Ferrari Luce (EV)

Very interesting video, but I don't understand this quote: "There are three keywords: Ferrari, Ferrari, Ferrari."

Mkay? Getting a bit high on their own supply?

I don't mind Ferrari trying out a bold new design, but they should not have brought an outside supplier in for this.
The overwhelming history of Ferrari has been the use of external design partners. I'd guess less than a decade where there wasn't any external/leftover design cues from Pininfarina. It's certainly a bold new design perhaps for a new category of customer.
 
The overwhelming history of Ferrari has been the use of external design partners. I'd guess less than a decade where there wasn't any external/leftover design cues from Pininfarina. It's certainly a bold new design perhaps for a new category of customer.
Look, the physical launch control lever at the roof that you pull down is sick, and is going to be copied all over no doubt. And you might be right that it's for a new kind of customer ... but Ferrari can't risk to alienate their entire customer base currently by suddenly turning into something else. Talk about ripping off the plaster.
 
Motoring journalists that blow smoke up this things butt need to be dragged into the street and tarred and feathered. lol.
 
Look, the physical launch control lever at the roof that you pull down is sick, and is going to be copied all over no doubt. And you might be right that it's for a new kind of customer ... but Ferrari can't risk to alienate their entire customer base currently by suddenly turning into something else. Talk about ripping off the plaster.
I doubt they're alienating anyone. They can't even keep up with the demand on current models. In saying that, there's also plenty of purists who hate the current generation styling of cars too. When Porsche launched the Panamera and the Cayenne the reaction was rough as well. Now they're simply a model available and Macans, Cayennes and Panameras outsell the rest of the lineup combined 3:1.

What Ferrari has done is screw up the launch of this car and the messaging behind it. I don't think there's any intent to let go of the heritage and replace it - it's simply a new Ferrari model that will be loved or hated. Sales will tell.
 
For those who haven't seen it - quite a nice explanation of the interface/dash design. Something that Ferrari has improved over the years but is still clunky in even their newest models.

 
Sales will tell.
Their share price has dropped on the back of the launch.

It will be interesting to see how sales of this model go.

It unfortunately broke far enough away from Ferrari that it's basically tupperware with a Ferrari badge. The interior is bland, looking like it came from a bakkie (but like 2 gens back, because current Bakkies actually look better). People don't buy a brand like Ferrari for economy purposes, they buy for the name and the soul.

There will probably be enough people that want to "flex" their "first Ferrari EV" that there will be sales of the thing.
 
For those who haven't seen it - quite a nice explanation of the interface/dash changes. Something that Ferrari has improved over the years but is still clunky in even their newest models.

The steering wheel looks epic. The infotainment system looks like they ran out of time and slapped an iPad onto a monitor mount and put it in the middle of the cabin.
 
Their share price has dropped on the back of the launch.
I wouldn't pay attention to the share price as an indication of anything considering its movements over the past 6 months.
It will be interesting to see how sales of this model go.
I think I've said it already, I wouldn't be surprised if the allocations have already sold out.
It unfortunately broke far enough away from Ferrari that it's basically tupperware with a Ferrari badge. The interior is bland, looking like it came from a bakkie (but like 2 gens back, because current Bakkies actually look better). People don't buy a brand like Ferrari for economy purposes, they buy for the name and the soul.
Ferrari did say they expect 80% of the customers for the Luce to not be existing customers. There's an addressable market and it's still a Ferrari, just a different one.
There will probably be enough people that want to "flex" their "first Ferrari EV" that there will be sales of the thing.
No doubt. But they also have a completely new drivetrain, factory etc to launch the next EV and I'd bet it'll tick all the boxes for the next generation of EV supercar that will even get petrolheads excited (at least from a styling perspective).
The steering wheel looks epic. The infotainment system looks like they ran out of time and slapped an iPad onto a monitor mount and put it in the middle of the cabin.
The iPad thing could be better integrated but even Ferrari's current models have a clunky portrait orientated touch screen that lags terribly and touch buttons that aren't the greatest, activate if you just brush them by accident and don't feel like quality . I'm guessing they will take elements that work and go from there.
 
