Defective New Scirocco R

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I took delivery of a brand new Scirocco R from Barons Woodmead on the 17th of March.

From the second day of ownership the car exhibited a Check Engine Light error. Two months and two opportunities to repair the vehicle later the Check Engine Light is still coming on. Over 600km of testing mileage has been put on a new vehicle by the dealer and they still have no clue what the problem is. VWSA refuses to replace the vehicle since "this cases evidence does not warrant a replacement".

I have wasted time and money and am paying Stannic monthly installments for my car to be parked at the dealership while VW thumbsuck and try to fix the vehicle through trial and error. Hope that you dont get a defective vehicle because its an uphill battle with VW if you do.

Read the quote below if you want more detail. I'm opening a case with the National Consumer Commission and making my experience public where ever I can. Any help/advice/comments would be appreciated.

I've also posted this up on facebook on VWSA's and VW Germany's webpage. If you could take the time, your comments/likes would be greatly appreciated to boost awareness of exactly what type of customer service we get from VWSA when something goes wrong. Thanks guys.

VW Germany's facebook post

VWSA's facebook post

Pay attention to the difference between Germany's response and South Africa's... that alone says a lot.

On the second day of ownership (18th March 2014) the Check Engine Light illuminated and I returned the car on the morning of the 19th of March to Barons Woodmead so it could be investigated. I also informed them that I noticed the car was noticeably slower than the car I traded in, a 2010 Scirocco 2.0 TSI. They informed me that the engine needs to be run in and it may be because I haven’t owned a DSG car before. It was at the dealer from the morning until the afternoon and I was told that the fault that was picked up on their VAS machine was a cruise control fault. I was informed the fault was cleared after testing the cruise control and they assured me it was safe to drive.

The car drove fine from Tuesday to Thursday with no Engine Warning Light, apart from feeling underpowered compared to my old Scirocco 2.0 TSI. On Friday morning (21st March 2014) I drove to Durban and the Engine Warning Light came on during the journey. I drove the vehicle carefully for the remaining part of the journey and the following morning (22nd of March 2014) I took the car to McCarthy VW in Umhlanga. Sheryl, the Service manager, assisted me and Pravin, a technician, connected the VAS machine and discovered two intermittent faults. One pertaining to the Air intake system and the other stating Bank1 was running lean. Pravin proceeded to clear the errors and informed me since it was intermittent faults the car was safe to drive back up to Gauteng.

I then proceeded to drive around Durban for the remainder of the day and then back to Pretoria on Sunday (23rd March 2014). The Engine Warning Light did not return after this journey. I however drove the car back to Barons Woodmead on Monday (24th March 2014) to ensure the car was fine to drive as I did not want to damage the car or be accused of negligence. They could not find any faults and said the vehicle was fine. I also voiced my opinion about the vehicle being underpowered and they assured me that it was a placebo effect. Two days later, (26th March 2014) I drove the vehicle to work and the engine warning light came on the way home.

The following morning (27th March 2014) I went back to Barons Woodmead for them to diagnose the fault. After testing the vehicle from Wednesday to Friday they informed me that it was a fuel sensor fault which would be replaced and the vehicle will be tested afterwards. I picked up the vehicle on the 1st of April 2014 after being assured by Barons Woodmead that the problem has been rectified.

I assumed after the fix the vehicle would perform better and I would notice a difference in performance as opposed to my previous Scirocco 2.0 TSI. The performance remained lacklustre. To confirm this I borrowed my brother’s stock standard Scirocco 2.0 TSI and drove the vehicles in succession. This confirmed my suspicion that the Scirocco R that I purchased is slower than my previous car as there was a clear and obvious performance advantage with my brothers Scirocco 2.0 TSI, a car that is down 33KW in power and 70NM in torque with a manual gearbox.

The Engine Warning Light returned the next day, on the evening of the 2nd of April 2014. I returned the vehicle to the dealership on the 3rd of April. Diagnostics stated that it was “Bank1 running lean” again, which was most likely related to the oxygen sensor. A meeting was setup on the 11th of April with VWSA, the dealership and myself to discuss the way forward as I did not want the vehicle at this point and I requested a replacement vehicle. VWSA was unwilling to replace the vehicle, stating it was against their policies as this case did not have enough evidence to warrant a replacement. They then informed me I can go ahead and open a case with the National Consumer Commission or do the repair and I could think the decision over during the weekend. I informed them to go ahead with the repair on the 14th of April.

