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The report I read said he was trying to catch up to the tail after his pitstop, and he passed the tractor at 155mph. Was it incorrect?
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That video is Jules Bianchi's crash. How is it relevant to how fast Gasly was travelling in zero vis?
The purpose of the safety car is to manage how fast the drivers go past the dangerous point in the circuit. Gasly was not doing safety car speeds.
Tinuva
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Possibly. What report is this. As far as I understand gasly did get a penalty for speeding after the tractor and if he was speeding before he would have had another penalty.
Look. I might be wrong on this but how I understand it.
Speedster
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Are you asking about the uproar regarding the tractor or the speeding?
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'Could have f*****g killed myself!' - Gasly nearly crashes into recovery tractor
A very scary moment at the Japanese Grand Prix.
metro.co.uk
"The FIA announced that they would be investigating the incident promptly, and with a later statement appeared to at least partly blame Gasly for what happened: ‘Car 10 [Gasly], which had collected damage and pitted behind the Safety Car, was driving at high speed to catch up to the field.
‘As conditions were deteriorating, the Red Flag was shown before Car 10 passed the location of the incident where it had been damaged the previous lap.’"
They say because the vis was so bad he didn't see the red flag. If the vis was so bad, then surely doing that kind of speed under a safety car is pure recklessness.
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I'm asking about why gasly was so pissed off and people seem to think he was justified. My belief is that he was ALREADY pissed off because of that piece of advertising hoarding on his front wing (justifiably) and his judgement was impaired due to this.
Tinuva
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Look I agree with your last statement, but the correct procedure in my opinion is, the tractor should have waited for all cars to be collected by the safety car before going out in those conditions.
'Could have f*****g killed myself!' - Gasly nearly crashes into recovery tractor
A very scary moment at the Japanese Grand Prix.
"The FIA announced that they would be investigating the incident promptly, and with a later statement appeared to at least partly blame Gasly for what happened: ‘Car 10 [Gasly], which had collected damage and pitted behind the Safety Car, was driving at high speed to catch up to the field.
‘As conditions were deteriorating, the Red Flag was shown before Car 10 passed the location of the incident where it had been damaged the previous lap.’"
They say because the vis was so bad he didn't see the red flag. If the vis was so bad, then surely doing that kind of speed under a safety car is pure recklessness.
The other point is, even the team didn't warn gasly over the radio to stay on opposite side of the road, so they also were not aware of the tractor
Tinuva
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He is justified about the tractor. As for the speed, no not justified and he did get his penalty.
In those conditions, that tractor could have killed him. Safety first and that tractor should have waited.
Mike Hoxbig
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Unfortunately I can't find my source so I cant prove the following, and it may have been on video or in print, but:
Bonito said that Leclerc did not gain any advantage and that the Telemetry shows that Chico was actually closer to Leclerc after he rejoined the track than he was at the time he went off.
So no advantage was gained.
He then said that he chose not to appeal as it would have only have delayed the WC win to a later race and that Max was a worthy Champion.
Thestealth
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Not the same. Vettel moved the Parc ferme board to his car so that cancelled the penalty.
quovadis
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It's lasting benefit. The checkered flag was a lap early Le Clerc had no opportunity to reduce the benefit - if any.
I'll refer to a previous precedent set in Miami this year where they used the following to judge the incident "The Stewards reviewed the video and GPS data evidence and determined that although the driver of Car 14 left the track and rejoined, the time difference to the two following Cars (31 and 23) remained unchanged, thus the Stewards concluded that no lasting advantage was gained. "
Now Checo was closer to Charles a short time after so there's no lasting benefit. That's not clutching at straws. It's definitely an argument to be made.
No, probably because the championship has been declared already.
Lol...where were you in 2021 when Merc took the matter to the FIA POST-Verstappen being crowned champion? They still wanted to continue with the matter.
Anyways, luckily there are experts involved and it's not up to some random MyBBer who's crying over Verstappen winning (convincingly!) in 2022. I wasn't referring to you by the way.
Le Clerc, if he REALLy wanted too, could have said something. He didn't. Funny that...
quovadis
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If you review the onboard Gasly pitted under SC to full wets and a new nose. He then stayed within the SC lap time delta well trying to rejoin the pack which is standard and legal. It was still SC status on his way to the back and then changed to Red - Approximately 2 seconds later he passed the tractor which was close to the racing line. If anything he was on the right tire and gained a free pit stop if they didn't red flag the race so nothing to be upset about. The same tractor was also there on track while at least Bottas, Latifi, Vettel (from what I've viewed) who were passing and all doing similar speeds under SC and not red flag conditions.
quovadis
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Thank you for you valuable & sanctimonious contribution. I'm not crying over anything in fact if you scrollup you'll note:
Try being an adult for once and understand that F1 and the regulations are very technical and are open to debate.
12 races. Or is math not your strong point here? Twelve races won.
daveza
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A tractor on an active track in minimal visibility.
Not somebody's best idea, safety car or not.
Not somebody's best idea, safety car or not.
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