Crystal Web (NEW ISP) ADSL Feedback

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HavocXphere

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Edit...seems like it might be a router issue. Powercycling it per Paul's suggestion helped. Weird...

Jeez....wtf is going on?

I can't even stream audio-only youtube without buffering ever couple seconds. Thats like 0.1mbps requirement...

Been like that for 2 hours now.
 
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Cosmically

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Is the new hardware that was installed routing live traffic over it yet? Still experiencing international packet loss. Or is this a different problem? Can't really play games reliably atm.

Here's some pathping results (to eu.battle.net) if you want to see which hops are dropping packets. Included same test from some different ISP's on other backbones afterwards to compare.

Crystal Web:
Code:
            Source to Here   This Node/Link
Hop  RTT    Lost/Sent = Pct  Lost/Sent = Pct  Address
  0                                           ZAPP [192.168.88.252]
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
  1    0ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  router [192.168.88.1]
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
  2   11ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  105.233.47.1
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
  3   11ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  196.6.121.198
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
  4   11ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  pk002-jhb-gi-v611.borwood.net [217.78.80.225]
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
  5  179ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  th003-lon-po-wacs.borwood.net [217.78.80.237]
                                6/ 100 =  6%   |
  6  189ms     6/ 100 =  6%     0/ 100 =  0%  th102-lon-vl-prcera2.borwood.net [217.78.88.26]
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
  7  186ms     6/ 100 =  6%     0/ 100 =  0%  gi-0-3-0-1-63.r02.londen03.uk.bb.gin.ntt.net [213.130.48.1]
                                2/ 100 =  2%   |
  8  190ms     8/ 100 =  8%     0/ 100 =  0%  ldn-b5-link.telia.net [213.248.100.49]
                                2/ 100 =  2%   |
  9  201ms    10/ 100 = 10%     0/ 100 =  0%  ldn-bb1-link.telia.net [213.155.136.74]
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
 10  212ms    10/ 100 = 10%     0/ 100 =  0%  prs-bb1-link.telia.net [213.155.134.36]
                                2/ 100 =  2%   |
 11  198ms    12/ 100 = 12%     0/ 100 =  0%  prs-b8-link.telia.net [213.155.131.9]


Telkom Internet:
Code:
            Source to Here   This Node/Link
Hop  RTT    Lost/Sent = Pct  Lost/Sent = Pct  Address
  0                                           ZAPP [192.168.88.252]
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
  1  ---     100/ 100 =100%   100/ 100 =100%  router [192.168.88.1]
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
  2   11ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  ti-224-192-01.telkomadsl.co.za [105.224.192.1]
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
  3   11ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  ti-224-0-06.telkomadsl.co.za [105.224.0.6]
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
  4   11ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  ti-224-0-13.telkomadsl.co.za [105.224.0.13]
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
  5   13ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  165.165.216.221
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
  6  199ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  lon-ip-hsll-1-gig-7-1-0.telkom-ipnet.co.za [196.43.9.58]
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
  7  201ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  ldn-b5-link.telia.net [62.115.35.89]
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
  8  205ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  ldn-bb2-link.telia.net [213.155.136.76]
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
  9  217ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  prs-bb2-link.telia.net [80.91.246.177]
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
 10  203ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  prs-b8-link.telia.net [213.155.131.11]


WebAfrica:
Code:
            Source to Here   This Node/Link
Hop  RTT    Lost/Sent = Pct  Lost/Sent = Pct  Address
  0                                           ZAPP [192.168.88.252]
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
  1  ---     100/ 100 =100%   100/ 100 =100%  router [192.168.88.1]
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
  2    9ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  196-215-178-1.dynamic.isadsl.co.za [196.215.178.1]
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
  3   10ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  196.38.72.229
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
  4    9ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  cdsl2-rba-vl150.ip.isnet.net [196.38.73.9]
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
  5   14ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  core1-pkl-tg0-7-0-0.ip.isnet.net [168.209.1.162]
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
  6  184ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  168.209.246.3
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
  7  177ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  xe-4-3-2.edge3.london1.level3.net [195.50.124.33]
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
  8  187ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  vl-3503-ve-117.csw1.london1.level3.net [4.69.166.137]
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
  9  176ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  ae-124-3510.edge5.london1.level3.net [4.69.166.37]
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
 10  191ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  ldn-b5-link.telia.net [213.248.91.57]
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
 11  185ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  ldn-bb1-link.telia.net [80.91.248.217]
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
 12  197ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  prs-bb1-link.telia.net [80.91.254.209]
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
 13  185ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  prs-b8-link.telia.net [213.155.131.1]


