Do we need a harder lockdown?

Do we need a harder lockdown?

  • Yes Level 5

    Votes: 88 15.9%

  • Yes Level 4

    Votes: 62 11.2%

  • Give Level 3 a chance

    Votes: 158 28.5%

  • Downgrade to Level 2

    Votes: 21 3.8%

  • Downgrade to Level 1

    Votes: 30 5.4%

  • End lockdown

    Votes: 187 33.7%

  • Other

    Votes: 9 1.6%
  • Total voters
    555
LCBXX said:
Are you working in a public hospital?
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No. Private. The reason being that only the Western Cape Government (state hospitals) has a volunteer system in place. The rest of the provinces don't have one in place. It's a disgrace.
 
Prawnapple said:
All the people who voted "end lockdown" - What do you suppose we do with the "no beds available in hospitals" situation?
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They closed the emergency field hospitals because they were not being used.

https://www.thesouthafrican.com/news/cticc-field-hospital-closed-western-cape-brackengate/

As for the no beds available in hospitals situation, that is simply socialist rationing. Which happens when you have a socialist healthcare system.

Was covid to blame in 2019?
“In 2018 Charlotte Maxeke Johannesburg Hospital admitted 43,529 patients, while Chris Hani Baragwanath Hospital admitted 104,495 patients. Due to various reasons, such as a high number of acute and intensive care unit (ICU) beds, patient-related issues, infrastructure and equipment-related issues, both hospitals had to cancel or defer planned theatre procedures,” said health department spokesperson Kwara Kekana.


https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/so...ring-theatre-procedures-at-gauteng-hospitals/
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And 2015:
Intensive care (ICU) in South Africa (SA) is a resource restricted environment. Of the total number of public hospitals in SA, only 23% have been shown to have ICU facilities. Furthermore, 86% of these beds are concentrated between Gauteng, Kwazulu‐Natal and the Western Cape. The bed: population ratio in these provinces is 1:20 000 but ranges from 1:30 000 to 1:80 000 in other provinces. ICU beds make up 1.7% of the total number of public sector beds. (1) Compounding the limited physical bed status is the scarcity of trained ICU staff. Scribante et al. (2) showed that only 25.6% of ICU nurses are ICU trained, 3.8% were neonatal ICU nurses, 49.2% are registered nurses and 21.4% are semi‐professional nurses. The nurse to bed ratio is 1.1 nurse per ICU bed. The international gold standard for nurse to bed ratio was determined by Williams and Clark (3) to be 6.7, which SA and many developing countries, fall short of. Bhagwanjee et al. (4) highlighted the shortage of qualified intensivists, with only 4% of all units being led by a qualified intensivist. The intensivist deficit in 2007 was estimated to be 291 which impacts on cost and quality of care.
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And this isn't just a South African thing, you get your socialist breadlines whenever you have socialism.

Oh look, the NHS have been in perpetual shortages for decades.
So how few beds are there?
Hospitals operate close to full capacity. A decade ago, about 75% of beds in emergency wards were regularly occupied. Before the last crisis more than 95% were and, thanks to funding cuts, London had lost approximately 40% of its acute beds since 1982 - a figure reflected nationwide. Overall, the average daily number of available beds continued to decrease, falling by 2.0% from 190,000 in 1998-99 to 186,000 in 1999-00.
The NHS winter crisis | | The Guardian
 
XSV1 said:
No. Private. The only reason being that only the Western Cape Government (state hospitals) has a volunteer system in place. The rest of the provinces don't have one in place. It's a disgrace.
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What is your view of doctors, such as Jonathan Witt, whom I understand is a anaesthesiologist in a public hospital, who claim that your narrative is nonsense?

What do you think of the dancing TikTok nurses?
 
The ANC should end Lockdown.
Then just ban mass gatherings, enforce logical social distancing even on aeroplanes and open our beaches up again for sports and exercise. Then the Gov. should confiscate all the billions stolen by ANC cadra and use it to bail out all the businesses they have ruined both with there illogical Lockdown and before with their stupid failed nepitist BBEEE policies and their corrupt tender processes. Then there should still be enough left to build the best hospitals in the world here in SA and employ back all the great doctors that the ANC chased away with their stupid
BBEEE.
If that can't be done the ANC politicians should just all hang their heads in shame and resign!
 
pinball wizard said:
Votes for level 5 currently in third place on the poll. Are these okes voting ****ing retarded?
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Liberty Fighters Network files papers to have Dlamini-Zuma jailed for six months - SABC News - Breaking news, special reports, world, business, sport coverage of all South African current events. Africa's news leader.

