Communication between WBS & iBurst Customers

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Shaun, no personal analysing because of your official capacity intended. Your post merely came at a time when callcentres were discussed and served as a good example :D

If you're going to take most of these comments/rants/discussions personal, that shrink is gonna work overtime :D Relax, it's only been 2 days :)

1 last thing, it's good that you trust the engineers. It's better if your customer trust you and the engineer
 
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Gatecrasher said:
But I sometimes wonder whether posts are made to help Iburst users, or whether they are made simply to slam the service, because it helps fulfil their predictions.

I wanted iBurst to succeed too. You have no idea how much. I was the first person to receive one of their official new 1.8ghz modems. I started work on fixing the Linux drivers the moment I could. Of course, when I heard that the package they were offering is WORSE than ADSL (Cap/Cost/Speed), I returned the modem immediately. In fact, here's a piccy of the paper bag I sent it back in: http://rodent.za.net/gallery/albums/miscellaneous/IM000265.sized.jpg

Right then and there - I knew that their marketing department was going to screw up a wonderful technology. Unfortunately I' had previously paid my dues for holding onto a crappy service in the hopes that it might turn out good, and I wasn't about to do it again. Perhaps, in a few months things will be different on the iBurst-scape - and perhaps in a few months you will order ADSL if things have not yet been sorted out.

Take some advice from me though. Don't put your hopes too high, and don't spend too much time on these forums debating things, and analyzing things. In fact - this tip can probably go for everyone in this thread. It's a waste of time, it won't make iBurst react any faster, and it's not going to bring you back any money in your pocket.

Rather make a personal call on the issue. Create a deadline for the service working perfectly for yourself. If things aren't fixed by that date, let the service go, and look for alternatives. It's about YOU, and YOUR money, and YOUR satisfaction. Not iBurst's. So if YOU dont feel satisfied, and if YOU feel you've had enough -- GET OUT. It's healthier that way. This is the reason I got out after 3 days. If you can get ADSL and want some convincing about why ADSL is great, then come visit me some time - I'll be glad to demonstrate.

Shaun Green commenting here is a good thing, and a damned nice attempt from their side. But other than that, EVERY SINGLE THING THEY'VE SAID PUBLICALLY SO FAR - IS EXACTLY WHAT SENTECH SAID when they went through these "teething" problems. It is standard corporate practice.

Now, you might say that this brings nothing to bear on fulfulling my predictions of doom, etc... But - I have a knack for spotting trends, having written technical analysis software for stock markets etcetera. And unfortunately the trends are pretty much the same as before.

Some "interesting" similarities.

1. Brand new wireless technology.
2. Promises the world.
3. Promises amazing speed.
4. Must be better than the beast called Hellkom.
5. Utterly clueless marketing department starts advertising.
6. Marketing department sees $$$ instead of the opportunity to take over internet provisioning in .ZA and kill Telkom.
7. Instead invents crappy product packaging that doesn't beat Telkom.
8. Claims it's better than DSL because it's wireless and "ooh mobility!"
9. Product starts becoming available.
10. Initial uptake.
11. Initial users ecstatic. Product AWESOME!
12. 2 weeks later the authentication server goes down.
13. The freshly, hastily installed towers start yo-yo-ing up and down.
14. Users call helldesk and complain.
15. Helldesk promises immediate action.
16. Users impressed by Helldesk promises.
17. Problems go away for a few weeks.
19. More users sign up.
20. The towers start taking strain, because the implementers had no clue and "hey it worked for us!"
21. Speeds start sucking.
22. Users phone helldesk complaining about speed.
23. Helldesk inform marketing, and second level support.
24. Marketing figures it's a good thing, since it means that people are actually using this thing and that "the ball is now rolling". Starts advertising HEAVILY.
25. Second level support claims all is ok, and just a few "tweaks" are required.
26. Users complain more as speeds get even worse, and heavy advertising brings more users.
27. Helldesk promises that second level support is now "working on implementing the solution" - or that "your'e the only one on your tower having problems".
28. Second level support doesn't have a fscking clue what's going on, so they just randomly tweak stuff. Users start to buy antennae and cans to "improve their signal" since it's "only them that have the problem". It's the "I'm not OK" syndrome.
29. The random tweaks make things even worse.
30. Users cry, but feel too stupid to cancel the service, since they've already exclaimed how much it roxorz.
31. Instead users whine more at the Helldesk.
32. Helldesk says things are "in progress". User must be patient.
33. Eventually marketing starts to hear about the "bad product vibe"
34. Calls in techies and asks "Wtf is going on?"
35. Techies say that must be a hardware problem and that the kit is defective.
36. Marketing goes bananas and calls in "the overseas guys" since the "local techies" are clearly not cutting it.
37. Users whine at Helldesk, but since second level support is now usurped by "the overseas guys" they just tell the users there's no problem, except for that tower. Local techies feel miffed.
38. Newspapers start to hear about the crappy service and talk to marketing.
39. Marketing denies everything and claims that it's simply 1-2% of users having problems. "Here be no dragons".
40. Users are now whining constantly, flaming in the myadsl.co.za forums and threatening with ASA action etc.

