Depression.

I am an incurable optimist, pro-active and outgoing. Climbed mountains and went deep into the ocean, discovering it beauty. Involved in many community-building activities because I love to improve things around me. I set the temperature and not measure it. However, sudden spells of weakness led GP's to prescribe amitryptilene after a few minutes' chat. That medicatuion made me depressed!

The depression was eventually exposed as having been blood glucose issues and other food allergies or intolerances. Diet set right and gone are the spells of depression. Dietician did not help either as only Richard Branson can afford what she prescribed!

Don't understimate the effect that some foodstuffs may have on your body. If I eat something as bad as a hotdog, it leaves me "hanging on my last thread" within a few minutes and that "depression" may last for a few hours. A diet of lean chicken, green veggies, some beetroot and little starch helps a lot. I also started drinking green chinese tea sans additives or earl gery with a little milk but no sugar. Coffee: once a weak.....week....no, I am weak...... :D
 
Nick333 said:
It'd be even better spent if you learnt something as well.
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And what,pray tell, would that be? Doobs has dominated this thread with his ridiculous assertions to such an extent that there was hardly any opportunity for anyone to learn anything.
 
copacetic said:
GPs will hand out AD scripts to new patients after a fifteen minute consultation.

This is absolutely true, and not a good thing.

Not every doctor, obviously, but it happens more often than not, believe me.
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Absolutely true!
 
Singal said:
And what,pray tell, would that be? Doobs has dominated this thread with his ridiculous assertions to such an extent that there was hardly any opportunity for anyone to learn anything.
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I posted a pretty good primer on CBT earlier. A form of therapy that is winning increasing favor with the NHS in the UK and of course lots of opposition from the old guard.
 
Dutchuncle777 said:
I am an incurable optimist, pro-active and outgoing. Climbed mountains and went deep into the ocean, discovering it beauty. Involved in many community-building activities because I love to improve things around me. I set the temperature and not measure it. However, sudden spells of weakness led GP's to prescribe amitryptilene after a few minutes' chat. That medicatuion made me depressed!

The depression was eventually exposed as having been blood glucose issues and other food allergies or intolerances. Diet set right and gone are the spells of depression. Dietician did not help either as only Richard Branson can afford what she prescribed!

Don't understimate the effect that some foodstuffs may have on your body. If I eat something as bad as a hotdog, it leaves me "hanging on my last thread" within a few minutes and that "depression" may last for a few hours. A diet of lean chicken, green veggies, some beetroot and little starch helps a lot. I also started drinking green chinese tea sans additives or earl gery with a little milk but no sugar. Coffee: once a weak.....week....no, I am weak...... :D
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Yup, that is a good option to look into but i am sure signal and co have good diet and know what their blood type should avoid, although with the drugs why bother going to all that effort. Natural ways don't work apparently only chemicals handed out like candy works.

Imagine beating depression purely via diet :eek: signal i guess that is also a load of BS right?

http://www.webmd.com/depression/guide/cognitive-behavioral-therapy-for-depression

Hey nick it's all BS bud, only drugs work. CBT is the first step not drugs but it is very expensive in this country, 500+ a session. You can do it on your own but you have to think it can work.

I basically did that using youtube and google, took a few months but i got there.
 
killadoob said:
Yup, that is a good option to look into but i am sure signal and co have good diet and know what their blood type should avoid, although with the drugs why bother going to all that effort. Natural ways don't work apparently only chemicals handed out like candy works.

Imagine beating depression purely via diet :eek: signal i guess that is also a load of BS right?
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I imagine you are just being sarcastic, but I don't think anyone has made a statement like that, hmm?

I think just about everyone agrees that doing it without chemicals is the best option, and have agreed that chemicals being handed out like candy is not a good idea.

The only truly silly assertion I've seen in this thread is the notion that those who truly need medication to survive, don't need it. That is just as irresponsible an opinion, as the behaviour of those you mock for handing out drugs like sweets.
 
Nick333 said:
I posted a pretty good primer on CBT earlier. A form of therapy that is winning increasing favor with the NHS in the UK and of course lots of opposition from the old guard.
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Okay, so I've been to google and I can see how CBT alone would help someone with mild to moderate depression which is what we've been saying all along 'not everyone that has depression requires antidepressants'.

