Depression.

[Bundu]

If you are being serious i would suggest you keep the nicotine going, you will get depressed from withdrawl so how will you know whether it's the nicotine or your brain?

If you are serious copa, http://www.youtube.com/user/carolinlovecoach?feature=watch watch some of her video's, i would watch as many as you can, even if it's relationship related there are many vids that are not. Watch the relationship ones as well. Just watching and listening to her makes you positive.

Copa i am slightly worried thought, you are going to be shocking your body by quitting all these things at once, how will you know what is causing your depression/mood? Remember becoming a positive person takes time, Every time you think something negative try find the positive, you eventually just do it without having to remember to be positive. what i found helped was a walk, just go outside and walk around and look at how wonderful life is. It sound stupid but many people don't appreciate just how amazing this planet is.

I hope you were not trolling me

I suspect you have been had - but nice gesture on your part... the concern and caring

 

[Alan]

No alcohol. No sugar. No wheat. No nicotine.

might as well throw out dairy as well like I have.

 

[killadoob]

the people I knew understood the world well enough and needed no 'life coaching'/faith boost - their heads were screwed and could only be unscrewed chemically IMO

Ok so explain what part of the brain is broken and how will a chemical fix it, Now you won't be able to answer because their isn't a doctor that knows how to fix depression, that is why there are so many anti depressants, now mostly the makers of the drug are unsure how it really works but somehow it does, this is then handed out to people who then take it. Some people think anti depressants will make you happy and love life again but they don't they just make you go flat, lose emotion, think about suicide and give you side effects. All i would love to see is some life coaching first then drugs.

Copa just as a matter of interest, you are on anti depressants but what help other than the drug are you getting? You say you want to try the positive thing which means you are not a positive person. So explain to us and be honest are you 100% happy when you on the meds, do you love yourself, do you have high self esteem?

 

[HapticSimian]

...life coaching...

Again:

[video=youtube;nVaQGPOAwow]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVaQGPOAwow[/video]

Stop punting crap.

 

[D3nz]

Denz you know how you feel about us that is how we feel about you. You feel depression is a disease many people do not. This is a debate so debate and stop whining because don't we agree with you.

Huh? What are you going on about now? As far as I know, I wasn't whining...and Killa sweetie, I have no feelings about you one way or the other

 

[maumau]

Quite coincidentally, I ran out of my medication 2 days ago (20 mgs of Citalopram daily), and have (probably quite daftly), elected to not use it for some time.

Frankly, it stopped working as it did the beginning (which was likely related to lifestyle changes on my part [drinking a lot ]), and I am going to attempt treatment by way of:

No alcohol. No sugar. No wheat. No nicotine.

Exercise + this apparently wondrous positive thinking thing.

For science!

Copa, is it a good idea to stop suddenly? Good for you wanting to go off your meds but you should do it slowly.

 

[killadoob]

Copa, is it a good idea to stop suddenly? Good for you wanting to go off your meds but you should do it slowly.

Let's wait and see if copa was getting angry with us for not agreeing with him or being genuine, i am not entirely sure it could be a horrible troll or it could be genuine, trolling is fine but this is a serious thread. Not a thread to mock and make people take time out to type posts when you are messing around.

I don't think anyone of us know for certain what works nor do the people diagnosing the disease. the best thing they can do is give a drug and hope it helps the person, if not try another one until you find one that seems to be helping. it would be nice to take a pill and just be happy all day though, the positive pill now whoever comes up with that will die a legend and very rich.

I actually just had a thought that might change my mind slightly. You take a shy person who is depressed with no self esteem and confidence that is very low and get them drunk, what happens? do they get worse? would it make them happier and confident or would it send them to new depths of depression?

 

[maumau]

Gotcha killa

 

[Singal]

Let's wait and see if copa was getting angry with us for not agreeing with him or being genuine, i am not entirely sure it could be a horrible troll or it could be genuine, trolling is fine but this is a serious thread. Not a thread to mock and make people take time out to type posts when you are messing around.

I don't think anyone of us know for certain what works nor do the people diagnosing the disease. the best thing they can do is give a drug and hope it helps the person, if not try another one until you find one that seems to be helping. it would be nice to take a pill and just be happy all day though, the positive pill now whoever comes up with that will die a legend and very rich.

How many more people must tell you that antidepressants work before you believe them ? You go on and on about your life coaching, but readily dismiss others comments. I don't think what you had was even depression.

 

[killadoob]

How many more people must tell you that antidepressants work before you believe them ? You go on and on about your life coaching, but readily dismiss others comments. I don't think what you had was even depression.

Have you actual read my posts, i would go quote em but i am as lazy as you were when reading them.

