Expats told: "Don't come back to SA"

Actually I had my foreign passport before I went over... but yes, I would have come back without it if I'd really had to.

I have a few questions - please do not misinterpret this as an attack on your decision - it is yours to make, and I do not want to have anyone think otherwise.

1) How old are you?
2) Do you have children?


In my case, I want to leave because I am still quite young - but too old to waste another 3-4 years thinking about it, and I have 2 kids - and I do not want them in SA anymore.
 
This seems to be a common thread to people I talk to.

Very. It seems like a lot of people leaving fairly soon after they've finished studying and of those that stay a lot seem to reevaluate their choice when they have kids.
 
This seems to be a common thread to people I talk to.

20 years ago my family considered immigrating to another country - and I regret we never did.
People can call me racist all they want - say I do not want to live in a country where whites do not rule blah blah blah. I personally do not give a carp who rules - provided they do a decent job.
But, this is Africa and it will go the way of the rest of the continent.
I may not live long enough to see the Zim2.0 scenario play out, but my kids will.
 
In my case, I want to leave because I am still quite young - but too old to waste another 3-4 years thinking about it, and I have 2 kids - and I do not want them in SA anymore.

thats the difference, kids. I took mine as far away from Africa as possible, its amazing how they change a person from the day they are born, as a parent its our responsibility to give them a safe life, in Africa thats not possible. If you are bringing your kids up in Africa you are limiting their dreams, no son you can't be a policemen, no my little girl, you don't want to be a nurse or a teacher.
 
Now you have :p I left, I came back, and homecoming revolution are actually really helpful - there are always admin issues like how to convert your licence, or how to handle tax returns for the time you were away, and they helped sort out a lot of those of things for me.

For an -Admin- fee? :D
 
If you are bringing your kids up in Africa you are limiting their dreams, no son you can't be a policemen, no my little girl, you don't want to be a nurse or a teacher.

I'd never thought of it that way but very true.
 
I have a few questions - please do not misinterpret this as an attack on your decision - it is yours to make, and I do not want to have anyone think otherwise.

1) How old are you?
2) Do you have children?


In my case, I want to leave because I am still quite young - but too old to waste another 3-4 years thinking about it, and I have 2 kids - and I do not want them in SA anymore.

It is different if you have kids (I don't). As for age... well, youngish ;) Not fresh out of varsity, but not middle aged yet either.

If you're taking your family with you (i.e. kids and spouse) it's probably easier - you have a clear idea of what you're risking by staying, and you're taking loved ones with you. I left my parents, my sister, and my nieces, and that was tough.

It's a very individual decision, and it doesn't always have anything to do with logic. If I weigh up the benefits and disadvantages to being there, and the pros and cons of being here, logic says I shouldn't have come back. But this is home - and it's not just because my family is here; this country is where I grew up and it's home to me.
 
It is different if you have kids (I don't). As for age... well, youngish ;) Not fresh out of varsity, but not middle aged yet either.

If you're taking your family with you (i.e. kids and spouse) it's probably easier - you have a clear idea of what you're risking by staying, and you're taking loved ones with you. I left my parents, my sister, and my nieces, and that was tough.

It's a very individual decision, and it doesn't always have anything to do with logic. If I weigh up the benefits and disadvantages to being there, and the pros and cons of being here, logic says I shouldn't have come back. But this is home - and it's not just because my family is here; this country is where I grew up and it's home to me.

Very true. The singular reason that complicates my decision about leaving this place in a heartbeat after my studies is my family.

I can see the situation in some schools now in grade one. Pretty hilarious.

Teacher: "Peter, what do you want to be when you grow up?"
Peter: "I want to be a cop."
Teacher: "Wrong answer Peter! Think of something else. Sandy, what do you want to be when you grow up?"
 
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I came back from the UK in 2003, got hijacked in 2005 and almost shot, so I'm living on my 'extra life' now - so I guess I will stay here in SA & see how long I survive on my extra life.

Every day that I wake up, is a bonus to me, because I should not have been here with you anymore. :)
 
I came back from the UK in 2003, got hijacked in 2005 and almost shot, so I'm living on my 'extra life' now - so I guess I will stay here in SA & see how long I survive on my extra life.

Every day that I wake up, is a bonus to me, because I should not have been here with you anymore. :)

That has to be some of the worst logic I've heard in some time.

If at first you don't lose a finger, stick at back in there and hope for the best.
 
That has to be some of the worst logic I've heard in some time.

If at first you don't lose a finger, stick at back in there and hope for the best.

I know, but I've been brain-dead as a child, so it won't make any sense. :sick:

I think I'm still living in South Africa because of family and friends, don't think there's any other reason.
 
http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_2198354,00.html

"...The men eventually left in their Peugeot 206 and Toyota Corolla Verso filled with the Gowers's computer, jewellery and, specifically, their LCD television...."

