Do you think kids should be spanked?

Do you think kids should be spanked?

  • Yes

    Votes: 176 87.1%

  • No

    Votes: 26 12.9%
  • Total voters
    202
SkippyRamirez said:
I shudder to think how your kids will turn out.
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Why is that?

Alfiebadseed said:
Why then do the majority of people who were in school in the 80's and early 90's (who got a hiding if they did wrong), then have a much better understanding of right and wrong as well as basic manners and behavior than the current crop of school leavers?
None of my friends from school days are scarred emotional wrecks from getting whacked, and as far as I know none are axe murderers either
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So we should keep perpetrating violence against children as a for of discipline simply because none of your school mates are axe murderers?

It's a pretty low bar is all I'm saying.

SkippyRamirez said:
Because that is the way it's supposed to be. Animals do it as well. And there is a huge difference between discipline and abuse. All these SJW's worried about their little snowflakes is actually sad. Little do they know their kids are probably going to turn out as hippies, gender-confused, or so full of themselves that when the smallest bit of reality hits them, they fall apart.
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It doesn't take an SJW to see that there are better options in terms of discipline.

Nanfeishen said:
This ^ many times over.

Six of the best was something of an achievement, almost an initiation, into being accepted when in boarding school.
The really bad ones were sent to reform schools, and most of them turned out fine.
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Being beaten by authority figures as an achievement is a pretty sad reality tbh. You may not agree but I strive to be a trusted person with a healthy relationship with my kids. What you describe seems needlessly bleak.
 
Since having kids I've done a fair share of research to see what studies say about whether spanking is really harmful to a child's mental state or not. The science behind not spanking is extremely flaky. It is impossible to have controlled environment for a study where the criteria involved and degree of discipline can be the same for every parent and their child.

Of course beating a child or spanking them out of rage or anger is always going to be wrong no matter how you look at it, but I believe there is a place for an appropriate spanking. Spanking does not work for all kids but it can be part of a positive disciplinary system for some kids. Parents need to know their kids and know when it is appropriate. If you are the type of parent who can't stay calm and keep your rage down, then spanking most likely is going to be detrimental to your child. Understandably, adults who were beaten by their parents as a kid will struggle to find a middle ground here.

If you have kids then have a look at this "scientific" research from the American College of Pediatricians. There is a middle ground:

https://www.acpeds.org/wordpress/wp...ch-on-Disciplinary-Spanking-is-Misleading.pdf
 
Alfiebadseed said:
Why then do the majority of people who were in school in the 80's and early 90's (who got a hiding if they did wrong), then have a much better understanding of right and wrong as well as basic manners and behavior than the current crop of school leavers?
None of my friends from school days are scarred emotional wrecks from getting whacked, and as far as I know none are axe murderers either
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SkippyRamirez said:
I shudder to think how your kids will turn out.
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I'm sitting with that same thought. Kids nowadays has no respect for anyone. I've seen a few incidences in shops where the parents cannot control their kid at all. Those kids become your entitled grown ups.
 
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SlinkyMike said:
So we should keep perpetrating violence against children as a for of discipline simply because none of your school mates are axe murderers?
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If you see physical discipline as a form of violence, aggression or frustration you as an individual shouldn't spank your kids.

Correctly executed punishment teaches children that there are repercussions for their actions. So yes for spanking but make sure you're in a calm and content state.
 
Sensorei said:
Since having kids I've done a fair share of research to see what studies say about whether spanking is really harmful to a child's mental state or not. The science behind not spanking is extremely flaky. It is impossible to have controlled environment for a study where the criteria involved and degree of discipline can be the same for every parent and their child.

Of course beating a child or spanking them out of rage or anger is always going to be wrong no matter how you look at it, but I believe there is a place for an appropriate spanking. Spanking does not work for all kids but it can be part of a positive disciplinary system for some kids. Parents need to know their kids and know when it is appropriate. If you are the type of parent who can't stay calm and keep your rage down, then spanking most likely is going to be detrimental to your child. Understandably, adults who were beaten by their parents as a kid will struggle to find a middle ground here.

If you have kids then have a look at this "scientific" research from the American College of Pediatricians. There is a middle ground:

https://www.acpeds.org/wordpress/wp...ch-on-Disciplinary-Spanking-is-Misleading.pdf
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Good post and thanks for the extra reading. I don't have time now (I'll read it tonight) but I have no difficulty in believing that it's a tough (thus flawed) area of research. That seems quite rational to me.