And according to the same site 'The combination of cognitive therapy and antidepressants is recommended for patients with severe or chronic depression', which is also what we've been saying, 'clinical or major depression requires antidepressants '. It cannot be overcome by positivity and therapy alone.

So, yes, I can see how CBT together with antidepressants can benefit someone suffering from severe depression.
 
Singal said:
Okay, so I've been to google and I can see how CBT alone would help someone with mild to moderate depression which is what we've been saying all along 'not everyone that has depression requires antidepressants'.

And according to the same site 'The combination of cognitive therapy and antidepressants is recommended for patients with severe or chronic depression', which is also what we've been saying, 'clinical or major depression requires antidepressants '. It cannot be overcome by positivity and therapy alone.

So, yes, I can see how CBT together with antidepressants can benefit someone suffering from severe depression.
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The problem is they do not take the time to ensure you which one you are, if you have some symptoms bam here are your drugs.

That is what i have been talking about, first step should not be handing out drugs on the first visit. You need to make damn sure the person has a certain depression, so if a professional can see low self esteem, low confidence, negative thinking why do they still hand out drugs knowing all they need is someone to change those aspects and they will be fine? Sadly it's drugs and more drugs without offering advice, like saying you know i think you need to a see specialist who can help you in area's that i am not sure drugs can.

Anyways glad you can finally see how easily depressed people are put on drugs when they don't need to be. As long as they know for sure you have something severe than i am all for it but professionals are handing out drugs in 15-60 minutes, that is not enough time to determine what type of depression they are dealing with. Runs all those tests and make sure you are not giving some poor person drugs when they just need help with certain aspects of their lives.
 
Erm, I'd love to know where anyone has been arguing against the fact that people are often too readily put on medication?

This thread has exploded into a whole lot of talking, and very little listening...
 
killadoob said:
Yup, that is a good option to look into but i am sure signal and co have good diet and know what their blood type should avoid, although with the drugs why bother going to all that effort. Natural ways don't work apparently only chemicals handed out like candy works.
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What?
 
porchrat said:
What?
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The blood type diet is based on the belief of naturopath James D'Adamo that one's diet should be determined by one's blood type. Like many self-confident mavericks before him, D'Adamo appealed to intuition for his brainstorm ("over the years, he recognized that each of the 4 blood types thrived on certain foods and physical activities") and anecdotes rather than controlled studies to support the validity of his ideas. His son, also a naturopath, Peter J. D'Adamo (whom the rest of this entry is about) is a fruit that did not fall far from the tree. He has written several books, and travels the world promoting the blood type diet.

There is no reasonable scientific basis for the claim that blood type should determine one's diet, though Peter claims to have collected "over 1,000 scientific articles on blood types and their correlations to disease, biochemistry, nutrition, and anthropology."* Even so, he's never done a controlled study on blood type diets. Yet, he claims that blood type determines body chemistry to such an extent that those with type A blood should go vegetarian and meditate, those with type O should eliminate grains and do aerobics. He suggests similar nonsense for types B and AB.
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http://www.skepdic.com/bloodtypediet.html

And off we go...
 
copacetic said:
Erm, I'd love to know where anyone has been arguing against the fact that people are often too readily put on medication?

This thread has exploded into a whole lot of talking, and very little listening...
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It's has taken signal how long to see that positive thinking can help people. Don't tell me people have not been arguing against, signal just said o i googled it and i can see how this could help. He has been chatting about it for how many days now?

Naaa copa maybe you missed the abused and blah blah but people have not been listening, it has taking a lot to get them to see depression is not as simple and easy as a drug. If signal has finally seen it then you know something amazing has just happened :D.
 
copacetic said:
Erm, I'd love to know where anyone has been arguing against the fact that people are often too readily put on medication?

This thread has exploded into a whole lot of talking, and very little listening...
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doobie-doo seems to register a comparatively small percentage of what's directed at him. I've seen others 'argue' in a similar fashion, although usually in a different section of MyBB. It's probably not his fault, coke-addled brain an' all.
 
killadoob said:
It's has taken signal how long to see that positive thinking can help people. Don't tell me people have not been arguing against, signal just said o i googled it and i can see how this could help. He has been chatting about it for how many days now?

