Cybersmart First Impression!!! Terrible

There is no excuse for being rude to customers and potential customers.

I was interested in giving them a try for a month or two but after reading their terms I decided against it. I refuse to give up my Web Africa account and it's ridiculous that they demand we do before we can use their service. I also don't like the fact that I have to use their supplied email address. Gmail works great for me and I won't be forced to change the way I operate for some silly ISP. Lastly, I don't like that they expect 30 days written notice to cancel. I like Web Africa's policy of no notice.

So, all in all, I'd rather pay a bit more and get excellent support with no ridiculous conditions from Web Africa.
 
Yup, those Terms & Conditions put me right off Cybersmart.

Web Africa for me thanks! :)
 
I use them. They are great. I have NEVER had any problems. Granted 99% of my queries are email based. I only had a prob configuring my modem, that was done over the telephone, with a person of excellent knowledge, and a hell of alot of patience!! (I messed up, and then we realised it was my fault, and he was cool). WRT SAIX or IS, I emailed that, and asked them, it was one of my 1st questions to them (I was with another ISP, wanting to change over), and they emailed back and told me they were SAIX based, told me about the hard cap. They were very forthcoming with information, and very helpful. I am really sorry you received such **** service, cos they have been nothing but great with me. I have recommended 2 people to them already, and will keep doing so.

and FYI I do not work for them :) , although, I will take an additional 3gb a month for this, if they are looking at this... hehe :) j/k - but they have been great to deal with.
 
I think Cybersmart is providing a great service...although I use the great devil Telkom Internet. However, it seems they have the attitude of doing their customers a great service. This mentality is not needed. It is the customers who are doing them a favour by using their service. This mentality (apparent in the banking service to a large extent) needs to be changed. If you don't like them, simply don't use them ;).
 
bad first impressions

Just so there is no doubt, I do work for Cybersmart and I can guarantee you that mlunga does not.

If you look at all the posts to these forums concerning Cybersmart we have been critisized for a large number of things, including being a "start up", "having a crappy website", "being an apartheid ISP" and other equally flattering comments. All these comments we have taken to heart and as far as I know we have addressed all of them. A new complaint has arisen that our telephonic skills are not up to scratch. This is the first time this particular issue has been raised and it will be addressed like all the others. If you can tell me who the person is that you spoke to and what he said that offended you, I will take it up with the person concerned. You can post this information here or you can contact me directly on my cell, 0832750616 (please do not leave a message if you get my voice mail, sms me and I will phone you back).

Whatever we do is aimed at keeping our price to the consumer the lowest in the industry. Since we are currently the lowest and these forums are constantly monitored by our competitors (none of whom admit working/owning an ISP), we choose not to disclose certain information telephonically or otherwise that may compromise our competitive advantage. This is common business practice in all industries and I find it bizarre that this industry deems it necessary that ISP's disclose their suppliers as well as their input costs.

The reasons for our terms and conditions have been well documented both on these forums and on our FAQ, http://faq.cybersmart.co.za and they are necessary to maintain our price, profitability and business direction. I have had people phoning me on my cell at 6am on Sunday waxing lyrical about how unfair the terms and conditions are, even after they have read the reasons. If you feel it cathartic to hurl abuse at me on the weekend you are most welcome to do so, it is a service I provide free of charge. We would much prefer that you raise your concerns verbally or on these forums than vote with your money and not subscribe, however, I do not monitor these forums that often, so the issue will probably be addressed sooner if you phone me.

Just a quick summary of what we have done resulting from comments on these forums as well as customer complaints.

1. We have got rid of our "purple monster" website after criticism here and
elsewhere of having an unprofessional site.
2. We give you an option of doing a "rolled topup" so that whatever you do
not use of your topup get carried through to the following month after
being accused of "stealing the topup"
3. Our flexicap option charges you per Mb after you reach your 3Gig Cap and
then allows you to topup if your per Mb rate is higher than the topup
rate. This after having being told by chris from Acron Business solutions
that it was unfair that we force people to topup in 3gig increments when
he only ever goes over by a couple of Mbs.
4. Our Capsaver option which allows you to save your unused portion of your
cap indefinitely was introduced when John Andrew Littlefield
([email protected]) said that he could never benefit from a "rolled
topup" because he never topped up and could we introduce this service.
5. We have tried to make the wording on all our documents less technical
after numerous complaints that customers did not understand the wording.


So, as can be seen, if you raise an issue we will do our best to address it. The current issue is that we have no telephone skills, hopefully that will be point 6 in my next post.

Regards

Laurie
 
It probably isn't legal. People are under the mistaken impression that terms and conditions are always legal and binding. Also if they degrade your service they could potentially face legal action regardless. They'll be counting on you not having the will or resources to throw a lawyer at them (and a lawyer would have a field day with their terms and conditions).

Anyway there is absolutely nothing stopping you from using a second ISP as well. If you know how to set up your equipment you'll have no trouble, and if you need support you can always phone the other ISP. I can however fully understand Cybersmart not wanting to have to solve problems caused by people who are using more than one ISP and are clueless. Perfectly acceptable for them to refuse support in this case, but totally unacceptable to maliciously degrade your service just because you use more than one ISP. If you don't know how to configure your hardware and software pick one ISP and stay with them.
 
