Depression.

[kingrob]

So you a religious monkey then? Why do I not recall you in that section then? Need to go look.

But, a simple question. You are religious then?

Yes, I do believe in God.

 

[kingrob]

You sir, are a ****.
I actually wish depression upon you.
Small man syndrome, look at kingrob big and tough. Go beat your chest somewhere else.

I don't beat my chest, and I'm not my own god. I'm the religious one, remember?

I say that I cannot deal with a lot of things in my life, and pass it on to My Maker to deal with. Work out so much better.

*From a lot of things that has happened in my life, I've come to realize that if you look at other people and think "glad it's not me or happening to me", it usually end up happening to you. So rather not wish something upon me, cos it will happen to you.

 

[kingrob]

The only reason I post in this thread is to help others suffering with this ailment, or family members who don't understand why their loved ones have changed.
Many people feel shame or embarrassment admitting they have depression. They are made to feel this way because of ignorant people who lack knowledge and information about depression. They are called 'emotionally weak' and told to 'man up'. Ignorant people ( and when I say ignorant, I mean people who lack knowledge about depression) do not understand that they cannot just switch off the unhappiness.Some people have the idea that people who are on antidepressants have to be treated with kid gloves and IMO this is not true. All you have to do is be understanding and ditch the criticism and ignorant comments.

There is help and treatment available for people suffering from depression, but because of the stigma attached to this illness, many do not seek it in fear of appearing weak and receiving belittling and shaming comments. I have two loved ones who were diagnosed with this debilitating disease. These are not weak people. Before they ended up with depression, they used to be fun-loving, easy-going and friendly people. One turned into someone who was angry and irritable all the time, and the other turned into someone who was insecure and wanted to "go away". It took me a while to realise that "go away" was a euphemism for committing suicide. Back then, I didn't have a clue about depression.

Most people who have depression don't even understand why they have it. Telling them it's because they don't have faith and religion is like saying God made you sick because you don't believe in him. Should they now find religion and ask God to make them better ?
Telling them to be positive and get over it just makes them feel worse...what's easy for you to do is so much harder for a person suffering with clinical depression. The more thoughtless and ignorant your remarks, the more you perpetuate stigma against mental illness. Try not to be judgemental about something you don't understand. It shouldn't be too hard to differentiate between who can benefit from a dose of positive thinking and who needs to see a medical professional. It's true that doctors do hand out antidepressants like candy, and it's up to the individual to decide whether he/she absolutely needs them or not.

Medication saved my loved ones lives. The other option was ect. Our GP convinced my husband to go for that only as a last resort if medication failed. Sadly, depression makes changes in your brain and you'll either have to be on medication for years or start taking them again when you feel a depressive episode coming on. This is not an easy or a lazy route. It's a life saving route.

So what happened in your husband's life that he could not deal with?

I'm trying to understand if it was a case of something his brain just could not compute, and still struggling to do, or something that has happened to him and he cannot let it go.

 

[HapticSimian]

I don't beat my chest, and I'm not my own god. I'm the religious one, remember?

I say that I cannot deal with a lot of things in my life, and pass it on to My Maker to deal with. Work out so much better.

*From a lot of things that has happened in my life, I've come to realize that if you look at other people and think "glad it's not me or happening to me", it usually end up happening to you. So rather not wish something upon me, cos it will happen to you.

This is not a discussion on the merits of externalising blame and responsibility, so kindly take your proselytising elsewhere.

 

[Nicci]

People should not judge. Especially if you say you are a Christian, you should least of all throw stones. I have fallen into a deep depressed state due to current circumstances, and I am battling to cope. I do not take medication or anything, I just go to sleep, and don't eat. This last two weeks has been exceptionally difficult with a lot of challenges in my work and personal life, and yesterday another blow at work. I am trying to cope but it's damn difficult. People really should not judge if they don't know.

 

[syntax]

Yes, I do believe in God.

I have no idea what this has to do with this, lets keep it on topic

 

[D3nz]

So what happened in your husband's life that he could not deal with?

I'm trying to understand if it was a case of something his brain just could not compute, and still struggling to do, or something that has happened to him and he cannot let it go.

The point you should concern yourself with is that antidepressants helped him to overcome his depression. My husband at least has the luxury of knowing what caused his depression, most people don't...and it does not mean that because his trigger was extremely traumatic that it takes away from anyone elses depression. There are different degrees of depression.