Tag the computer, LCD television, fridge or any other stationary item that won't be moved with a Bluetooth http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/RadioModems. Install a Bluetooth receiver in each room. As the valuable item is moved from one room to the next, the bluetooth transmitter will automatically mesh with the receiver installed. Even an RFID tag and concealed tag reader will work. The moment the item is moved through the door the tag reader reads it and sends a realtime panic to your security company. Why would you want to move your fridge from the kitchen to the living room? And this information will be made known in real-time to your security company or anybody else for that matter. The bluetooth trasmitter communicates continuasly with the bluetooth in the room. So if they find the transmitter and destroy it , they will destroy the link enabling a real-time panic to be sent in any case. The transmitter could be removed though, but if they don't know about this to begin with.....

Or install a small safe inside a cupboard. The safe should never be opened because on opening the safe a sensor is triggered sending out a panic signal. We have completely rethink how we go about our business in this country. Every single valuable item from a vehicle to a television should be tagged with either a GSM modem, Zigbee , RFID or Bluetooth RadioModems that is in 24hour communication with a base in our attempt at implementing http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/NetworkCentricWarfare

There always must be some sort of continues real-time fixed wired , Wi-Fi or radio link to a distant premise. All communication media can be jammed: Phone lines can be cut, Wi-Fi can be jammed , 900Mhz made useless with a http://www.phonejammer.com etc.

The only counter measure to phonejammer is really to build our own cellphones. There is nothing complicated about this, the designs are standard single chip solutions that any Cell engineer can patch together for us and have the PCBs made somewhere. We hack the patent from http://www.roundsolutions.com and on detecting a spectrum jamming attempt the custom cell phone sends out an alert instead. Thus the thing will in eternity not be Icasa approved - but cares about Icasa if you are about to die? Normal cell phones all operate on the principle of cutting back their signal on detecting a jamming attempt - this is by international protocols. This is fine for Norway where we don't have deranged criminals killing people for their cellphones. Here in lala-land where we are all stuck on the African continent we are going to have to use a little bit of "unofficial" lateral thinking.

As far as hijacking of cars is concerned - this is really beginning to irritate me, because I have posted at length as to how to use a http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/GpsAndGprs GSM modem and http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/EmbeddedPc to prevent this or at least make it impossible for them to get away. The scratchpad wiki doesn't contain all the info you will have to do a search on captainwifi on this forum to understand the constraints and limitations of GSM and who to deal with it.

And even simpler solution is to use Vodacom http://www.look4me.co.za service. Install a cell phone in your car somewhere recharging from some battery circuit and then do a look4me lookup of the cell and thus obviously the car. This is such a simple concept and so easy to implement than I wonder if South-Africans aren't somehow suffering from some sort of mental disorder. I mean obviously your car will get stolen - this is after all South Africa right? So if you know your car will be toast - it is just a matter of time, then why are you refusing to install a R400 common cellphone to prevent this. Please somebody help me out here.

The technology exists to make it impossible for anybody to just "lekke-lekke" drive of with your car without your security company knowing about it. For example install an infra-red transmitter that sends out a realtime pulse that determines the skin color of the person behind the wheel. 99% of hijackers are black and if your are of the umhlungu variety and then obviously in 99% of cases there should be an umhlungu behind the wheel right? Electronic circuits can determine to a high degree of accuracy the skin color of a person, the darker your skin the more IR light is absorbed, the lighter the less is absorbed enabling the tone of the skin to be determined. The killer app is facial recognition software but we are probably another 5years away before this is a reality in a vehicle environment. The facial recognition software will determine in real-time if the person behind the wheel is you or not.

Or install weight sensors and an embedded pc that determines that the weight of the car and its GPS coordinates don't match a regular pattern. The chances are that the hijackers won't weigh the same as you do - especially if you are fat. Hijackers aren't generally fat. Weight sensors can also determine how many people are in the car and relate it to the GPS coordinates. Hijacking is an irritation than can easily, easily be solved - just ask Telkom and Eskom none of their bakkies get hijacked anymore. Why? Because the thieves are convinced there are tracking devices installed. And you must somehow convince a hijacker that your car also has a tracking device:

http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/VehicleSecurity "...www.datadotsecurity.com or www.datadot.co.za sprays thousands of micro dots on the vehicle. With a http://www.donthijackme.co.za sticker on the bumper the thief can determine if the vehicle does have micro dots or not by looking up the registration number on the website. This database should be available in a text file for easy downloading. Thus crime syndicates can keep local copies on their PCs. Everything is done so that the crime syndicates can know exactly which vehicles have tracking devices. This is why hardly any http://www.escom.co.za and http://www.telkom.co.za bakkies gets hijacked. The syndicates knows that every single vehicle of theirs has a tracking device...."

"...The man pulled him roughly from the car and took him inside, demanding the key to a security gate between the garage and the house...."

Keys alone are not enough. A keypad that will allow the gates to be opened under duress is the answer. The crook forces you to type in a number but the number alerts the security in real-time that it was entered under duress.
 
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i left south africa a while ago...
people left behind:
mom, dad, brother (and his wife and their daughter)
sister (and her husband)
all my friends
my wife's brothers, mom and stepdad, and dad and stepmom

of the list above, how many are still in s.a. now?
zero family, some friends still in s.a.
most have either died, shot, or emigrated.
 
@captainwifi,

I reported your post as OT .. It has nothing to do with the current topic... please can you keep that in mind.
 
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