Depression.

I was assuredly not trolling.

Going through a bit of withdrawal. Got a headache of note, and I feel like upchucking. :sick:

Can't keep up with responding to the thread for now, but I am reading it so long.
 
Spunkywunky1 said:
WTF? Are you the same Kdoob from the Viagra thread? Where you have been shown to post that you can't meet people in a social setting (a party) without taking (illegal) drugs of some sort? And you are here telling people they are wrong for taking medication? PLEASE tell me I am wrong. Otherwise I am going to have amazing fun with you, whether you on Viagra or not... :)
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Yup i am, it is coping method that i have yet to kick, copa is on drugs and he also freaks out when there are new people. So i am not sure what fun you plan on having because obviously the drugs have not changed his issues but have fun in a good way because i am not saying drugs cannot help nor am i saying positive thinking is the only method.

I may be a bit shy still but i can go to braai with my mates without anything and be fine, it's new people that i use drugs to help me cope but i don't rely on them to get me to the party or to go out. Where as before i never wanted to out, i thought everyone was judging me and i would stay at home and moan about how crap my life was. Now i love going out, i don't sit at home thinking how crap my life is.

Let's have some fun with this though because it is fascinating that a few drinks/lines remove all my worries and make me relaxed. Copa uses anti depressants and he cannot cope sometimes. So what does that mean i wonder? He perhaps needs to add some anxiety meds like a benzo to chill him out.
 
Spunkywunky1 said:
But you do Viagra. And you you are amazed with it because you could bang your GF for two hours even though you were drunk and "sniffed up", as I think u put it?
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Yup, do you know how awesome having sex is when you are high or drunk? well i never did until i bought viagra.
 
killadoob said:
Yup i am, it is coping method that i have yet to kick, copa is on drugs and he also freaks out when there are new people. So i am not sure what fun you plan on having because obviously the drugs have not changed his issues but have fun in a good way because i am not saying drugs cannot help nor am i saying positive thinking is the only method.

I may be a bit shy still but i can go to braai with my mates without anything and be fine, it's new people that i use drugs to help me cope but i don't rely on them to get me to the party or to go out. Where as before i never wanted to out, i thought everyone was judging me and i would stay at home and moan about how crap my life was. Now i love going out, i don't sit at home thinking how crap my life is.

Let's have some fun with this though because it is fascinating that a few drinks/lines remove all my worries and make me relaxed. Copa uses anti depressants and he cannot cope sometimes. So what does that mean i wonder? He perhaps needs to add some anxiety meds like a benzo to chill him out.
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Before I go all nuclear on you, my understanding of your posts in this thread is that you have been saying that those that "feel" depressed and take medication are wrong. And should rather just think positive thoughts. Would that be correct?
 
killadoob said:
Yup i am, it is coping method that i have yet to kick, copa is on drugs and he also freaks out when there are new people. So i am not sure what fun you plan on having because obviously the drugs have not changed his issues but have fun in a good way because i am not saying drugs cannot help nor am i saying positive thinking is the only method.

I may be a bit shy still but i can go to braai with my mates without anything and be fine, it's new people that i use drugs to help me cope but i don't rely on them to get me to the party or to go out. Where as before i never wanted to out, i thought everyone was judging me and i would stay at home and moan about how crap my life was. Now i love going out, i don't sit at home thinking how crap my life is.

Let's have some fun with this though because it is fascinating that a few drinks/lines remove all my worries and make me relaxed. Copa uses anti depressants and he cannot cope sometimes. So what does that mean i wonder? He perhaps needs to add some anxiety meds like a benzo to chill him out.
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After reading the viagra thread, I can only conclude that you enjoy trolling. Possibly the drugs make you do it. I can only wonder what people who need help and search depression threads will make of this one.
 
Spunkywunky1 said:
Before I go all nuclear on you, my understanding of your posts in this thread is that you have been saying that those that "feel" depressed and take medication are wrong. And should rather just think positive thoughts. Would that be correct?
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Nope i have maintained that depression is to easily diagnosed and drugs are handed out without checking and making sure they do actually have some sort of brain issue, i feel sad, i hate life, i can never feel happy. Doctor: here you go take this letter to your doctor. Boom 30 minutes and i am clinically depressed. My issue is there is not enough information gathered before you get told you are depressed and given drugs. They want to talk about your childhood, they want to know random shyte. They never ask how is your self esteem and confidence? If you see something do you see it in a positive way or negative way. so basically they do not actually check if you are depressed because you hate yourself and your life, they want to talk about what happened to you as a child and what teenage years what were those like? Do you ever feel happy?

At no point do they get into whether you are negative or positive because they know you will be negative, they know low self esteem will be there and they know without self esteem there is no confidence but they yes you are clinically depressed.

That is my gripe. It's not helping patients when they are not being helped in the correct way and the correct way is to ensure they are positive because without positivity you will get depressed. I just don't believe long term anti depressant help for some people.
 
pampoenskyf said:
If it's not a good idea why do it?
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Frankly, because if I am going to embark on this, I'd rather not waste money purchasing a month's supply of Cilift, just to taper it off.

Look, it will suck for a week or so, but then I'll either be more depressed than ever, or feeling better due to the other dietary changes I am making.
 
Singal said:
After reading the viagra thread, I can only conclude that you enjoy trolling. Possibly the drugs make you do it. I can only wonder what people who need help and search depression threads will make of this one.
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see people who are clueless will call troll, you have yet to define true depression and after reading what i wrote i would say that is pretty much depression. So before you call people trolls you should try and answer their questions.

