Drivers locked up

[Getafix]

Exactly, should blatant harassment be legal? If you really want to solve this problem then introduce a point system so if people get too many fines they get their licence suspended.

Following your line of arguing.(Always the last word):

Then the person who's license is suspended can send his father, mother, spouse or children to work for he is not allowed to drive.

Now answer me with a straight answer.

Is it better to be hassled for a few hours as punishment or have your license be taken away?

 

[Syndyre]

Following your line of arguing.(Always the last word):

Then the person who's license is suspended can send his father, mother, spouse or children to work for he is not allowed to drive.

Now answer me with a straight answer.

Is it better to be hassled for a few hours as punishment or have your license be taken away?

The point is that your licence wouldn't be taken away immediately, you'd have to have committed multiple offences before you reach enough points to have it suspended. AFAIK they're planning this anyway.

 

[Getafix]

Following the rules is not that easy. They started repainting the lines round here without bothering to match the lines with the Signs. One of the T-Junctions here could be interpreted as a Stop, Yield or full throttle depending on what you look at. So am I supposed to go to jail just because I can't figure out wtf I'm supposed to do there?

I noticed you are still a student.

If you can't figure out what to do at a T-junction maybe jail might save your life.

If you still have hassles with the t-juction: Look, Think and stay allive.

PS. What percentage of intersections in your area are wrongly marked compared with the correctly mark. A rather pointless point you are making.
No marks for that. Come back next year, learn and concentrate.

 

[Getafix]

The point is that your licence wouldn't be taken away immediately, you'd have to have committed multiple offences before you reach enough points to have it suspended. AFAIK they're planning this anyway.

You did not answer me.

For clarity, Iasked which is best.

 

[Vrotappel]

I have no problem with applying the law. But in this case it is not applied consistently. Where are the locked up taxi drivers? Police focus on easy targets whilst ignoring the real killers on the road. But locking up tax drivers would be akin to political suicide. Only in Africa ...

 

[Nod]

This morning a bus made a u-turn right into traffic after dropping of people. No flicker or any other indication. Where was the cops? Sleeping under the Rigel bridge AFAIK.

 

[Syndyre]

You did not answer me.

For clarity, Iasked which is best.

I would say a reasonable points system is best.

 

[HavocXphere]

If you can't figure out what to do at a T-junction maybe jail might save your life.

??? If a robot shows green in all directions then we can't punish the drivers because they "can't figure out what to do at a robot". Maybe I was not entire clear the in the above post. All three sides of the T-junction can interpret their arbitrary collection of signs and markings and centerline in a way that allows them right of way without stopping.

What percentage of intersections in your area are wrongly marked compared with the correctly mark.

Of course the majority are correct. It does not excuse the incorrect ones. A surgeon can't defend a 10% fvckup rate by point to the 90% that he did not fvck-up.

Pay attention to street signs, or maybe you are one of those that bought their licences.

Did you even read what I wrote? The licensing process does not include what to do when the actual path of the road, the signs, the yield-line and the center line all conflict. But you already knew that since you have a legal license.

 

[Geriatrix]

I drive on those roads every day and I for one think its time that someone sorts out these people. Its almost expected for some idiot in a BMW, Golf or SUV to ignore basic road rules.

I support it, but get those taxi drivers as well. They are worse than any other drivers and they encourage bad driving.

 

[GougedEye]

People are constantly complaining about the shocking driving that goes on, but when the Metro does something about it they complain about that as well? Can't really have it both ways guys. But i understand that it's the normal knee jerk reaction against anything even vaguely government related.

The fact is that the standard of driving in jhb is getting worse. Without exagerating, I can say that every single time I drive more than 5km I will see someone driving through a red, robot. anyone want to argue that? Every single day, I watch people happily driving down the emergency lane, or turning from the wrong lane at robots, or driving through stop streets. And don't kid yourselves. It's not just taxies. Taxies do their bit, but this behaviour is spreeding to almost everyone.