 

[kingrob]

The point you should concern yourself with is that antidepressants helped him to overcome his depression. My husband at least has the luxury of knowing what caused his depression, most people don't...and it does not mean that because his trigger was extremely traumatic that it takes away from anyone elses depression. There are different degrees of depression.

Ok, so I still don't know what caused your husband's depression, but there are levels of depression.

So how would my last eight years rate on a level of depression, if there is something like it?

Eight years ago I moved to Irene, Centurion and started with a new company. Was doing exceptionally well, until I got screwed by my business partner and lost everything that I've worked for and built up all my life.

Had to sell my house, and moved back to Cape Town with absolutely nothing & had to start from scratch.

Found work again, but till this day I'm still paying close to R1000 a month for overdraft interest, etc. because of what has happened to me a few years ago. Most of my friends have a big house, big family, the works. Me, I have absolutely nothing to show.

So is this reason to get a little depressed and have a degree of depression, or is this just life and me busy living it?

 

[FreeStanler]

So depression is this huge thing that nobody can figure out, everyone is just too dumb to understand it & it cannot really be cured.

I say : '' **** depression. ''

Mainstream, status quo medicine is slow moving, and they do not yet know. After the decoding of the human metagenome roughly 10 years ago, a lot of findings have come to the fore, but it is complex, and not yet absorbed by mainstream medicine.

Sometimes depression has an 'external' cause, or such a beginning and then it continues to spiral on its own.

Sometimes depression has no 'external' reason for it at all. Money, healthy relationships and otherwise good health might not stop this kind of depression.

It has been proven that microbes (bacteria) can cross the blood brain barrier into the brain. I posted about this earlier. A whole host of medical, independent, peer reviewed journal references can be found at www.mpkb.org . (One need not follow the treatment itself to look at the independent, peer reviewed medical references.)

These particular microbes proliferate in the brain by deactivating antimicrobial receptors. They can also cause all kinds of mental issues.

My point is this: it is not the fault of the victim for being depressed. There is very real, physical evidence pointing to this. (Mainstream medical science just need to catch up) RiaX also mentioned how the hippocampus is shrinked in a depressed person's brain.

Sometimes one is able to overcome the depression caused by an external event, like the loss of all possesions. That is to be commended. In the same breath, no-one can equate that depression to another person's depression.

PS the Marshall Protocol on mpkb.org claims to be able to cure depression, but it can be a long and arduous process, and 'normal' antidepressants are still advised if it helps you cope. There is highly complex, medical reasoning provided on the site. There is also a section for 'patients' that is easier to understand.

PPS I am not a medical professional, only providing the process my wife and I are following after 'status quo' medicine did not provide much relief.

 

[D3nz]

Ok, so I still don't know what caused your husband's depression, but there are levels of depression.

So how would my last eight years rate on a level of depression, if there is something like it?

Eight years ago I moved to Irene, Centurion and started with a new company. Was doing exceptionally well, until I got screwed by my business partner and lost everything that I've worked for and built up all my life.

Had to sell my house, and moved back to Cape Town with absolutely nothing & had to start from scratch.

Found work again, but till this day I'm still paying close to R1000 a month for overdraft interest, etc. because of what has happened to me a few years ago. Most of my friends have a big house, big family, the works. Me, I have absolutely nothing to show.

So is this reason to get a little depressed and have a degree of depression, or is this just life and me busy living it?

I'm really sorry you've had such a rough time Kingrob Life happens, they affect us in different ways. I can't tell you how you should feel...only you can do that.

 

[kingrob]

I'm really sorry you've had such a rough time Kingrob Life happens, they affect us in different ways. I can't tell you how you should feel...only you can do that.

Ok, but this does qualify for depression, right? And what should be my level?

I'm still amazed at all these wise-asses telling me I'm too stupid to understand depression, etc. when the worst that has happened to them is a tough day at work.

 

[Humberto]

The DSM diagnostic criteria for major depressive disorder can be seen at the following links:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK64063/

http://www.mental-health-today.com/dep/dsm.htm

 

[HapticSimian]

Ok, but this does qualify for depression, right? And what should be my level?

I'm still amazed at all these wise-asses telling me I'm too stupid to understand depression, etc. when the worst that has happened to them is a tough day at work.