Afrihost:
Code:
            Source to Here   This Node/Link
Hop  RTT    Lost/Sent = Pct  Lost/Sent = Pct  Address
  0                                           ZAPP [192.168.88.252]
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
  1  ---     100/ 100 =100%   100/ 100 =100%  router [192.168.88.1]
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
  2   10ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  105-236-11-193-esr-lo.mtnbusiness.co.za [105.236.11.193]
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
  3   12ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  ipc-recieve-rb-3a.za.mtnbusiness.net [41.181.178.77]
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
  4   16ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  rb-cr-1.za--rb-dca-1.za-a.mtnns.net [196.44.0.146]
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
  5   10ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  jh-cr-2.za--rb-cr-1.za-b.mtnns.net [196.44.31.171]
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
  6   13ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  qux-jh-dca-2.za-b.za.mtnbusiness.net [41.181.165.115]
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
  7  192ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  ls-cr-2.uk--rb-cr-1.za-g.mtnns.net [196.44.31.114]
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
  8  192ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  ls-cr-1.uk--ls-cr-2.uk-a.mtnns.net [196.44.31.156]
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
  9  186ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  ls-pr-2.uk--ls-cr-1.uk-a.mtn.net [209.212.111.203]
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
 10  183ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  195.50.122.181
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
 11  197ms     1/ 100 =  1%     1/ 100 =  1%  vl-3606-ve-230.csw2.london1.level3.net [4.69.166.22]
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
 12  184ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  ae-233-3609.edge5.london1.level3.net [4.69.166.49]
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
 13  193ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  ldn-b5-link.telia.net [213.248.96.37]
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
 14  199ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  ldn-bb2-link.telia.net [213.155.132.196]
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
 15  206ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  prs-bb2-link.telia.net [80.91.247.240]
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
 16  203ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  prs-b8-link.telia.net [213.155.131.17]
 

Necuno

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Gaming performance is still not unacceptable. Can't play either of eso or swtor as abilities fail to launch and is very very laggy. Switch to the backup mweb account and there is no problem.

Need to be fixed fast. Everything else works fine but this is a big big issue for gamers...

I would love to see this addressed. Perhaps someone at CW needs a purchase a copy of Diablo 3 and ESO for starters. It would be well worth their while to get someone who is employed to at least game a few things. This is standard at mweb to have a gaming department or one man for that so that more than one use is looked after.

The other thing severely missing is at least once a week update in a mail, and someone more continuous presence here telling us where they are in the greater picture.

I'm all cool for we are working on it, but over weekends it feels like we are left to our own devices which can easily if someone who does not know Paul or DJ say that hey they don't give a **** and they want us to suffer. Extreme example, but think about it: In the end the customer needs to know something even if that something is a minute update. In that way at least they without having to known the owner, director or employes directly, know things are moving forward.

From my perspective, if we cutout the fact that I know how DJ normally does things, All I see is some aspects working 100% while it feels like rest is less important. The the actual target market is kids who just want to watch a few streams online, while the rest of us who has more than one use for the internet is simply watching the show and wondering when the next act comes up.

I don't want to sit in beta for the next 6 months. This is why I said I, personally, needs to know what sort of time frame are we looking at. Because of the simple fact that having already paid CW R550, another R200-R400 on top of that is double paying for the same thing. Which for now I'm fine with, but in the long run it is getting more and more expensive. I for one don't just have magical funds available.

Looking back when the international was crawling, I would have loved to have downloaded arena commander (±30 gig), Shroud of the avatar R6 (±20gigs) and at least have started with the recent wow client. What happens if I want to get myself DarkFall?

So yes, of course, some of us are not happy, but we are sticking it out in good faith. Of course we don't expect everything to be working perfect from the get go and instant fixes, but there are some things that can actually be sorted or at least some things that can be implemented to assist and elevate.
 