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No Name... And gonna stay with my ISP

Laurie (Cybersmart)

The lady who answered the phone could not answer my questions. Then it was handed to some guy.


Im sorry I dont have a name, You guys turned me off ... So his name didnt matter to me in the end. I FELT that with that general company attitude no-one would care about a complaint anyway. I still FEEl that you are a little defensive in you reply and it seems to lack some preffesionalism. I dont get any similar feeling with Imagine. Customers compare these things, its what we do when choosing a product/service. I think you/your comany needs to put themselves in the customers shoes for a while.

Anyway at the end of the day, You lost/scared a potential cutomer, And everyone I advise on the matter.
I contacted Imagine ISP to let them know I was moving to WebAfrica and told me that they were dropping rates next month (will be announced next month). -17% on my package. Their customer service is fantastic , So im just gonna stay there. Ends up cheaper than Webafrica too.

So now, im happy where I am , Thanks to you........
 
Since we are currently the lowest and these forums are constantly monitored by our competitors (none of whom admit working/owning an ISP), we choose not to disclose certain information telephonically or otherwise that may compromise our competitive advantage.

Firstly, there are a few competitors on this forum who work for ISPs and openly admit it.
Secondly, what is so secret about the network you operate on? Its either SAIX or IS. Why would the non-disclosure of such information give you an edge over other ISPs? Really...
As far as your lowest price goes, if you consider all the restrictions, then it is not really a lower price - it is a lesser service for less money.
Do you really force clients to actually use your email address?
PS: I don't work for an ISP. I am currently looking for one.
 
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I've been on cybersmart for 3 months now. No probs with the customer service, I usually send an e-mail and receive a good response.

Is there any way for them to check if you have another ISP?
 
@ Laurie - the disclosure of source (IS / SAIX) is crucial to the decision someone makes when choosing an ISP - simply read this forum for more information.
 
I've been on cybersmart for 3 months now. No probs with the customer service, I usually send an e-mail and receive a good response.

Is there any way for them to check if you have another ISP?

Dont think so, just don't go phoning them when you have a problem with another SP

All in all (i'm not a Cybersmart client) I beleive they offer the lowest cost ADSL ISP in SA. In addition, their terms and conditions are acceptable, in that they are there to keep costs down.

My 2c
 
@ Laurie - the disclosure of source (IS / SAIX) is crucial to the decision someone makes when choosing an ISP - simply read this forum for more information.

I'd agree with this, I avoid IS based isp's on purpose due to the extra latency of it being a sat based connection internationally. But yah i've been with them since moving over and not looked back. I like their new services. :)
 
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I still don't see how it can hurt if they told you that they use IS,UUNET or SAIX.
 
Bottom line is that Cybersmart clearly have some odd terms and conditions (and by the sound of things, odd customer service too).

Some people will accept these terms and not have a problem with them, others will not. So it's personal choice. I'd rather pay a little more to my ISP and not be bound by terms I think are unreasonable. I really hope they will consider dropping these conditions at some stage. They will find many more people signing up.

I agree that I won't sign up with an ISP unless I know whether they use SAIX or IS. I don't quite see why they would consider this top secret info.

On a more positive note it's good that Cybersmart atleast have someone willing to answer our questions. (Well, some of our questions) :)
 
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Laurie, even after your statement, which I don't think Dave has read, he's still very very rude.

Here's the lowdown. I have a 3GB account, and somtimes run out at the end of the month. Instead of being open & flexible with me, he was very very rude, and said "no" to anything I asked. HE also put the phone down on me, and when I phone him a second time told me I was irretating him, and wasting his time.

So, I signed up for another account. I don't want to pay an extra R199 per month to catre for the more busy months, instead I'm looking for a 5GB account, which he refuses to give me. Currently, that account has been cancelled from his side, and I was threatened that he's going to blacklist my ADSL line.

To Dave: IF you want to run a school, or an army base camp, that's fine. If you want everyone to adhere to your super-secure-rules, that's fine. But you're loosing business, and you're giving the industry a very poor image of your company. I have a client with 3 branches, who's looking to have only one account, and pay one bill, but this is simply against the rules and in breach of your contract. I'm sorry, but you won't see any of my other client's on your system. You have just lost yourself a big clientbase.

At this stage, I'm looking for a decent ISP, with good support, both telephonically and via email. I have some corporate clients, and I'm not going to loose their business because of your arrogance. Lucely I haven't moved them over yet.
 
At this stage, I'm looking for a decent ISP, with good support, both telephonically and via email. I have some corporate clients, and I'm not going to loose their business because of your arrogance. Lucely I haven't moved them over yet.

Vote with your feet - they will soon learn that this is no way to deal with customers.

I strongly suggest you check out Web Africa. If you need an extra GB near the end of the month simply topup with a prepaid GB which will roll over until the next month if not used.

By far the best service and support I've experienced with any ISP.
 
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