Need I carry on?

There's an old story about housewives involved in a chain-scheme: Selling little plastic balls that supposedly "atomically soften the water in your washing machine" - saving you money and soap. Of course, the ball does absolutely nothing. But every housewife that's purchased one convinces all her FRIENDS to purchase one too (from her), because she feels too embarassed to admit she's been conned, and would rather drag her friends into the scheme with her too, by lying through her teeth. Naturally her friends continue the scheme, because they too, don't want to feel like the only idiots that fell for it.

Yes, iBurst is a beta service. Yes, it could possibly get better. But just remember that you shouldn't have to wait forever. Consider this post whichever way you want - "helpful" or "doomsaying". This is the past, and these have been the experiences of a number of people. I can tell you now, that if you think you've been swindled for as much as one day of the month, then insist on a refund TODAY, not tomorrow, not next month. Because then it will be too late. Act now. There's the advice - the rest is up to you. Heck cancel the service until such time they get their issues sorted out. Consider going back to 56k for a few months, keep your UTD. BUT don't continue supporting an unreliable service just for the sake of supporting it. All that that will show iBurst is that people are prepared to put up with ****. Make a statement, be kind, and tell them that they can resubscribe you when they've sorted out their billing screw-ups, their service stability, and the performance. Bur for pete's sake... Don't continue rewarding them with money.

Right now, I'm using the monthly subscription I'm saving Sentech/iBurst (since I only ever used them as top-up for ADSL) and buying an 802.11b/g access point every month, and I'm rigging up my neighbourhood of Greenside. It's a lot more fun. Think of doing the same. You'll be doing community networks (or your own little business) a lot of good, instead of throwing money at a service that can currently only be summed up as "frustrating".

My apologies - this seemed to turn out to be a bit of a LoneGunman post.
 
VIVA THE RAT, VIVA! Early adopters never seem to realise that they're usually considered to be nothing more than guinea-pigs, and mostly act like lemmings in the blind following of that elusive goal, over the cliff... (...eh, are those all rodents?!)
 
hehe, The truth is a nasty thing, Shaun perhaps you should take a good look at that essay, its not far off from the truth. I must admit I got my Iburst a day before therodent sent his packing. Looking back I wish I had done the same.
 
wow you kids have really raped this thread, 6 pages, damn.

Shaun, what about speeds jumping occasionaly, is that just a wireless thing or is that something WBS will try rectify by the launch?
 
By "speeds jumping occasionally" I assume you mean it doesn't download constantly @ (for instance) 100kb/s? That is usually contention coming into play. Normally (unless you're using Sentech, hahaha) your download speed should stay somewhat constant, however, it is subject to some spikey-ness-ness from time to time.
 
Shaun, re: Speed issue, Northcliff is SERIOUSLY slow, I'll give you a ring during the day when I'm not too busy (my day starts at 5am and ends at around 19:30 when I actually knock off for dinner)

I'm on bedfordview now again and the upload speed (which I set to 11kb/s max) stays constant, however, with Northcliff, I struggle to stay on an average of 1.5kb/s

I'm extremely close to the Roodepoort tower, however, I live on the hill there overlooking Hillfox/weltevreden and have direct line of sight to the northcliff tower. I might just be out of LOS (and perhaps get blocked by a few houses) from the Roodepoort one.

I hope you guys are considering putting up another tower or two in the weltevreden area so it can cut down on the load Northcliff has to deal with. Unless you can upgrade the tower for more capacity (which I think is possible according to what I've heard via software) and seeing as your engineers are out there and no expense is too great to fix things, I suggest you upgrade them all, because this service could rawk. Don't be stingy like Sentech. According to them they would have had 98% of south africa covered already, yet WBS covers more areas Sentech has yet to reach :D Oh, and the fact that you have detailed maps helps alot. Sentech still doesn't want to disclose the locations of their towers. lol
 
I am having difficulty understanding how the problems we are experiencing are as a result of tower capacity. During December or early January, not sure exactly when there was an almost 100 % degradation almost overnight. One day I could do the online gaming thing and the next not, it didnt seem to be a gradual decline in speed.
 