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Pythos

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Been doing pathpings to www.robertspaceindustries.com (Star Citizen) for the past few days to monitor packet loss, just thought I'd share the today's results if it helps Crystal Web at all with seeing linking issues. (Previous days results looked similar).

Code:
Tracing route to www.robertspaceindustries.com [184.168.221.96]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
  0  Cezzum.Zeus [10.0.0.10]
  1  home.gateway.Zeus [10.0.0.2]
  2  105.233.13.1
  3  telkom-gw-ipc-up.jhbcore.net [196.6.121.198]
  4  pk002-jhb-gi-v611.borwood.net [217.78.80.225]
  5  th003-lon-po-wacs.borwood.net [217.78.80.237]
  6  th102-lon-vl-prcera2.borwood.net [217.78.88.26]
  7  th302-lon-gi-1204.borwood.net [217.78.88.82]
  8  195.66.225.28
  9     *        *        *
Computing statistics for 200 seconds...
            Source to Here   This Node/Link
Hop  RTT    Lost/Sent = Pct  Lost/Sent = Pct  Address
  0                                           Cezzum.Zeus [10.0.0.10]
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
  1    0ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  home.gateway.Zeus [10.0.0.2]
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
  2   12ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  105.233.13.1
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
  3   12ms     1/ 100 =  1%     1/ 100 =  1%  telkom-gw-ipc-up.jhbcore.net [196.
6.121.198]
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
  4   15ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  pk002-jhb-gi-v611.borwood.net [217
.78.80.225]
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
  5  180ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  th003-lon-po-wacs.borwood.net [217
.78.80.237]
                                8/ 100 =  8%   |
  6  190ms     8/ 100 =  8%     0/ 100 =  0%  th102-lon-vl-prcera2.borwood.net [
217.78.88.26]
                                6/ 100 =  6%   |
  7  191ms    14/ 100 = 14%     0/ 100 =  0%  th302-lon-gi-1204.borwood.net [217
.78.88.82]
                               86/ 100 = 86%   |
  8  ---     100/ 100 =100%     0/ 100 =  0%  195.66.225.28

Trace complete.
 

Paparazzi

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I have seen improvements on streaming from Twitch, i can now actually sit down and watch a stream on medium without any buffering and on high with a bit of buffering, didn't play any games over the weekend so can't advise on that yet.
 

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I have seen improvements on streaming from Twitch, i can now actually sit down and watch a stream on medium without any buffering and on high with a bit of buffering, didn't play any games over the weekend so can't advise on that yet.

Yeah I noticed this as well. Youtube live streams are now streaming fine at 720p. Twitch is stable at medium, but can be a bit moody on high. At least I was able to watch a fair amount of Evo matches yesterday on Medium settings.

Still, the gaming thing needs to get sorted out.
 

saa044

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CW had a nice weekend for my streaming needs, it is such a pleasure that I have not heard the wife complain once about buffers. This was the case with my previous ISP though.
 

Sinbad

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Streaming has always been epic for me.
Gaming still sucks though ;(
 

saa044

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Streaming has always been epic for me.
Gaming still sucks though ;(

I could play Defiance on Friday for a bit, after a hour the ping's got a bit to high unfortunately, but was fun while it lasted. :)
 

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I would love to see this addressed. Perhaps someone at CW needs a purchase a copy of Diablo 3 and ESO for starters. It would be well worth their while to get someone who is employed to at least game a few things. This is standard at mweb to have a gaming department or one man for that so that more than one use is looked after.

MWEB are also a multibillion Rand business. We're not quite there yet. :D

The other thing severely missing is at least once a week update in a mail, and someone more continuous presence here telling us where they are in the greater picture.

I've dropped the ball a little on that one as we've moved systems. Reason for this is that as we moved we lost our unsubscription database and I didn't want to find our business on the wrong side of being reported just yet - we honestly do hold ourselves to a very high ethical standard. You can however expect an email today from us.

I'm all cool for we are working on it, but over weekends it feels like we are left to our own devices which can easily if someone who does not know Paul or DJ say that hey they don't give a **** and they want us to suffer. Extreme example, but think about it: In the end the customer needs to know something even if that something is a minute update. In that way at least they without having to known the owner, director or employes directly, know things are moving forward.