Also: you're the only person so far to actually think it through instead of just going: "ek was gedonner to donner ek" or the ever irritating: "kids these days..."

It's very strange to see how so many people who ostensibly love their children, refuse to take the time to consider that they may not have to beat them into submission from an early age in order for them to become well adjusted adults. Shocking really.

Moosedrool said:
If you see physical discipline as a form of violence, aggression or frustration you as an individual shouldn't spank your kids.

Correctly executed punishment teaches children that there are repercussions for their actions. So yes for spanking but make sure you're in a calm and content state.
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I'm not going to argue the semantics of striking children. I am saying that hitting another person in order to get them to behave the way you want them to is showing them by example no less that violence is a means of getting your way. You have no basis for surprise then when these people use violence to get their way.

Also, you are conflating corporal punishment with punishment. The two are distinct, you are using weasel phrasing to push your rhetoric. You'll have to bring stronger sauce than that.

On the topic of consequences: is pain the only one that your children should learn? An adult has little concern over physical pain as a consequence of bad behavior and much more concern for the other kinds of consequences. Perhaps preparing your children along these lines would be beneficial?
 
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I think I'm with SlinkyMike on this one. Plus I'm pretty sure every generation thinks the new one is unruly, rude and all that.
I will gladly admit to having hit my kid, while telling them not to hit - the irony was not lost on me nor the little rascal and it probably wasn't the best idea.
Raising kids is tough. I do know I want him to make the right decisions whether I'm around or not, or whether he thinks he'll get caught or not and I think unnecessary spanking can cause him to hide his actions. He shouldn't run on the road cos he understands the dangers, not cos he's scared I'll hit him if I find out. Both might have the same end result but I'd prefer the first option if I can manage it. Idealistic airy fairy stuff I know, we'll see how it works out.
My dad was old school and you never questioned him. If you asked him he'd say his kids were really well behaved and he's probably right, but it also meant I never questioned anything - I studied what I was told I should study, never really engaged with my professors, blah blah blah. Is this a direct result of my old man? Again who knows.
In saying that, one thing I have learnt as a parent is - do what works for you and keeps you sane. I'll never judge another parent.
 
Pain is nature's way of telling us something is bad/wrong for us, since forever. I've never heard anyone wonder about the emotional ramifications of a child burning their finger on a hot plate or from poking at a naked flame.
Don't really see the issue unless it's abuse. I don't have any kids though, and not gonna tell parents how to discipline theirs. Did grow up with 7 siblings though (yes really) and we all got spanked, we seem Ok today. :p (yes I know that's anecdotal, no need to tell me).
 
Over here it's considered a human rights violation (according to the UN) and punishable with jail time.

As a member of the Human Rights Council, it should be in RSA as well.

Growing up in an Afrikaans family, my dad bliksemed us with those planks used as backrests in school benches, not slippers, paplepels or belts. My ass would swell purple. The only thing it taught me was how not to get caught next time.

I'm never putting my kid through that.
 
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Voicy said:
Over here it's considered a human rights violation (according to the UN) and punishable with jail time.

As a member of the Human Rights Council, it should be in RSA as well.
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da-furk :wtf:
 
Voicy said:
Over here it's considered a human rights violation (according to the UN) and punishable with jail time.

As a member of the Human Rights Council, it should be in RSA as well.

Growing up in an Afrikaans family, my dad bliksemed us with those planks used as backrests in school benches, not slippers, paplepels or belts. My ass would swell purple. The only thing it taught me was how not to get caught next time.

I'm never putting my kid through that.
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See? You got some valuable life skills out of it:D
 
If you are a good self-reflecting parent, then it won't matter whether you spank your children or not.
You would not be punishing your children in anger and you would gauge how it is affecting them.
You would do it when appropriate and if appropriate for the specific child.
The end result would be that it would not be continuous.

I would say that in general - constantly screaming or abuse between parents has a far worse impact.
Add that as a human rights violation.
 
Just looking crime rates and how youngters disrespect laws, regulations and rules is a clear indication of the result of a lack of discipline and contributes to the lack of a comprehension of consequences for you actions..
 
SlinkyMike said:
Good post and thanks for the extra reading. I don't have time now (I'll read it tonight) but I have no difficulty in believing that it's a tough (thus flawed) area of research. That seems quite rational to me.
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Wait. what?
SlinkyMike said:
So this is precisely what I submitted a scientific study
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As for the rest of your little rant earlier today...
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