I was informed that vehicle's repair was in progress at this point and that Barons were checking and replacing possible problem areas such as the rubber seals as well as the injector seals on the 22nd of April 2014. On the 29th of April 2014 it was found that the oxygen sensor was running out of its parameters and would be replaced. Replacement of the oxygen sensor was completed on the 6th of May 2014. Barons service department informed me that the vehicle is running perfectly with no warning lights and the performance of the vehicles performance was restored. They would have to one more drive test on the 8th of May and then release the vehicle to me. On the 8th of May I was informed that the Engine Warning Light returned with the same "Bank1 Running Lean" error during the testing.

I then informed them for the second time that I want a replacement vehicle as I have afforded them two opportunities to repair the vehicle as well as provided them ample time to do so. I have been paying monthly finance instalments for a vehicle that has been in the dealership for most of its life. From the 58 days since I have taken delivery of the vehicle I have only had it in my possession for 11 days.
 
They couldn't even get your name spelled correctly. Shocking, to say the least. Good luck, I hope your issues get resolved.
 
Wow, you pay them the amount some people consider life savings and this is what you get. Sounds like the dealers you dealt with are complete idiots, after the 2nd time the warning returned they should have known there is a serious issue and please explain to me how in the world VW techs cant notice a performance problem in their own car.
 
I remember a similar story about a Golf GTI a few years back on Prophecy Forums. VW had the exact same attitude to the guy. Pity I can't link his story anymore.
 
Damn....and thats after they edited the original typofest of a response.

Edit History said:
Volkswagen South Africa Hi Sibashan. We regret to hear that you've been experiencing this issue with your new Scirocco R. You've done the right thing by referring it one of our authorised workshops - they're adequately skilled to detect the cause of any unforeseen issue, and also have the support of our Technical Specialists. We'd still; like to invlve our Custoemr CAre team - they can liaise with the dealer and hopefully help with the diagnosis and repair.


Volkswagen South Africa Hi Sibashan. We regret to hear that you've been experiencing this issue with your new Scirocco R. You've done the right thing by referring it to one of our authorised workshops - they're adequately skilled to detect the cause of any unforeseen issue, and they also have the support of our Technical Specialists. We'd still like to involve our Customer Care Team - they can liaise with the dealer and help with facilitating the right diagnosis and repair. Please send us a private message, confirming your contact and car details (including the VIN). Regards, Ntsika.

They couldn't even get your name spelled correctly.
Thats an optional extra.
 
My friend owns a Vivo and she had issues from day 1 with her VW, it sat in Bellville for ages while they struggled to fix it, eventually, she took the car back and has lived with the problem since.

That's why I personally will NEVER own a VW! Never!
 
I doubt you are gonna get a satisfactory response, they will just brush you off ala standard SA service levels.

I would settle for nothing but a full refund.
 
I doubt you are gonna get a satisfactory response, they will just brush you off ala standard SA service levels.

I would settle for nothing but a full refund.

Agreed, but then again, I'm sure someone could fix it. There must be someone with brains at VW.
 
Disgusting. Absolutely f***ing disgusting. Get your lawyers involved. They must replace your vehicle and compensate you for your time, distress and interest paid.
 
And people complain about Hyundai and Kia's service ...
Typical South African "it's not my problem - so go away" attitude. :mad:

The only manufacturer who I've heard has good local service is BMW. Just a pity I can't afford one.
 
Epic vehicle but this story would definitely put me off buying one or any VW product for that matter.
 
And people complain about Hyundai and Kia's service ...
Typical South African "it's not my problem - so go away" attitude. :mad:

The only manufacturer who I've heard has good local service is BMW. Just a pity I can't afford one.

One of my colleagues bought a brand new 1 series last year, he's had endless problems since month 2. Engine warning light coming on every couple weeks, many trips and plenty days at a time at dealerships. After a year they still haven't found the problem, and they refuse to replace the vehicle.

Every brand can produce a lemon. And every brand in SA has the same attitude.
 
I would talk to Stannic about this.

It's their vehicle technically and they would push harder to have it fixed.
 
where is rouxenator? he can smile a VAG hate thread from a mile away:D
 
The area the dealership is looking at now is the NetStar tracking unit. Its a bog standard dormant unit that you have to call in to activate. I cant see how that would be causing the engine to run lean. All that unit needs is power and maybe ignition, I cant see it needing any other input from the car.

Still not a word regarding the replacement that I asked for, the second time now, this past Monday.

I have spoken to Stannic and they have said that they can do a substitution of goods once the dealer agrees to the replacement. The agent said theres nothing else he can do from his side but I intend to contact them again and speak to someone higher up.
 
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