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caroper

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The highlights package will be the start plus 2 laps and then the last 3 laps :)
 
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Last week Vettel accelerated into Hamilton and screamed "Break Test" into the radio.
This week he has a bad start and screams "Jumped Start" into the radio.

He is the master of misdirection and knows that because he is a Ferrari driver it will trigger an automatic investigation.
 
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caroper said:
Last week Vettel accelerated into Hamilton and screamed "Break Test" into the radio.
This week he has a bad start and screams "Jumped Start" into the radio.

He is the master of misdirection and knows that because he is a Ferrari driver it will trigger an automatic investigation.
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Cool story. Even Ricciardo called in a jump start though.
 
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caroper said:
Last week Vettel accelerated into Hamilton and screamed "Break Test" into the radio.
This week he has a bad start and screams "Jumped Start" into the radio.

He is the master of misdirection and knows that because he is a Ferrari driver it will trigger an automatic investigation.
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That's a tad dramatic...

Certainly more dramatic than the race, but not terrible and a good way to spend a Sunday afternoon.
 
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It was a damn good start though. 0.2sec reaction time, the best ever measured was 0.18sec at the beijing Olympics apparently - I have no facts to back that up though, I am just repeating what the SKY commentators said.
 
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caroper said:
Last week Vettel accelerated into Hamilton and screamed "Break Test" into the radio.
This week he has a bad start and screams "Jumped Start" into the radio.

He is the master of misdirection and knows that because he is a Ferrari driver it will trigger an automatic investigation.
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To be fair to Seb, it was very close. If you watch the replay, the lights were still on and fading when he moved, but it was very close
 
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One thing that was interesting was a vast Sea of orange Shirts with only the occasional red.
At one point the camera panned over an almost empty embankment with one person sitting next to a large Ferrari sign and onto a grandstand full of Verstappen supporters.
I imagine that SPA will be even more Orange.
 
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Vettel should concentrate on the lights.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/130635/vettel-certain-unhuman-bottas-jumped-start

The Ferrari driver said that he was certain Bottas had jumped the start lights, but also accepted that the stewards are the ones who judge the legality.

On-screen graphics in the television coverage put Bottas's reaction time at 0.201s.

"From my point of view, he jumped the start - I was sure that he did," said Vettel.

"It looked like it from inside the car, but it's not for me to judge at the end of the day.

"[My start] was quite tricky for me to keep standing still. it was OK, a bit of wheelspin early on."

When asked to clarify why he believed it was a jump start, Vettel described Bottas's getaway as "unhuman".

"When I say I don't believe, I don't believe," said Vettel.

"Normally, the reactions are 0.2s for everyone, so I don't believe everyone was slower today.

"So that is why I don't believe Valtteri was so much quicker.

"I was a strong believer that he jumped the start, but it turns out he didn't - that is why I don't believe it.

"His start was unhuman."
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Bottas definitely moved fractionally before the lights went out, but it was too small for the sensors to pick up no doubt. The rule states
Jump start

When a driver moves off his grid position before the five red lights have been switched off to signal the start. Sensors detect premature movement and a jump start earns a driver a penalty.
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Take a look at the purple lettering on the front right.

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caroper

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The telemetry systems on these cars are measuring peco seconds and miniscule movement.
If they can measure that he reacted in 201 ms we can assume a resolution of 1ms.
If the instruments are that accurate then surely they could judge a jumped start.
Or are we saying that Vettels gut feel is more accurate than the instrumentation?

Vettel is just upset that Bottas didn't have to apologise.
 
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Pic 3 of Sabre Wolf's post shows the lights out and the car hasn't moved, that alone should be enough (for everyone but the whining child that Vettel has become).
 
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