I only have an issue with drugs being the first option, doctors you know your normal gp will give you an anti depressant if you go in and tell him you have been feeling down, so already you know there is a problem when doctors are handing out anti depressants without knowing a thing about the person or their lives.

I never said drugs don't help and i never said i believe without doubt that drugs don't help. All i have said is the first option should be some sort of life coaching first, i would like to see shrinks ticking three boxes, lack of positive thought, low self confidence, low self esteem if all three boxes get ticked they should then start a few sessions where they try and help with those issues, instead one session and you are handed a script or letter to your doctor, he has the disease give him these drugs. My gripe is not the drugs, it is how easily people are diagnosed and how quickly the drugs are given to them.

On top of that many of the drugs cause suicidal thoughts and anxiety, so now you also need more than likely a benzo of some sort for anxiety. So basically i find it difficult to stomach that depression is diagnosed so quickly and drugs dished out like candy.

 

[Singal]

Have you actual read my posts, i would go quote em i am as lazy as you were when reading them.

I only have an issue with drugs being the first option, doctors you know your normal gp will give you an anti depressant if you go in and tell him you have been feeling down, so already you know there is a problem when doctors are handing out anti depressants without knowing a thing about the person or their life.

I never said don't help and i never said i believe without doubt that drugs don't help. All i have said is the first option should be some sort of life coaching first, i would like to see shrinks ticking three boxes, lack of positive thought, low self confidence, low self esteem if all three boxes get ticked they should then start a few sessions where they try and help with those issues, instead one session and you are handed a script of letter to your doctor, he has the disease give him these drugs. My gripe is not the drugs, it is how easily people are diagnosed and how quickly the drugs are given to them.

So from not believing depression is a disease,you went to antidepressants don't work ,then you went to life coaching and now you have a problem with shrinks?

 

[Seriously]

actually just had a thought that might change my mind slightly.

So you make up things (thoughts) as you tag along?

 

[killadoob]

So from not believing depression is a disease,you went to antidepressants don't work ,then you went to life coaching and now you have a problem with shrinks?

I never said anti depressants don't work, i said there are other methods that should be applied before the drug is dished out basically.
You need to find out why the person is depressed and all depressed people will have a negative outlook on life or they would not be depressed.

A disease is something for the most part that can be identified and dealt with with using drugs but can you explain to me how is depression diagnosed? Now you can go and get tested for aids and you will know yes you have it or you don't but explain the process of claiming an individual has depression and requires medication because nothing else will help. If you can explain how they test for depression and know without a doubt drugs are the only solution you will change my mind. i am not close minded and stubborn if i am wrong i will accept and change my mind, so change my mind.

I believe positive thinking, improving self esteem and confidence will do more for people than dropping tablets down their throats. If it doesn't help then dose them up. I would love to know how they know people need drugs straight away because nothing else will work.

If they are going to call it a disease they should be able to test you for it.

No seriously unlike some people i can read and amazingly the way i think can be wrong or someone can say something that makes me think maybe i am wrong, i am not one of these people who believe something and will never change their mind. i know it shocks you because you never change your mind based on debates, you just stick to one opinion and you won't budge. I don't sit here to try convince people, i like all the stories, i like reading what people think and often i am wrong but at least i accept it while some people will just stick to their original thoughts because changing their mind is scary and people find it odd that a human can get something wrong.

 

[Singal]

I never said anti depressants don't work, i said there are other methods that should be applied before the drug is dished out basically.
You need to find out why the person is depressed and all depressed people will have a negative outlook on life or they would not be depressed.

A disease is something for the most part can be identified and dealt with with using drugs but can you explain to me how is depression diagnosed? Now you can go and get tested for aids and you will know yes you have it or you don't but explain the process of claiming an individual has depression and requires medication because nothing else will help. If you can explain how they test for depression and know without a doubt drugs are the only solution you will change my mind. i am not close minded and stubborn if i am wrong i will accept and change my mind, so change my mind.

I believe positive thinking, improving self esteem and confidence will do more for people than dropping tablets down their throats. If it doesn't help then dose them up. I would love to know how they know people need drugs straight away because nothing else will work.

If they are going to call it a disease they should be able to test you for it.

No seriously unlike some people i can read and amazingly the way i think can be wrong or someone can say something that makes me think maybe i am wrong, i am not one of these people who believe something and will never change their mind. i know it shocks you because you never change your mind based on debates, you just stick to one opinion and you won't budge. I don't sit here to try convince people, i like all the stories, i like reading what people think and often i am wrong but at least i accept while some people will just to their original thoughts because changing their mind is scary.

