th Floor, Harrington House
37 Barrack Street
Cape Town
8000
021 461 2457
086 230 1074
[email protected]

Dr Lienka Botha and Partners
NORTHERN SUBURBS CENTRE
Unit 5
19 Pasita Street
Bellville
7550
021 914 2301
021 914 1970 [email protected]

Thanks, this also looks like a great option! Also great that they accept medical aids.

 

[Scary_Turtle]

The difference is that proper doctors spent years studying properly relevant material, finished stints in hospitals, lots specialized into a certain subcategory and all of them need to document what it is they are doing and why. You can prove what they did helped or failed and you can repeat it with anyone who is similar.

A chiropractor doesn't really document, takes best guesses on what the problem is and there is no proof that what they do actually helps. There are more cases of them actually making the problem worse/causing an actual problem.

Before the chiro I went to would help me he wanted x-rays of my hips and I have a file of every visit to the chiro just like a doctor.

When it comes to proof I've had times where I couldn't even drive to the chiro and had to lean on someone to walk me to his office while being on heavy pain killers. After treatment I can run down the stairs and all pain is gone for months/years.

When my hips displace and I lie straight down on a bed you can see one foot is higher then the other after treatment both are perfectly aligned.

Doctors, physio's, orthopods and bios have all said they cant help I need to go to a chiro.

 

[Scary_Turtle]

And you don't know how science works, anecdotal evidence isn't scientific. Just because it possibly worked for you, doesn't mean it's actually a valid source of relief. Chiros do not have their place, they are akin to homeopaths and other quacks.
But if you're happy to constantly see one to "fix" your back go for it. Rather then actually trying to find the real problems. Not to mention that the chiro might actually be causing the issues in the first place if you've got to go to the constantly.

I recently went to the chiro because I had hurt my arm and I thought it was linked to my condition, he took a look at me and said there was nothing he could do I must go the the hospital. He also said it is probably tendinitis. He was spot on even though the Medical doctor in the emergency room with x-rays and sonar had misdiagnosed it as bursitis and I ended up being treated incorrectly for a week before going to an orthopod and getting a steroid injection in my tendon.

So saying that a chiros philosophy is to fix anything by cricking you and nothing has changed since the 50's is pretty ignorant. I have been recommend doctors and physio's by my chiro and visa versa.

 

[Lupus]

I recently went to the chiro because I had hurt my arm and I thought it was linked to my condition, he took a look at me and said there was nothing he could do I must go the the hospital. He also said it is probably tendinitis. He was spot on even though the Medical doctor in the emergency room with x-rays and sonar had misdiagnosed it as bursitis and I ended up being treated incorrectly for a week before going to an orthopod and getting a steroid injection in my tendon.

So saying that a chiros philosophy is to fix anything by cricking you and nothing has changed since the 50's is pretty ignorant. I have been recommend doctors and physio's by my chiro and visa versa.

You're the prime chiro candidate though, you keep going, even though they've not actually fixed you. Yet you cannot see this? You also have a lot of anecdotal evidence, which as I've linked before makes you a bit bias.
Perhaps if you were magically fixed the first time and you never experienced the problem again I'd say wow that's an amazing chiro. But the fact that there are times you can't even get there by yourself even after seeing him a few times leads me to believe he's not doing squat to you but emptying your bank account.

 

[Lupus]

This is the thing. A lot of people who go to Chiropractors are those who are desperate because other kinds of treatments haven't helped.

The placebo effect is also a thing. This is why as much as one guy may swear by chiropractic, it's not useful scientific evidence and has no bearing on whether or not the treatment would work on another person.

A lot of people go to homeopaths, naturopaths and and cause conventional medicine doesn't work, unfortunately there are times that this is the case.

 

[I.am.Sam]

Well I'm as much a medical doctor as a chiropractor so... Don't go to a chiropractor. But you'll get people who swear by them as it's anecdotal. Same as you'll get people swearing by homeopaths and psychics.

well you not suggesting anything ...most agree chiros are crap

I never said go to a chiro

I said go try needles and cupping . Bios physios also use this method

I have been to bios, physios, chiros, natural and chinese medicine and needles and cupping works for relief

however exercise and stretching is key to cure the pain

 

[rietrot]

Anecdotally they can, you might even get lucky and have one that does actually work. But scientifically they more then likely aren't doing squat but giving a possibility of crippling you. Both physically and financially.

