Fans declare war on Saru

What's the point of this thread? (that we have not already discussed in the rugby sub-forum?)

Is it because a group of disgruntled folks burnt a Bok jersey when PdV was NOT present?

Is it that PdV supports some of the things that this group stands for?

Or is it a pure sporting question comparing PdV and HM?
 
Pitbull said:
He's useless drunk.

And EVERYONE knows he achieved what he did with JW's team. He did nothing special, or dare I say nothing at all :o
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Uhm, not really fair is it. JW's team was 70% Rudolf Strueli's team. Sure PdV's team was more like 80% JW's team, but you choose the best players. Also almost all of PdV's players (with the exception of the older few) were in PdV's U19 and U21 teams he won the JWC with and came runners up with.

Ho3n3r said:
And left Meyer with building a new squad after that.

Peter de Villiers had a winning percentage of 62%. Meyer is currently on 65%.
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Meyer also used most of PdV's team. Sure there are some new blood in there, but you would expect that wouldn't you? I fully expect that there will be close to 20 players in the squad that was used in PdV's tenure.

On topic: Yes PdV shouldn't have associated himself with this group. He is just alienating himself even more.
 
rza said:
So PdV has a better record against NZ/AUS than Heyneke Meyer? Did JW had a better against AUS/NZ than PdW?
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Relevance? Peter de Villiers lost a match against Scotland, Meyer never did. Does that mean anything? Doubt it. You have to look at the overall record.

Heyneke Meyer has a 57% winning record vs. Australia, De Villiers' was 33%. Which also doesn't prove either was better, as again, overall matters more.
 
Pitbull said:
So you ignore the fact that PdV was given a World Cup winning team built from scratch by JW?

Even you could have coached them and had the exact same success. That is a FACT!
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I'll deal with the analysis of their careers when I have the stats in front of me. Fortunately stats are unbiased.
 
Ho3n3r said:
Relevance? Peter de Villiers lost a match against Scotland, Meyer never did. Does that mean anything? Doubt it. You have to look at the overall record.

Heyneke Meyer has a 57% winning record vs. Australia, De Villiers' was 33%. Which also doesn't prove either was better, as again, overall matters more.
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Thanks for that piece of stats against AUS. Do you have the same against NZ, and the number of Tri-Nations/Rugby Championships each won? Please include JW.
 
phoneJunky said:
Meyer also used most of PdV's team. Sure there are some new blood in there, but you would expect that wouldn't you? I fully expect that there will be close to 20 players in the squad that was used in PdV's tenure.
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12 of the starting 15 in Piet Helium's last starting squad were in the starting 15 in the 2007 final. You'd be hard-pressed to find even 5 of Meyer's starting line-up in the 2011 quarter-final squad. Which is normal, because no team ever goes from world cup to world cup with a 100% new team either.

And the only 3 snorkop was missing, was because of retirements, otherwise he probably would've picked the exact same 15, because he had no idea what he was doing.
 
Pitbull said:
So you ignore the fact that PdV was given a World Cup winning team built from scratch by JW?

Even you could have coached them and had the exact same success. That is a FACT!
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While this is true, we all know that we were lucky to win that World Cup. We had the softest route towards the semi's where we met the where we also didn't meet the All Blacks (and it wasn't a forward pass as NZ fans wanted us to believe, momentum makes the ball move forward) as anticipated in the semis or Aus (can't remember what happened to them) in the final as anticipated.

And I doubt your second point, as none of us ever even coached a team to JWCs.
 
Pitbull said:
What a nice way to destroy any credibility he might have had as a future coach to ANY rugby team in the world. Stupid people are just stupid :D

They should be more worried about the fact that Frans Steyn is not part of the Squad no more. He is a game winner in tests. We needed his boot most of all.
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we shall see, i was at the uk embassy yesterday applying for my visa, there were 15 bok players there as well, including francois steyn.
 
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http://www.grafika24.com/comparison-between-meyer-and-de-villiers/
 
phoneJunky said:
While this is true, we all know that we were lucky to win that World Cup. We had the softest route towards the semi's where we met the where we also didn't meet the All Blacks (and it wasn't a forward pass as NZ fans wanted us to believe, momentum makes the ball move forward) as anticipated in the semis or Aus (can't remember what happened to them) in the final as anticipated.

