DSTV HDTV

its normal DSTV still stretched to 16x9 ratio on the HD-pvr?
 
Boocey said:
Overkill69,

Thanks for the glowing report on the HD decoder. I am a little frustrated in the sense I have a dual view decoder and one stream goes to my paying tennants so I have to preserve that 2nd independent viewing stream.

When you mention at the end of your message about connecting the HD PVR to another decoder via "a composite to RF modulator and connect the TV 1 of your additional decoder to it into your RF system." does this mean the 3 channels you mention are all showing the same content (not strictly dual view).

My understanding as mentioned on a previous post is that I will have to ditch my dual view and buy a 1110 to link the HD PVR but I can only do this once Xtraview is up and running.

But if you can tell me a way to rig my dual view with the HD PVR and get two independent viewing streams (one HD - my use, the other SD - tennants use) that would be fab.

Could you just clarify?

thanks so much
Bruce
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The dual view will not work with the HD PVR. Only the SD PVR (Dual view) + HD PVR will work for three independent channels each controlled separately. One HD and two SD via the RF cable. THUS 3 channels to view and three channels to record.
 
OK, that's what I thought. So my option is to wait for Xtra view. Only then will I be able to hook up a 1110 with an HD PVR. I fail to understand why Multichoice did not sort Xtraview out first before launching the HD PVR.

Hey ho

B
 
OK, that's what I thought. So my option is to wait for Xtra view. Only then will I be able to hook up a 1110 with an HD PVR. I fail to understand why Multichoice did not sort Xtraview out first before launching the HD PVR.

Hey ho

B
 
yip...
Mr FiatUnoPanelVan is 100% correct.

The dualview decoder is not able to link up with the HD PVR via XtraView. The way I see it is that XtraView uses additional tuners on the decoders but is able to communicate between the decoders so they "share" smartcard information.

I think that is why only the newer decoders (the SD PVR and the 1100) are able to do this via an RF cable. You'd have to pay a completely new subscription and then both smartcards would work independently.

To answer your other question:
A dualview and the SD PVR always have "TV 1" only available via the composite or SCART/component outputs... so you cant view TV 1 in another room. You get these modulators that change the composite video/audio signals into RF signals... so you can then send that signal via boosters and splitters to the rest of the house. So it becomes possible to view TV 1 and TV 2 from any television anywhere in the house. Add the HD PVR to ze mix... and "viola" 3 independently viewable channels anywhere in the house! I don't think any household needs more than that!

Overkill69 thanks for that great article, dont know if you can help with this,heres the scenario. from my dish i have a twin lnb going into the roof, in the for is a six way multisplitter. 2 run down to my lounge for my dual view. 2 others run to seperate granny flats...
I dont think I can use the 2 free ports from the multiswicht in the roof as I can fit in for cables down the tube. Can I add a 2nd multisplitter by my hdpvr?

hope this makes some sence thanks!
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I don't think you can... but phone one of the accredited installers and just ask them over the phone. I had the issue of SD PVR being in a different room to my HDTV, so i put the multiswitch in the roof and ran FOUR cables out of the roof (drilled a 25mm hole) into my home theater room.

What I would suggest is buying an 8 port multiswitch, climb in the roof and sub the guy out... the problem is the conduit. I'm in the building industry and I've never seen conduits able to accommodate all these cables! 4 cables is insane! if you have a 12mm conduit, don't even bother! 20mm MIGHT be able to take 4 cables with a hell of a lot of effort and grease.

The story doesn't end there... you have to remember the RF cable connecting your other decoder for XtraView... Apparently they link up in a master/slave kinda relationship. Now, this is where I'm freaking out...
I have been told by both the Multichoice technical guys and the installer people that you take a RF lead from the "RF out" of the decoder that will be the MASTER and lead that into the "RF In" of the SLAVE decoder.
All i had to do was plug my HD decoder into the terrestrial antenna plug in that room coz I've had the SD PVR's RF out going to a splitter and being sent all over the house...
This was way too easy so I'm very suspicious...

marine1 said:
This whole thing sounds like a scam to me, the signal is not even 1080 but 720. Is that really considered HD?
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*sigh*
 
OverKill69 said:
yip...! 4 cables is insane! if you have a 12mm conduit, don't even bother! 20mm MIGHT be able to take 4 cables with a hell of a lot of effort and grease.........*sigh*
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There is another cable called something like a twin cable to reduce the cables. I read this somewhere but cannot recall where. Maybe on DSTV site
Try and search for it.
 
OverKill69 said:
yip...