The Liberty Fighters Network has filed court papers to have Co-operative Governance and Traditional Affairs Minister Dr Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma jailed for six months for re-implementing level 3 restrictions.
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This is very extreme and will be thrown out with the bathwater. Trying to make the states brute force will never work. Maybe seeking to have her removed from her position of power and bar her from taking up a political position for the next 5 years would have been a more reasonable argument, that might have a chance of being heard. Or maybe taking on the validity of the nccc as a whole.

The government will poke so many holes in this lawsuit, it won't be able to float in a puddle of water. Don't have to like it, but these lawyers need to find more intelligent ways of structuring their arguments and proposed remedies.
 
why not include some guys on ventilators in this survey? or better still, the gasping folks who are not even able to make to a hospital. no, why not ask nurses, sisters and doctors?
 
konfab said:
They closed the emergency field hospitals because they were not being used.

https://www.thesouthafrican.com/news/cticc-field-hospital-closed-western-cape-brackengate/

As for the no beds available in hospitals situation, that is simply socialist rationing. Which happens when you have a socialist healthcare system.

Was covid to blame in 2019?


And 2015:


And this isn't just a South African thing, you get your socialist breadlines whenever you have socialism.

Oh look, the NHS have been in perpetual shortages for decades.

So how few beds are there?
Hospitals operate close to full capacity. A decade ago, about 75% of beds in emergency wards were regularly occupied. Before the last crisis more than 95% were and, thanks to funding cuts, London had lost approximately 40% of its acute beds since 1982 - a figure reflected nationwide. Overall, the average daily number of available beds continued to decrease, falling by 2.0% from 190,000 in 1998-99 to 186,000 in 1999-00.

The NHS winter crisis | | The Guardian
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You're not entirely correct. Central Government has still not paid for the big covid wards in the Western Cape (e.g. the CPT ICC). So of course the ICC isn’t interested in renting them the property again. The CPT ICC covid ward was highly successful, although it never reached full capacity. It was run by the Western Cape Department of Health.

By comparison, some of the covid wards in Gauteng were a complete cockup. e.g. Nasrec which didn’t have oxygen points, even by the middle of July 2020. WTF? https://ewn.co.za/2020/07/11/health-dept-to-introduce-oxygen-points-at-field-hospitals
 
ggs said:
why not include some guys on ventilators in this survey? or better still, the gasping folks who are not even able to make to a hospital. no, why not ask nurses, sisters and doctors?
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Don't punish me because "some guys" neglected to wash their hands and are now gasping for attention air all over their Facebook profiles.
 
LCBXX said:
What is your view of doctors, such as Jonathan Witt, whom I understand is a anaesthesiologist in a public hospital, who claim that your narrative is nonsense?

What do you think of the dancing TikTok nurses?
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I won't pass judgement on a colleague in a public forum.
 
XSV1 said:
You're not entirely correct. Central Government has still not paid for the big covid wards in the Western Cape (e.g. the CPT ICC). So of course the ICC isn’t interested in renting them the property again. The CPT ICC covid ward was highly successful, although it never reached full capacity. It was run by the Western Cape Department of Health.

By comparison, some of the covid wards in Gauteng were a complete cockup. e.g. Nasrec which didn’t have oxygen points, even by the middle of July 2020. WTF? https://ewn.co.za/2020/07/11/health-dept-to-introduce-oxygen-points-at-field-hospitals
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You highlight another example of where citizens need to suffer because of ANC looting.
 
ggs said:
why not include some guys on ventilators in this survey? or better still, the gasping folks who are not even able to make to a hospital. no, why not ask nurses, sisters and doctors?
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We should also ask the millions who lost their employment and income during the first crackdown to vote. I think I know who would win.
 
ggs said:
why not include some guys on ventilators in this survey? or better still, the gasping folks who are not even able to make to a hospital. no, why not ask nurses, sisters and doctors?
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Why add so much hypothetical emotional attachment to a simple questionaire?

You should ask all the new people standing by the robots how much state intervention has helped them.
 
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