So again i will ask, define true depression and how do they diagnose it? O well look i am trolling again obviously because i know you can't define depression nor can you diagnose depression with absolute certainty.

Remember sometimes anti depressants help people see that positivity is good and also helps while on the drug.
 
copacetic said:
Frankly, because if I am going to embark on this, I'd rather not waste money purchasing a month's supply of Cilift, just to taper it off.

Look, it will suck for a week or so, but then I'll either be more depressed than ever, or feeling better due to the other dietary changes I am making.
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So this is nothing more than an experiment on your part?
When last did you go for a re-evaluation on your drugs. Is this a financial issue?
 
HapticSimian said:
Google broken on your end?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_depressive_disorder
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dysthymia

You can read this for extra credit.
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I raise you this: http://www.mindalive.com/1_0/techtalksports.htm
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/prime-your-gray-cells/201108/happy-brain-happy-life

So if people are very negative they are damaging their brain leading to depression, whether it's true i am not sure but i know all depressed people are negative and unhappy.

So naturally they will be depressed. That is my point you can fix your brain with positive thoughts because it will make you happy which will then help you. None of this is mentioned when they diagnose you.
 
Spunkywunky1 said:
Lol. Listen drug addict - get help. And don't you dare comment on those with real medical conditions again. You are so frikkin high you cannot see what a complete idiot you are. Anyway, I better chill before I say something really nasty.
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oddly you seem like you need help, very defensive when i am suggesting drugs may not be the only way. Are you a very negative person? Sounds like you might be depressed as well. See i am positive so i don't freak out when you abuse me, you sound like you are on drugs not me bud. I think perhaps you should go to bed before my positive talk makes your mind explode because you hate life so much :D.

Sleep tight.

spunk while you are chilling out read this please, wait i am saying please to someone who has such a foul mouth hahah o well we all have those days when we freak out i guess.

http://www.mindalive.com/1_0/techtalksports.htm
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/...ain-happy-life

I would love the guys who have tuned me broken to comment on those two sites, copa i would also like your opinion dude, i don't know why people are freaking out at me and king for saying certain things can help depression. Religion can make you happy which could help. Am i saying religion is a cure no but one thing i reckon is that negative people are way more likely to become clinically depressed.

Spunk if you need help or advice i can give it to you and help you because you seem way too angry and bitter, you have not taken a moment to think about anything and you have just abused me and king. What are you on right now that is making you so angry dude?
 
@killa, just for interest sake, have you ever spoken to a diagnosed depression suffer about this? Say maybe someone diagnosed as bi-polar?
 
pampoenskyf said:
Good idea dude...
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Sigh. It is. :)


killadoob said:
oddly you seem like you need help, very defensive when i am suggesting drugs may not be the only way. Are you a very negative person? Sounds like you might be depressed as well. See i am positive so i don't freak out when you abuse me, you sound like you are on drugs not me bud. I think perhaps you should go to bed before my positive talk makes your mind explode because you hate life so much :D.

Sleep tight.
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Aai. Is there a place on this forum where we can have a poll? If there is, I will put up a prize of R500 to someone who has the best response to this post. And I am not joking.

I will be the one and final judge though. :)
 
pampoenskyf said:
@killa, just for interest sake, have you ever spoken to a diagnosed depression suffer about this? Say maybe someone diagnosed as bi-polar?
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Can I ask why you are humoring him? When he is a self-confessed coke addict who is criticizing people here for taking medication for depression. All the while trumpeting that self confidence is the way to go. After having said he cannot meet people in a social situation without cocaine...
 
just want to know if he has had dialogue with a depression sufferer. For some reason he thinks a Patch Adams approach will do the trick :p
 
killadoob said:
I raise you this: http://www.mindalive.com/1_0/techtalksports.htm
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/prime-your-gray-cells/201108/happy-brain-happy-life
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I give you three wiki entries with nearly 400 references between them, and you respond with a magazine article and a blurb on a website selling electronic doohickeys? Are you drunk again?

killadoob said:
So if people are very negative they are damaging their brain leading to depression, whether it's true i am not sure but i know all depressed people are negative and unhappy.
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Chicken and egg; sometimes this way 'round, sometimes the opposite. Not really relevant.

killadoob said:
So naturally they will be depressed. That is my point you can fix your brain with positive thoughts because it will make you happy which will then help you. None of this is mentioned when they diagnose you.
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I don't think anyone would dispute that there's certainly reason for caution - many doctors are quite likely way too eager to prescribe anti-depressants. What should follow, however, is a judgement on those medical practitioners and not the blanket dismissal of the diagnosis.

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As an added bonus, a comment on the first article from the author herself:

The problem with articles
Submitted by Susan Reynolds on August 3, 2011 - 6:36am.
I'm very sorry if you were offended. I suppose we should have included a disclaimer to the effect that we are not addressing biochemical imbalances, such as clinical depression, bipolar, schizophrenia, or any other brain chemistry imbalance that requires medication. This article was written for those multitudes who experience mild, situational depression, similar to a nagging case of the blues, or someone who tends to be pessimistic. Anyone who has been prescribed medication for biochemical imbalances needs medication and should not read this article as any sort of recommendation to "think on the bright side" to relieve their medical problems. That being said, retraining your brain to think more positively and optimistically has the ability to affect the way your brain functions, so a combination of medication and mindfulness meditation or other methods of thought intervention, for example, may help those with milder depression
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Try harder.
 
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