The story doesn't end there... you have to remember the RF cable connecting your other decoder for XtraView... Apparently they link up in a master/slave kinda relationship. Now, this is where I'm freaking out...
I have been told by both the Multichoice technical guys and the installer people that you take a RF lead from the "RF out" of the decoder that will be the MASTER and lead that into the "RF In" of the SLAVE decoder.
All i had to do was plug my HD decoder into the terrestrial antenna plug in that room coz I've had the SD PVR's RF out going to a splitter and being sent all over the house...
This was way too easy so I'm very suspicious...
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It is straight forward IMHO but I read somewhere about an RF modulator that is required ????
 
listen guys!! you can get Xtraview right now, until it is supported by the decoder, if you look at the information on xtraview on the DSTV decoder they say you can do Xtraview till it becomes possible on the HD decoder

Peder
 
UnoPanelvan said:
It is straight forward IMHO but I read somewhere about an RF modulator that is required ????
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I'm just wary of stuff that's too easy ;p

No need for any modulators, special cables... works through boosters and splitters... I just got off the phone with someone at multichoice who says that my family can take the "MAIN SMARTCARD" out of my SD PVR on holiday and I'll still get service on my HD PVR... W T F??? That blows my theory about "the hardware sharing a smartcard"
Therefore I rate you don't even need to connect the two decoders!

I have a sneaky suspicion that "XtraView" is a fancy name for:
"We linked your 2 smartcard numbers on our database so we only charge you once but we need you to have that silly version that only works in one decoder... kthxbaai"
 
Peder,

Sorry buddy only "SD PVR and HD PVR" or "1110 and 1110" can be connected now. As stated on its website "1110 + HD PVR Combination (available by the end of the year)"


Overkill69 - you agree that a dual view cannot be linked to an HD PVR so what do you mean by" A dualview and the SD PVR always have "TV 1" only available via the composite or SCART/component outputs... so you cant view TV 1 in another room. You get these modulators that change the composite video/audio signals into RF signals... so you can then send that signal via boosters and splitters to the rest of the house. So it becomes possible to view TV 1 and TV 2 from any television anywhere in the house. Add the HD PVR to ze mix... and "viola" 3 independently viewable channels anywhere in the house! I don't think any household needs more than that!"

You make it sound like you CAN link a dual view to an HD PVR with some modulation(?) Unless when you say "add the HD PVR into the mix" you will incur two subscriptions.

Sorry to hark on about this. I realise it can't be done (dualview and
HD PVR) but do not understand your logic.

B
 
Ah... I see.

What I meant was that both the DUALVVIEW DECODER and the SD PVR are "dual view" (as in: can watch 2 channels at the same time independently).

Lemme just explain fully:
We got about 4 TV's in the house that are all wired up Via Boosters and Spitters from a central point.
When I first got the DualView Decoder, I was annoyed that you could only connect the "TV 1" Channel from the DualView Decoder via SCART or composite to a TV right by the decoder.
I installed a modulator that you plug the Audio and Video composite RCA's into and it converts it to a RF signal. So you wire it... antenna--->modulator carrying TV 1-----> Decoder to pick up TV 2----> Rest of the house.
So i could watch both channels from any TV in the house. You follow?

I upgraded to the SD PVR when it came out but fortunately I just had to unplug the DualView Decoder and plug in the SD PVR.

Now... with the HD PVR, I have 3 independently viewable channels around the whole house from whichever TV.

XtraView is something completely different.
And apparently the DualView Decoder is not compatible with XtraView. Everytime I think I understand what technology XtraView employs... I learn that its completely different.
So my final theory on XtraView is this:
Your decoders do not need to be physically linked for XtraView to work, The decoders receive separate signals and decode them separately. A decoder needs a smartcard to function so XtraView is just having 2 separate smartcards but only being billed for 1.
I think the technology restriction comes from the smartcard. IE you need the latest version cards... and hence the later decoders because the latest cards are not compatible with earlier decoder models...
But don't quote me.
 
I see, got you now. Lets hope MC do not take too long to roll out Xtraview. I think there is a strong chance you are right about the 2 decoders not needing to be physically linked and it's all done through the newer smart cards.

I didn't bother upgrading to the SD PVR - I bought a separate hard drive DV recorder instead.

You must keep this thread informed about how good the opening ceremony of the olympics looks in HD. You can directly compare the SD with HD?

cheers
B
 
Currently they are broadcasting the Brazil/Belgium soccer match from the Olympics on channel 170.

The picture and sound is absolutely astounding! And after this experience I will find it difficult to view anything in SD.
 
if i want 3 viewing enviroments in my house i belive i can use the HDPVR with Dual View option. is my understaning correct if i say:
from the dish i can use SATCR LNB to the HDPVR, then from the HDPVR i will run a cable to the SDPVR, then from the SDPVFR i will run a cable to the 3rd TV which will have the "eye"???

if the SATCR LNB is one cable how does it populate all 4 ports on the HDPVR?

Thanks, running out of time to get this done!!
 
Jinx10 said:
if i want 3 viewing enviroments in my house i belive i can use the HDPVR with Dual View option. is my understaning correct if i say:
from the dish i can use SATCR LNB to the HDPVR, then from the HDPVR i will run a cable to the SDPVR, then from the SDPVFR i will run a cable to the 3rd TV which will have the "eye"???

if the SATCR LNB is one cable how does it populate all 4 ports on the HDPVR?

Thanks, running out of time to get this done!!
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You'll need to upgrade your LNB to at least a twin LNB and you'll then need a multiswitch from 2 - 6 (Four for your HD PVR and two for your SD PVR).

clear?
 
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