Quote this "science".

 

[Lupus]

Quote this "science".

You wouldn't believe it anyway so it would be waste, you've got your mind so far up your own rear-end with regards to not liking science there is no point. You may as well go live in some secluded little area far away from everything science has actually provided you. Perhaps you could get the measles and have immunity for life as you'd be dead.

 

[rietrot]

Google back pain exercises, strengthen the muscles around back. Worked for me. And what is your weight.

A physio should have already addressed exercise. His problem are beyond that.

 

[rietrot]

You wouldn't believe it anyway so it would be waste, you've got your mind so far up your own rear-end with regards to not liking science there is no point. You may as well go live in some secluded little area far away from everything science has actually provided you. Perhaps you could get the measles and have immunity for life as you'd be dead.

Yes at least then we can start from somewhere. That you read 10 years ago on rationwiki that chiropractors aren't real doctors doesn't count for anything. If you say "science says" you need to back that up.

 

[rietrot]

You're the prime chiro candidate though, you keep going, even though they've not actually fixed you. Yet you cannot see this? You also have a lot of anecdotal evidence, which as I've linked before makes you a bit bias.
Perhaps if you were magically fixed the first time and you never experienced the problem again I'd say wow that's an amazing chiro. But the fact that there are times you can't even get there by yourself even after seeing him a few times leads me to believe he's not doing squat to you but emptying your bank account.

And you never go back to a real doctor? They always fix people on the first try? And you never heard of chronic conditions or chronic medication?

 

[Scary_Turtle]

You're the prime chiro candidate though, you keep going, even though they've not actually fixed you. Yet you cannot see this? You also have a lot of anecdotal evidence, which as I've linked before makes you a bit bias.
Perhaps if you were magically fixed the first time and you never experienced the problem again I'd say wow that's an amazing chiro. But the fact that there are times you can't even get there by yourself even after seeing him a few times leads me to believe he's not doing squat to you but emptying your bank account.

Straight from wikipedia "There is no cure for ankylosing spondylitis.[2] Treatments may improve symptoms and prevent worsening.[2] This may include medication, exercise, and surgery.", so if you were me you would just live in pain?

But the fact that there are times you can't even get there by yourself (this part is correct) even after seeing him a few times (you made this up months/years between visits) leads me to believe he's not doing squat (Relieving pain that no one can do anything about?) to you but emptying your bank account (medical aid pays just like when I have the flu).

Ignorance by someone who has no experience pain or a disease that they were born with?

 

[ReeceDBN031]

Any real chiros here in there Durban area?

 

[I.am.Sam]

Any real chiros here in there Durban area?

get the paki at the hairdresser to crack your back

 

[The Darkness]

Thats because its unheard of... go on, find a few examples to prove this point? I havent found any, especially in recent years.

Spinal subluxation treatment via adjustments can be good for people, is good for people. You cant actually deny this. Maybe as mentioned above, you are against some other things they may have been known to do, but in 99% of the cases subluxation applies and chiro helps with this.

I mean if we were to go on about quack psuedo science... why do Medical doctors kill more people than any other similar field? Oh yes, lets ply with foreign chemicals and hope to kill off the problem.. Yes lets compare this to something that treats the body without medicine and claim that profession is the bad one. It has its place, as with medical doctors, but dont be so ignorant as to think that 'True' doctors are innocent from misdiagnosis, incorrect treatment and unnecessary deaths of their patients, every year.

Nobody said medical doctors don't make mistakes. Except that they are regulated, trained in a PROVEN scientific field. Chiros are NOT doctors, and their snakeoil practices are nothing more than placebo (if they actually dont end up doing more harm). You are the ignorant one here, because if you actually did ANY reaseach on the matter, you'd not be spouting drivel and wasting everyone's time here.

 

[The Darkness]

IIve got a hip alignment issue, partly due to many factors and well I dont have time to be a fitness addict unfortunately. My one leg is slightly shorter than the other as a result and chiro corrects this for me.
.

I'd love to know how. Maybe he channels magnetic forces and directs them through your spine? Amazing technology.