Depression.

MsDenz said:
This actually did happen to someone I know. Dad gave the 17 year old boy the "tough guy" treatment and found him hanging in his bedroom one day. Weirdly enough, he still didn't learn anything and tried to convince my husband to stop taking his antidepressants. He kind of reminds me of the "experts" in this thread.
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Suicide is THE most selfish thing any person can do.
 
kingrob said:
Suicide is THE most selfish thing any person can do.
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No but you see someone who is depressed does need help, they do not need people saying stop being a fking baby and gunning them. They need somebody to show them life is great, they need a life coach not drugs and shrinks.

Life coaches work on the issues causing the depression, as i have mentioned many times now. Low self esteem, confidence, positive outlook. Basically they need to learn to love themselves but they need help. I just find it disgusting that depressed people are stuffed full of addictive drugs with bad side effects when all they need is someone to change their outlook on life. They need someone to show them they are beautiful and unique. Sadly most depressed people stay depressed and will be life long drug addicts because nobody helps them change their outlook.

Sure talking to a shrink about your feelings is all good and well but how is that helping? Life coaches should be the very first thing a depressed tries or the parents of a depressed child. Shrink or doctor will listen, write the script. Boom you have just condemned yourself or child to life of depression.

O for the drug people, how many depressed people commit suicide on the drugs? It even says, may cause suicidal thoughts on the fking insert. Yes that is right depressed people are getting drugs that might cause suicidal thoughts. Big help that is, go look at the side effects. How on earth people can defend using drugs as the first resort is beyond me.
 
killadoob said:
So then do me a favour and flip off and stop chatting here if you cannot have a debate without freaking out if people don't agree but i can tell you they tell your doctor what to prescribe or they do it themselves depending on the situation.

So the first thing they do is get you on drugs. They do not offer positivity options at all upfront. They do not try and work on confidence and self esteem first, drugs drugs and more drugs. Then they give you an anti depressant but it causes anxiety so they give you anxiety tablets as well so now you are on two drugs because you are depressed.
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Exactly the bollocks I expected from you. If it ain't the evil US, it's the evil drug empire. How's your dependence on sleeping tablets and migraine cocktails coming along?

killadoob said:
It is all about money, that is why i would suggest anyone that depressed or thinks they are should go to a life coach and not shrink or doctor. They work on self esteem confidence and attitude towards life. How is it life coaches are curing depression with no drugs? impossible surely? When i look at the side effects of anti depressants it makes me feel depressed.
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You fell for the life coaching ruse? Can't say I'm in the least bit surprised.

[video=youtube;nVaQGPOAwow]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVaQGPOAwow[/video]

killadoob said:
Explain to me how there are people curing depression without drugs if it cannot be done without drugs?
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Who, precisely, said it can't? It is not a well understood phenomenon. Drugs help some people, singing kumbaya helps others. What doesn't help anyone is a bunch of keyboard warriors dismissing the consensus that depression - not feeling a bit offish - genuine depression is a recognised medical condition.
 
kingrob said:
Suicide is THE most selfish thing any person can do.
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A person suffering from depression does not think that way. From my experience I will tell you that they somehow convince themselves that nobody cares if they're not around, so they don't see it as selfish. They feel it's the only way to escape their unhappiness and pain.
 
Yup it is recognized so the drug companies can push out big sales.

They have done such a good job of convincing people that depression is a disease drugs are now the norm.

Sadly for many people on drugs they will never truly be cured unless they fix their underlying issues. You can tell me it is an imbalance within the brain but there is no possible way anti depressants are magically repairing it.

Anyways the first thing a depressed person should do is go to a life coach who won't just hand out drugs, they will try fix the brain(well not the brain but how it looks at life) without chemicals that cause suicidal thoughts.
 
copacetic said:
Cheers, Haptic. I just ran out of energy to engage.

Thanks.
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Yeah, as I said before its not worth it and by that I meant actually getting in a debate about someones depression as it's an condition that changes from person to person and it normally very specific and personal and no two persons would have the same circumstances that make them depressed.

Arguing with some members may even lead to major depression in the first place.