Get off your high horse; you are trivialising an insanely complex and rather poorly understood phenomenon. There is no sliding scale to determine what 'level' (are you serious?!) of depression should follow a given string of experiences.

Yes, society might toss about the word with reckless abandon, but you are making light of a condition that can debilitate and - frankly - kill.

 

[kingrob]

I'm really sorry you've had such a rough time Kingrob Life happens, they affect us in different ways. I can't tell you how you should feel...only you can do that.

Thanks for your kind words, MsDenz, much appreciated.

I just refuse to let life drag me under, cos I know that once I'm there, I'm totally screwed.

Just can't let it happen.

 

[kingrob]

Get off your high horse; you are trivialising an insanely complex and rather poorly understood phenomenon. There is no sliding scale to determine what 'level' (are you serious?!) of depression should follow a given string of experiences.

Yes, society might toss about the word with reckless abandon, but you are making light of a condition that can debilitate and - frankly - kill.

Too complex, too this, too that....blah blah blah.

Tell me what is depressing you then, cos it seems everyone on here is incapable of doing just that.

And how old are you?

 

[Velenoso]

You have no ****ing idea what you're talking about.

I'd agree re: Obesity. But with everything else, you don't know jack ****

I think the only thing you qualify to be an expert on is how to act like a cretin

And you guys are all doctors right? If I don't know jack ****, surely you should attempt to enlighten me as opposed to judging and telling me to **** off?

so much fail on what is suppose to be general knowledge ...

You should rather not post in this thread dude.

Is this not a forum where topics are 'discussed'? Maybe you should have a chat instead of trying to hide away.

Well, whatever the case, just be glad you've never had to live with this non-disease yourself, or had to help other people with it.

I know you are incorrect, what more can I say?

You know what the problem is here? I've had a very tough life myself, I was a refugee from a war-torn Balkan country, lost my mother when I was 12 years old. I went ALONE as a refugee to the U.S at 16 years old and worked my ****ing ass off to get to where I am now. If anybody had a reason to be depressed, it was me. But I wasn't. I persevered and methodically changed every single aspect of my life that I was not happy with until... I was happy. It's turned me into an ass hole sure, but I don't put up with **** and one thing I don't put up with is some whiny people who thing they have big problems, but they have their whole families, good jobs/businesses, etc. No problems at all really.

I understand you say it's a disease, but why is this not proven by medical science and the medication guaranteed to work (read: placebo).

When I met my fiancee 6 years ago she was 'depressed' (slitting wrists, etc). Her best friend had died from a drug overdose, etc. I worked on her, she stopped drinking alcohol (was a problem for her, she would get physically sick if she drank one beer even), she moved in with me became positive and she's a very very happy woman right now. No shrink, no drugs nada. Does that qualify as helping someone with it? It does in my book.

If you guys want to wallow in your 'depression' so be it, if not discuss it here and don't discard someone saying have a positive attitude. It is a better solution to me than taking drugs which may or may not even work.

 

[HapticSimian]

Too complex, too this, too that....blah blah blah.

Tell me what is depressing you then, cos it seems everyone on here is incapable of doing just that.

Have I said I suffer from depression? Perhaps I've done a bit more reading than you. Perhaps I've lost loved ones to its effect. Perhaps I'm just not an insufferable boob who derives satisfaction from telling others how their brains should work. I mean, **** medical research, right?

You're not worth engaging on the issue.

 

[HapticSimian]

And you guys are all doctors right? If I don't know jack ****, surely you should attempt to enlighten me as opposed to judging and telling me to **** off?

Rich coming from you; after having summarily dismissed the anguish of so many, you accuse others of judging you?. Regardless of what you may or may not have overcome in your life, you've become someone who can't see past his own privilege. Here's a start, if you're at all actually interested...

 

[kingrob]

Have I said I suffer from depression? Perhaps I've done a bit more reading than you. Perhaps I've lost loved ones to its effect. Perhaps I'm just not an insufferable boob who derives satisfaction from telling others how their brains should work. I mean, **** medical research, right?

You're not worth engaging on the issue.

So you have never been depressed, but knows everything about the subject from reading a few books?

 

[HapticSimian]

So you have never been depressed, but knows everything about the subject from reading a few books?

Where, precicely, did I claim to 'knows' everything? What I do know, however, is enough to conclude that depression is not something to be made light of.