And I doubt your second point, as none of us ever even coached a team to JWCs.
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Lol. Then we can just agree to disagree.
 
rza said:
I'm not a fanatic rugby fan, I only watch semifinals of the Super Rugby/Currie Cup and Boks matches against AUS/NZ, and the World Cup, so please give me stats.

Who won more Rugby Championships/Tri-Nations between PdV, HM, and JW?
What's the total win/loss record between PdV, HM, and JW?
What's the total win/loss against NZ/AUS between PdV, HM, and JW?

Please.
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No you want fact that support your agenda and blatantly avoid the given facts as they don't support your agenda. Simple as that.
 
rza said:
I'm not a fanatic rugby fan, I only watch semifinals of the Super Rugby/Currie Cup and Boks matches against AUS/NZ, and the World Cup, so please give me stats.

Who won more Rugby Championships/Tri-Nations between PdV, HM, and JW?
What's the total win/loss record between PdV, HM, and JW?
What's the total win/loss against NZ/AUS between PdV, HM, and JW?

Please.
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Meyer's record is better against both Australia and Scotland. You have no point, you're just trying to selectively use stats to back up your flawed argument.
 
Ho3n3r said:
12 of the starting 15 in Piet Helium's last starting squad were in the starting 15 in the 2007 final. You'd be hard-pressed to find even 5 of Meyer's starting line-up in the 2011 quarter-final squad. Which is normal, because no team ever goes from world cup to world cup with a 100% new team either.

And the only 3 snorkop was missing, was because of retirements, otherwise he probably would've picked the exact same 15, because he had no idea what he was doing.
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You know that that is easy to verify hey.

PdV's last game
South Africa Lambie; Pietersen, Fourie, De Villiers, Habana (Hougaard, 49); M Steyn, Du Preez; Steenkamp, Smit (capt; B du Plessis, 49), J du Plessis, Rossouw, Matfield, Burger, Brussow (Louw, 19), Spies (Alberts, 63).

JW winning WC game:

FB 15 Percy Montgomery
RW 14 JP Pietersen
OC 13 Jaque Fourie
IC 12 François Steyn
LW 11 Bryan Habana
FH 10 Butch James
SH 9 Fourie du Preez
N8 8 Danie Rossouw
OF 7 Juan Smith
BF 6 Schalk Burger
RL 5 Victor Matfield
LL 4 Bakkies Botha
TP 3 CJ van der Linde
HK 2 John Smit (c)
LP 1 Os du Randt

So only 8 of his last starting were in the starting 15 winning the WC. How much do you think is going to be in HM's team. I think about 5, maybe 6. Not so far off in my opinion.
 
Pitbull said:
No you want fact that support your agenda and blatantly avoid the given facts as they don't support your agenda. Simple as that.
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I'm a cricket fanatic, and whenever people tell me that Ricky Ponting was better than Jacques Kallis in tests I always tell them that they need to start their argument from the stats point of view and move on from there, because stats are unbiased and have no feelings and emotions. I have not claimed that PdV is better than HM, I want to make up my mind based on the stats in front of us. The fact that PdV inherited a team from JW is a good point to consider as well to nullify the stats, so I wont ignore it. So please give us the stats, otherwise we sound like the idiots who are burning the jersey.
 
Ho3n3r said:
Meyer's record is better against both Australia and Scotland. You have no point, you're just trying to selectively use stats to back up your flawed argument.
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What argument is that?
 
rza said:
I'm a cricket fanatic, and whenever people tell me that Ricky Ponting was better than Jacques Kallis in tests I always tell them that they need to start their argument from the stats point of view and move on from there, because stats are unbiased and have no feelings and emotions. I have not claimed that PdV is better than HM, I want to make up my mind based on the stats in front of us. The fact that PdV inherited a team from JW is a good point to consider as well to nullify the stats, so I wont ignore it. So please give us the stats, otherwise we sound like the idiots who are burning the jersey.
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Simple stats... HM has a better win record than PdV.
 
Mr Feesh said:
we shall see, i was at the uk embassy yesterday applying for my visa, there were 15 bok players there as well, including francois steyn.
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I farking hope so. News broke this morning that he's not going.

I'll try find a source.
 
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