HavocXphere
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Interesting comment.
That is certainly true to some extent. I moved from a townhouse ZA side (5k rent) to a very small apartment in Europe (20k rent). Prime location sure, but it is quite a shift.
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That is certainly true to some extent. I moved from a townhouse ZA side (5k rent) to a very small apartment in Europe (20k rent). Prime location sure, but it is quite a shift.
Azbubu
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Are you deliberately being vague to protect your identity?
HavocXphere
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Already had one person work out my identity & ask me about it IRL so yes.
d0b33
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We have a home on the west coast, just a few years ago crime was rare, these days housebreaking is common, had our place broken into 3 times over 3 years.
Dave
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I've seen around 14-15 UK winters over the last 20 or so years and not one has been as you describe. Have you actually had any personal experience of it?
If anything, you see more clear blue skies in winter than at other times of the year.
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HavocXphere
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Only seen 1 UK winter thus far & was perfectly fine. Even got sunburn because I wasn't paying attention one day
Just returned after spending 15-odd yrs in Asia.
But I'm oldish. Missed Africa, messed-up as it is. Don't have to try and build a future.
I'd advise the young to go build somewhere else though. Nowhere is perfect, or sure, but sadly Africa seems to be going in its natural direction - south - despite all the fanciful African Century dreams. Where else can it head to, given its habit of looking backward - at history. Can't move ahead looking back, can you.
Seems most consider UK/EU/US. Take a look at Asia, there be opportunity.
But I'm oldish. Missed Africa, messed-up as it is. Don't have to try and build a future.
I'd advise the young to go build somewhere else though. Nowhere is perfect, or sure, but sadly Africa seems to be going in its natural direction - south - despite all the fanciful African Century dreams. Where else can it head to, given its habit of looking backward - at history. Can't move ahead looking back, can you.
Seems most consider UK/EU/US. Take a look at Asia, there be opportunity.
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HavocXphere
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Interesting. Would love to hear in more detail how your 15 years of Asia panned out. Emigration is a bold move in itself, but Asia...wow. Must have been a culture shock of note.
I thrive on new experiences, so it was most interesting. But yes, you have to be a tad adventurous and very open-minded. Given that, Asia offers great potential. There is an incredible energy. And crucially, a marked absence of dwelling in the past. Which is why Asia's cities rise while Africa's crumble.
Agreed. I've spent several winters in places with way harsher winters than the UK, and even there it really was fine. Firstly, when it's really cold, the sky is usually clear and blue (no clouds to trap the heat) and beautiful. Also, the available clothing and housing are built for the weather, and you even get to do cool (
) things like sit around a fire place at home or even in some pubs. Great atmosphere ( ).HavocXphere
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Did you speak the language when you hit the ground? Thats the one thing thats kinda cramping my style right now...so many countries to explore, but a tiny bit scared I wouldn't cope language wise - especially at work.
SoulTax
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People have this impression that the winters in the UK and other "Snowable" places, is dark and dull and horrid all of the time. It is like the over-exaggeration of the place that foreigners are obligated to use. They take something that is present and negative aspect, and exaggerate it well out of proportion.... It is just worrying that the SA equivalent is Crime/Murder/Home invasion/Corruption/Etc...
If I had to choose between the Exaggerated UK winter vs the actual SA negative aspects, not even the exaggerated ones, I would pick a little bad weather every time. It really is a no-brainer.
If I had to choose between the Exaggerated UK winter vs the actual SA negative aspects, not even the exaggerated ones, I would pick a little bad weather every time. It really is a no-brainer.
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Leaving for Aus in January. We live in a beautiful country ruined by criminals and politicians hellbent on dismantling the economy.
Use Google streetview to look at middle class suburb in Australia, New Zealand or Canada and then look at any middle class suburb in a large South African city then come back and tell us what you notice.
Also I am sick of being one of the 1.1 million people paying welfare for 20 million people and then seeing them burn fire engines, clinics and schools to the ground while I pay twice for medical care and decent schooling.
Apologies for all the edits.
The reality is that loadshedding is just a symptom of the disease ravaging the country. As the major organs succumb, the extremities start failing and this is what is happening now.
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Kilgore_Trout_Redux
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Have you looked through any Australian skills shortage lists? It isn't just white collar workers they need. It's electricians, mechanics, fitter and turners, plumbers and all manner of other tradesmen with experience.
If you really want to leave there are a lot of avenues you can explore. It really isn't easy and it isn't cheap.
Our family is gambling a huge chunk of our life savings on getting out and it has taken two years but we have committed ourselves and found a way. I am glad we started when we did because the collapse of the economy is making it harder to get out and we were very much at risk of becoming economic prisoners. If we had started the process today we probably would not be in the position to do it in two years time.
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I'd leave in a second. Planning to in the next year or so.
StellenboschStudent
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Sitting in France, left SA about a month ago. Not planning on going back...
cerebus
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Agreed. I've spent several winters in places with way harsher winters than the UK, and even there it really was fine. Firstly, when it's really cold, the sky is usually clear and blue (no clouds to trap the heat) and beautiful. Also, the available clothing and housing are built for the weather, and you even get to do cool (
Southern UK winters and northern are quite different though. I remember Blackpool being quite unbearable when I was a kid. My mum still can't take any cold temperatures because of her time there.
Yeah people seem to think you need some fancy degree to leave. Friends (family of 4) leaving for NZ next month, going on his trade experience.
Dunno how NZ immigration works but once you have a job offer you can be there in like two months, same thing happened to another family I know. Amazingly quick :wtf:
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Correct... no degree needed... Sure you get points for a degree, but, if you get there and can land a job, then your arse is through.
Apologies. I didn't see the question. Perhaps my comment was a bit deceptive. My wife is currently studying full time, so while I would be earning less than what I currently do, together we will be earning quite a lot more.