Hope you will be better soon.
Cheers
 
MsDenz said:
A person suffering from depression does not think that way. From my experience I will tell you that they somehow convince themselves that nobody cares if they're not around, so they don't see it as selfish. They feel it's the only way to escape their unhappiness and pain.
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I agree! and it's the ignorant ones left behind that then attribute the act to attention seeking/being selfish.... but I think this thread is probably not convincing the staunch - as expected
 
MsDenz said:
A person suffering from depression does not think that way. From my experience I will tell you that they somehow convince themselves that nobody cares if they're not around, so they don't see it as selfish. They feel it's the only way to escape their unhappiness and pain.
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Convince themselves, yup exactly. They need someone to convince them people do care and they will be fine, they do not need drugs.
 
killadoob said:
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Anyways the first thing a depressed person should do is go to a life coach who won't just hand out drugs, they will try fix the brain(well not the brain but how it looks at life) without chemicals that cause suicidal thoughts.
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Absolutely! And on the way home they can pick up some PowerBalance bracelets, a Trojan home gym from Verimark and a handful of magic crystals. You've been conned.
 
killadoob said:
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Anyways the first thing a depressed person should do is go to a life coach who won't just hand out drugs, they will try fix the brain(well not the brain but how it looks at life) without chemicals that cause suicidal thoughts.
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oh, I'm sure if they were licensed and clinically educated, they would hand out drugs
 
copacetic said:
Personally, I love the debate. Opinions are like arseholes though - We all have one, and they generally stink. :D
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People will always question what they don't understand, but man the people in this thread take it to a new level :D
 
MsDenz said:
Wrong! Speak to a depressed person on suicide watch.
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Tell me are those people on drugs? were they on drugs and are there people giving them some positivity or any kind of therapy. Giving them water and pills is not therapy.

Is it kinda like a room and drugs? There is no therapy at all is there? Do you know if that person for instance was on drugs and the reason they find themselves on suicide watch is a side effect of anti depressants would be suicidal thoughts. So once again i will ask what kind of help were they given? what kind of life coaching did they get, were they on drugs before and lastly are they put on drugs while they are in the ward?

I honestly have no idea.

Denz you know how you feel about us that is how we feel about you. You feel depression is a disease many people do not. This is a debate so debate and stop whining because don't we agree with you. Copa stop getting emo on us pal.

Oddly i do not disagree i just wonder why life coaching is not the first step, why give despressed people drugs that make them want to commit suicide. How do drugs even make it out the door if they cause suicidal thoughts :eek:
 
Quite coincidentally, I ran out of my medication 2 days ago (20 mgs of Citalopram daily), and have (probably quite daftly), elected to not use it for some time.

Frankly, it stopped working as it did the beginning (which was likely related to lifestyle changes on my part [drinking a lot :o]), and I am going to attempt treatment by way of:

No alcohol. No sugar. No wheat. No nicotine.

Exercise + this apparently wondrous positive thinking thing. :rolleyes: :D

For science!
 
killadoob said:
Tell me are those people on drugs? were they on drugs and are there people giving them some positivity or any kind of therapy. Giving them water and pills is not therapy.

Is it kinda like a room and drugs? There is no therapy at all is there? Do you know if that person for instance was on drugs and the reason they find themselves on suicide watch is a side effect of anti depressants would be suicidal thoughts. So once again i will ask what kind of help were they given? what kind of life coaching did they get, were they on drugs before and lastly are they put on drugs while they are in the ward?
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the people I knew understood the world well enough and needed no 'life coaching'/faith boost - their heads were screwed and could only be unscrewed chemically IMO
 
copacetic said:
Quite coincidentally, I ran out of my medication 2 days ago (20 mgs of Citalopram daily), and have (probably quite daftly), elected to not use it for some time.

Frankly, it stopped working as it did the beginning (which was likely related to lifestyle changes on my part [drinking a lot :o]), and I am going to attempt treatment by way of:

No alcohol. No sugar. No wheat. No nicotine.

Exercise + this apparently wondrous positive thinking thing. :rolleyes: :D

For science!
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If you are being serious i would suggest you keep the nicotine going, you will get depressed from withdrawl so how will you know whether it's the nicotine or your brain?

If you are serious copa, http://www.youtube.com/user/carolinlovecoach?feature=watch watch some of her video's, i would watch as many as you can, even if it's relationship related there are many vids that are not. Watch the relationship ones as well. Just watching and listening to her makes you positive.

Copa i am slightly worried thought, you are going to be shocking your body by quitting all these things at once, how will you know what is causing your depression/mood? Remember becoming a positive person takes time, Every time you think something negative try find the positive, you eventually just do it without having to remember to be positive. what i found helped was a walk, just go outside and walk around and look at how wonderful life is. It sound stupid but many people don't appreciate just how amazing this planet is.

I hope you were not trolling me :(
 
copacetic said:
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As an aside, nearly 5 months since having quit smoking this side. If you can manage that you'll likely feel a lot better 'bout most other things as a result. Grab Allen Carr's Easyway to Stop Smoking if you haven't yet - atrociously poorly written, but if you can make the shift in perspective expounded in the book you're golden.
 
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