Naaa copa maybe you missed the abused and blah blah but people have not been listening, it has taking a lot to get them to see depression is not as simple and easy as a drug. If signal has finally seen it then you know something amazing has just happened :D.
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This is not at all the impression I have gotten. I think you are possibly confusing the statement 'people who need medication, will not be helped by positive thinking alone' with 'positive thinking cannot help any depressed person' (which is not a statement that has been made once in this thread, as far as I am aware).

As for your latter statement, again, I simply don't see it said anywhere in this thread that depression is easily cured by popping a pill. Many of the people disagreeing with some of your statements are depressed/have been depressed, and believe me, we know it's not a simple issue.

Honestly killa, based on your repeated requests for me to comment on things I have already mentioned numerous times in the thread, and your persistent misrepresentation (not intentional, I am sure) of the positions people hold, I am at a bit of a loss as to how to reasonably engage with you about this, really.

I completely believe your heart is in the right place though, I'll give you that.
 
copacetic said:
http://www.skepdic.com/bloodtypediet.html

And off we go...
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Naaaa you would never believe something like this could be true because you read one article. So i won't even bother :D.

Dude i cannot keep up with every post, sometimes i ask a question and you may reply and 3 pages have gone by, it isn't that easy getting abused and then trying to remember who you ask and then remembering to ensure you check for answers :D.

the whole point was that there too many people out there on drugs when they do not need them. Signal has now realized that so it's done now. If signal can see it anyone can see.

I know what you said, you cannot think any different, it's impossible. So then there you go, you just diagnosed yourself with depression and it's impossible to be anything else. I remember saying to my parents when i was younger that it was impossible to be happy because i had a chemical imbalance in my brain and i stood by that for a few years before i decided to give that whole positive energy a proper go but i understand some people can't do it. They just don't have the right brain mixture to be anything but depressed.

Sadly the positive energy and behavioral changes will never take off when drugs are the first step and there is no recommendation to try CBt but hopefully people see that there are other first step options out there.

It is the professionals determining who does and does not need meds copa, they generally determine you need meds. So how can anyone be getting confused virtually everyone who thinks they are depressed gets given meds. People who have been through the right methods yes fine but those who get them in less than hour they need them copa, the professionals said so.
 
killadoob said:
No no these days they do not go to such extremes, they just say you should try and avoid this and try and avoid while eating this and that.

Certain things like don't dairy with wheat for instance would be an example, that is not to say you cannot eat both but you should not eat them at the same time.

It's way different to you picking a site to make it look ridiculous. You can also have your blood work done in a lab to see if you should avoid any foods entirely because allergic reactions to food can make you depressed without even know about it. That is why depression if it is going to be treated as a disease it should be run like a disease, with tests to ensure you have the disease.
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That's fine, nothing with dietary suggestions - They do have to be based on science though, otherwise they are meaningless.

I didn't pick a site to specifically ridicule. Typing 'Skeptic + 'whatever you are googling', is generally a good way to cut through the bull**** though, of just about anything.

If there is evidence for any sort of 'blood type diet, I am open to it, sure.
 
copacetic said:
That's fine, nothing with dietary suggestions - They do have to be based on science though, otherwise they are meaningless.

I didn't pick a site to specifically ridicule. Typing 'Skeptic + 'whatever you are googling', is generally a good way to cut through the bull**** though, of just about anything.

If there is evidence for any sort of 'blood type diet, I am open to it, sure.
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No i just thought let me leave it alone, it would only bring back haptic to offer nothing but attacks about coke head haha.

Here is a post i found for you to read, i can link to sites that promote eating for blood type but they will be based on that theory, it easier to go to a lab and get them to confirm what should be avoided.
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?v-print/m-1290403592/

That is based on blood work, you can tell what your body cannot tolerate with a blood test, something all depressed people should have done. If you dig a little that guys theory is not far off but these days you can just get your blood work done and know what to avoid eating. So it is an exact science if you go to a lab and get it done.

http://www.davita.com/kidney-disease/diet-and-nutrition/diet-basics/working-with-a-dietitian/e/5318
http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/Dietitians
http://my.clevelandclinic.org/healt...registered_dietitian_in_your_health_care.aspx

I would say it could be an exact science when they check your blood work results and develop a list of things to eat and avoid.

That is why i pointed out you linked the worst option when dietitians don't look at some list for blood A and work off google, they use your blood work to determine it. Anyways i guess let's not get into the whole diet causing depression issue.
 
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