Fines are not working as a deterrent. Most fines (something in the region of 80%) are never paid. People just laugh them off. The courts are being brought to a standstill dealing with all the unpaid traffic fines that come their way, with defendants who don't show up. And good luck in finding them. Wrong / outdated addresses etc. If we devoted all our police to chasing down these guys, then maybe we could get the majority of them. Perhaps we will start paying attention if there is actually some risk involved with happily ignoring the law?

So as far as I'm concerned, they should go for it. But I would like to see that Taxi drivers are treated the same way.

 

[noxibox]

Is this even legal? The Metro/Traffic police do have a deserved reputation for breaking the law in this regard. If it is legal fine, but if not those involved should be made examples of.

 

[Getafix]

???
Of course the majority are correct. It does not excuse the incorrect ones. A surgeon can't defend a 10% fvckup rate by point to the 90% that he did not fvck-up.
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Come on

This thread is about traffic offenders being locked up.

You came up with one incident in your area to defend these criminals.
In that context what has a surgeon got to do with this?

If you want to argue for argument sake go do it on campus.
You say your student days are almost over. Now is the time to start interacting like an adult.

 

[noxibox]

it has been held that where the object of the arrest is to frighten or harass an arrested person so as to act in a way desired by the arrestor without his appearing in court, such arrest is unlawful. Furthermore, there is authority to the effect that it is undesirable for an accused to be deprived of his pre-trial liberty if the sentence likely to be imposed is one other than imprisonment

from the Johannesburg Attorneys Association

 

[Claymore]

Just typical of this Fsucking country. Criminals are left at large and Joe citizens are the ones to be jailed! What a massive Fsucking JOKE!

Eh? The cops jailed the criminals! Serve them damn right too.

 

[ToxicBunny]

I don't think anybody is actually defending the criminals (or at least I'm not). What does bother me is that the punishment FAR outweighs the crime, AND its being done on a selective basis because practically EVERY taxi driver should be in jail then.

 

[NoADSLyet]

Eh? The cops jailed the criminals! Serve them damn right too.

A traffic offense do not make you a criminal unless under influence. Just shows the mentality and though pattern in this sick and corrupt country!

 

[neio]

Three taxi drivers were also arrested.

People should just obey the traffic laws, its very frikken simple, if these people had'nt broken the traffic laws they would have had a normal day. Finish and klaar.

 

[Getafix]

Is this even legal? The Metro/Traffic police do have a deserved reputation for breaking the law in this regard. If it is legal fine, but if not those involved should be made examples of.

It is totally legal.

You trespass the law you may be arrested by a police/ metro officer. For puny offenses you will be released on bail. Only in exceptional cases will you spend a night behind bars.

The whole exercise is to be of inconvenience.

Normally traffic police just get laughed off.

Not only do they bugger up the day you get arrested, the following day you have to appear in court. If you have any brains you will plead guilty and be fined whatever. Now for the catch: You must pay immediately at the court. Otherwise you will be locked up in jail if you can't pay QED.

Quick and swift justice.

If you try and be clever get a lawyer and plead not guilty. The case will be postponed several times. You and your lawyer appear 4 or 5 times. Nice lawyer account of R5000.00 or more. Against utmost R1000.00 for a really ugly offense.

Both ways the traffic guys win.

What is the argument?

Obey the traffic rules. We all wish for it and want it. Just do it.

What these other blokes are on about is beyond me.

 

[Syndyre]

I don't think anybody is actually defending the criminals (or at least I'm not). What does bother me is that the punishment FAR outweighs the crime, AND its being done on a selective basis because practically EVERY taxi driver should be in jail then.

Exactly.

 

[Getafix]

from the Johannesburg Attorneys Association

Perfectly correct.

How do you prove it was done to inconvenience you? We all know it is the case but proving it is something else.

Again, take your punishment, learn and put it behind you.

Getting involved in extremely complicated court cases costing tens of thousands of rands compared to +/- R500.00 and two days inconvenience because you were naughty should not be such a difficult decision.