Hi Guys

Firstly I just want to thank Shaun for taking the time to reply in these forums
I have spent 2 days reading posts made here as to not double post/repeat what has been discussed, but I do feel that some things need to be repeated.

I am an online gamer that is why i got iburst and only for this reason.
I was happy using a dial-up option from telkom as i stayed connected even if it was only @ 56k.

The disconnections cost me terribly in my game, and death means experiance lost which makes my toon weaker. I see that we should be getting results soon on the disconnection issues so I am not going to carry on like a teenager about that.

What i would like to point out is that only one out of four emails have been responded to. This IMHO is not good.

I tried sentech for about half an hour and put it straight back into the box, I hate telkom and do not like the 1 Gig cap vodacom offers.Once again IMHO 3 gig does not sound to bad but, port shaping could kill the experiance for me.
Even 64kb when capped will do the job but the disconnets are a NO NO.

I would like to forward your services to my clients but at this point I cant as the website does not give any indication on settings etc to use the modem and required area settings, helpdesk is a bit slow to respond and sometimes the answers are far from true.

Please let the helpdesk guys know not to give a answer that is not true I can totally accept the engineers are working on it and will let us know what they find, But then let us know pls. Maybe have a section on the status of a problem which would hep to limit calls and frustations from the users.
 
Karel_01 said:
Please let the helpdesk guys know not to give a answer that is not true I can totally accept the engineers are working on it and will let us know what they find, But then let us know pls. Maybe have a section on the status of a problem which would hep to limit calls and frustations from the users.

It took us 9 months to get Sentech to do that. Everything else you're describing is also EXACTLY formula.
 
TheRodent, and even then the lameass noticeboard they put up does not give us the information we required, nor the interaction we needed.

#1 WBS is contributing (on this forum)... took a while, but not 9 months, and even after all that, sentech STILL doesn't participate in these forums.

Even though it's frustrating with disconnections and slow speed, I must admit they are far less worse than Sentech.

Note, I said, far less worse... not better :D
 
TheRoDent said:
My apologies - this seemed to turn out to be a bit of a LoneGunman post.

I forgive you. Thanks for the detailed response. Points noted. Of course, your points only give the similarities. There are also many dissimilarities.

I'm not going to be an apologist for Iburst. They must stand up for themselves. I, too, cannot recommend Iburst to anyone at the moment. It's just too unreliable. However, I have often seen the service in full flight, and when everything is working as it should, it is truly awesome.

I just feel that if we are going to get the improvements and reliability we want from the service, we need to target our efforts at addressing specific issues and problems, rather than peddling generalities.

To blandly state that Iburst is Sentech all over again (Deja Vu) is just too simplistic. It sounds too much like wishful thinking, an instruction, rather than an objective observation. I'm sure that any start-up broadband service is going to encounter a similar set of problems. It's just a matter of degree. The acid test is how they go about addressing those problems.

There is still 6 weeks before Iburst launches, whereas most of Sentech's woes occured post-launch.

Iburst still have time to put their house in order before they reach the point where they can be fairly and critically judged. I hope they do it.

If they don't, well, I'm on the 30 day contract, and I'll be talking with my feet.
 
Gatecrasher said:
To blandly state that Iburst is Sentech all over again (Deja Vu) is just too simplistic. It sounds too much like wishful thinking, an instruction, rather than an objective observation. I'm sure that any start-up broadband service is going to encounter a similar set of problems.

That is the crux of my point. This is a start-up service, and experience has shown that start-up services tend to frustrate users. Wait until things have stabilized and the lessons have been learned. Obviously iBurst isn't Sentech. But their are obvious similarities and problems.
 
The similarity also boils down to WBS's lack of bandwidth.
How can one expect to offer a high speed network when their
entire backhaul feed to the internet is only 12Mb/s ???
 
dbnnet said:
How can one expect to offer a high speed network when their
entire backhaul feed to the internet is only 12Mb/s ???

Interesting. Where does that number come from?
 
come come... do you really think that uunet (as well as other ISP) employees don't talk :)

Edit - But let's get real: Until Telkom is brought to it's knees on the issue of
SAT3 pricing, get used to this kind of bandwidth squeeze by solution providors like WBS
 
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dbnnet said:
The similarity also boils down to WBS's lack of bandwidth.
How can one expect to offer a high speed network when their
entire backhaul feed to the internet is only 12Mb/s ???
I thought the Japs were here to sort this out.
 
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