Weekends we're working even harder to be honest, but the forum dies down and there's often not much to report, but I do appreciate the feedback and I will take it on board. Appreciated. ;)

All I see is some aspects working 100% while it feels like rest is less important.

Everything is important to us. I can assure you. This international issue is costing us fortunes as a business. We have had to delay our launch by 2 months with a full staff complement on board; froze signups; lost out on marketing retainers paid; paying for bandwidth unavailable to us, migrating customers at our cost to other backbones etc. Without going in to the real nitty-gritty of the costs to us, we want and in fact need this resolved more urgently than I think people appreciate. We will do everything to make it happen as quickly as humanly possible.

The the actual target market is kids who just want to watch a few streams online

That's not our target market, I can assure you.

So yes, of course, some of us are not happy, but we are sticking it out in good faith. Of course we don't expect everything to be working perfect from the get go and instant fixes, but there are some things that can actually be sorted or at least some things that can be implemented to assist and elevate.

I sincerely appreciate the honest and frank feedback, and it will go a long way in changing a few things from our side. Thank you. :)

Note that we will be introducing our contingency plan, even though we're seeing improved speeds, so expect communication in this regard today.
 
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I know CW is a business ( albeit not launched yet ) , and they should provide a service in return for what we pay them, however, as with any start up, it's never plain sailing in the beginning, so come on now....cut them some slack, I'm sure they are working hard to get things sorted out.
 

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As previously posted, we have a contingency which we will implement tomorrow if latencies don't get better. You will be sorted. Speeds are starting to resolve themselves.

But we will ensure that you have a decent connection if things aren't resolved by tomorrow.

Just got home, logged on to Wildstar and still seeing 350ms. Playable solo, so I am not going to ride you guys about it yet. I know you be slogging away at this, but I feel feedback is important. :)
 

saa044

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MWEB are also a multibillion Rand business. We're not quite there yet. :D



I've dropped the ball a little on that one as we've moved systems. Reason for this is that as we moved we lost our unsubscription database and I didn't want to find our business on the wrong side of being reported just yet - we honestly do hold ourselves to a very high ethical standard. You can however expect an email today from us.



Weekends we're working even harder to be honest, but the forum dies down and there's often not much to report, but I do appreciate the feedback and I will take it on board. Appreciated. ;)



Everything is important to us. I can assure you. This international issue is costing us fortunes as a business. We have had to delay our launch by 2 months with a full staff complement on board; froze signups; lost out on marketing retainers paid; paying for bandwidth unavailable to us, migrating customers at our cost to other backbones etc. Without going in to the real nitty-gritty of the costs to us, we want and in fact need this resolved more urgently than I think people appreciate. We will do everything to make it happen as quickly as humanly possible.



That's not our target market, I can assure you.



I sincerely appreciate the honest and frank feedback, and it will go a long way in changing a few things from our side. Thank you. :)

Note that we will be introducing our contingency plan, even though we're seeing improved speeds, so expect communication in this regard today.

TBH CW why I signed up with you is mainly because my kid and wife can stream youtube properly and the other streaming channels I make available to them. Happy wife/daughter, happy life.
 

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I know CW is a business ( albeit not launched yet ) , and they should provide a service in return for what we pay them, however, as with any start up, it's never plain sailing in the beginning, so come on now....cut them some slack, I'm sure they are working hard to get things sorted out.

Even the negative feedback is good feedback, and I think necuno's post was mostly positive to be honest. That's the way I read it.

Just got home, logged on to Wildstar and still seeing 350ms. Playable solo, so I am not going to ride you guys about it yet. I know you be slogging away at this, but I feel feedback is important. :)

We really are, and negotiating the best plans for any delays as well. Thanks for the continued support, Steven.

TBH CW why I signed up with you is mainly because my kid and wife can stream youtube properly and the other streaming channels I make available to them. Happy wife/daughter, happy life.

Yup, streaming is prioritised to ensure a smooth experience. Makes me happy to get some positive feedback for a change, although I do understand when people are upset about the international issue.
 
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