I've been in that place where medication is the only thing that will take you out from there. It's hard to explain it to someone who's never been there, which is why I say you did not have true depression.

 

[Splinter]

I never said anti depressants don't work, i said there are other methods that should be applied before the drug is dished out basically.
You need to find out why the person is depressed and all depressed people will have a negative outlook on life or they would not be depressed.

A disease is something for the most part that can be identified and dealt with with using drugs but can you explain to me how is depression diagnosed? Now you can go and get tested for aids and you will know yes you have it or you don't but explain the process of claiming an individual has depression and requires medication because nothing else will help. If you can explain how they test for depression and know without a doubt drugs are the only solution you will change my mind. i am not close minded and stubborn if i am wrong i will accept and change my mind, so change my mind.

I believe positive thinking, improving self esteem and confidence will do more for people than dropping tablets down their throats. If it doesn't help then dose them up. I would love to know how they know people need drugs straight away because nothing else will work.

If they are going to call it a disease they should be able to test you for it.

No seriously unlike some people i can read and amazingly the way i think can be wrong or someone can say something that makes me think maybe i am wrong, i am not one of these people who believe something and will never change their mind. i know it shocks you because you never change your mind based on debates, you just stick to one opinion and you won't budge. I don't sit here to try convince people, i like all the stories, i like reading what people think and often i am wrong but at least i accept it while some people will just stick to their original thoughts because changing their mind is scary and people find it odd that a human can get something wrong.

WTF? Are you the same Kdoob from the Viagra thread? Where you have been shown to post that you can't meet people in a social setting (a party) without taking (illegal) drugs of some sort? And you are here telling people they are wrong for taking medication? PLEASE tell me I am wrong. Otherwise I am going to have amazing fun with you, whether you on Viagra or not...

 

[kingrob]

Some doctors & pharmacists fighting here to keep their patients & the huge amount of cash constantly rolling in.....

 

[Splinter]

Some doctors & pharmacists fighting here to keep their patients & the huge amount of cash constantly rolling in.....

You are such an amazing individual. The insights you have with nothing but your own opinion to back it up. Wow. If I was a woman I would really want to have your children....

PS that's sarcasm by the way

 

[killadoob]

I've been in that place where medication is the only thing that will take you out from there. It's hard to explain it to someone who's never been there, which is why I say you did not have true depression.

You mistaken bud, i had it very bad. I hated myself, i hated everything around me, i was never happy and worst of all i felt like life was not really worth it, there were days i hated life so much and i don't know why i did. I was working and had no reason to be depressed. Tried anti depressants and they did help but they didn't help me in a great way, all they did was make me emotionally flat so i was not as bad but i was not exactly happy either. I am not sure which i preferred.

I don't know how to explain the flat part, it's like you are a zombie, You don't feel sad but you are not happy either. Just flat.

My sister told me straight one day that my problem is not a chemical imbalance, she said you hate life because you tell yourself that you do, she was right. Then i googled positive energy and started fixing things, it took months to finally be who i am now without forcing it but it worked more than drugs that made me feel nothing. I would have been stuck feeling nothing for the rest of my life. i tried numerous anti depressants that is how i got into benzo's because most of anti depressants gave me bad anxiety. That is my experience and many other people as well.

Some people will say drugs have done what positive thinking has done for me which is also fine but don't tell me drugs are the only way and please this talk of true depression means what? True depression? Define true depression.

 

[Splinter]

So you make up things (thoughts) as you tag along?

I think it's called coke....

 

[Splinter]

You mistaken bud, i had it very bad. I hated myself, i hated everything around me, i was never happy and worst of all i felt like life was not really worth it, there were days i hated life so much and i don't know why i did. I was working and had no reason to be depressed. Tried anti depressants and they did help but they didn't help me, all they did was make emotionally flat so i was not as bad but i was not exactly happy either.

I don't know how to explain the flat part, it's like you are a zombie, you feel nothing. You don't feel sad but you are not happy either. Just flat.

My sister told me straight one day that my problem is not a chemical imbalance, she said you hate life because you tell yourself that you do, she was right. Then i googled positive energy and started fixing things, it tooks months to finally be who i am now without forcing it but it worked more than drug that made me feel nothing. I would have been stuck feeling nothing for the rest of my life. i tried numerous anti depressant that is how i got into benzo's because most of them gave me bad anxiety. That is my experience and many other people as well.

Some people will say drugs have done what positive thinking has done for me which is also fine but don't tell me drugs are the only way and please this talk of true depression means what? True depression? Define true depression.

But you do Viagra. And you you are amazed with it because you could bang your GF for two hours even though you were drunk and "sniffed up", as I think u put it?