I wouldn't pay attention to the share price as an indication of anything considering its movements over the past 6 months.
True... a continuing downward trend might not necessarily have been influenced much by the launch.

I think I've said it already, I wouldn't be surprised if the allocations have already sold out.
I've seen people saying this online too. To me ... it's wild because of what the resulting car is.

Ferrari did say they expect 80% of the customers for the Luce to not be existing customers. There's an addressable market and it's still a Ferrari, just a different one.
I guess they are not making this one of their "premium-you-have-to-have-owned-other-models-to-buy-this-one" models. lol.

No doubt. But they also have a completely new drivetrain, factory etc to launch the next EV and I'd bet it'll tick all the boxes for the next generation of EV supercar that will even get petrolheads excited (at least from a styling perspective).
On paper even the EV portion is bland... it barely keeps up with the "normie" EVs and struggles alongside more premium brands.

The iPad thing could be better integrated but even Ferrari's current models have a clunky portrait orientated touch screen that lags terribly and touch buttons that aren't the greatest, activate if you just brush them by accident and don't feel like quality . I'm guessing they will take elements that work and go from there.
The whole interior is horrid to me. It looks like a blerrie bakkie inside. It's all blocks... there's no character.


For me (who can't afford it at the moment... lol) it's a fail in terms of a "Ferrari" and an "EV". Surely they could have been "ground breaking" (releasing their first EV) and kept a more "Ferrari-like" look? Would that not have attracted a new market AND people from the current customer base?
 
The overwhelming history of Ferrari has been the use of external design partners. I'd guess less than a decade where there wasn't any external/leftover design cues from Pininfarina. It's certainly a bold new design perhaps for a new category of customer.
What category of customer? I'd like to know who's going to replace the existing Ferrari faithful who would want nothing to do with this. And anyone with that much money could probably just go get a Rimac anyway.

Don't think there would be this much mocking the looks if it cost $500k less. What are you actually getting for $500k more that a Tesla doesn't give you. Pay $500k more and get something that looks worse and doesn't offer much more, yeah I can see everyone flocking to get one...
 
What category of customer? I'd like to know who's going to replace the existing Ferrari faithful who would want nothing to do with this. And anyone with that much money could probably just go get a Rimac anyway.
The mistake is thinking they are wanting to replace any of their customers. Ferrari will continue on a more diversified range of models. Just as Porsche, Lamborghini, Aston Martin etc have done.
Don't think there would be this much mocking the looks if it cost $500k less. What are you actually getting for $500k more that a Tesla doesn't give you. Pay $500k more and get something that looks worse and doesn't offer much more, yeah I can see everyone flocking to get one...
If someone wants a Tesla they'll buy a Tesla. If someone wants a Ferrari EV they'll buy a Ferrari EV. The price is secondary at this level. These people are buying watches for the same price as the EV.
 
I've seen people saying this online too. To me ... it's wild because of what the resulting car is.
It's not a mass market product. People forget this. Tesla made $5bn profit selling probably close on 2 million cars. Ferrari made less than $2bn selling less than 15,000.
I guess they are not making this one of their "premium-you-have-to-have-owned-other-models-to-buy-this-one" models. lol.
I'm sure you'll get bonus points for buying one of these too.
On paper even the EV portion is bland... it barely keeps up with the "normie" EVs and struggles alongside more premium brands.
First generation. They need them to be reliable so it'll be conservative in terms of pushing the limits especially since they need some fat for whatever comes next.
The whole interior is horrid to me. It looks like a blerrie bakkie inside. It's all blocks... there's no character.
Same could be said for all manner of Ferrari's even during their time. Jony Ive has a Ferrari 250 Europa. I'm guessing there may be some inspiration from that.
For me (who can't afford it at the moment... lol) it's a fail in terms of a "Ferrari" and an "EV". Surely they could have been "ground breaking" (releasing their first EV) and kept a more "Ferrari-like" look? Would that not have attracted a new market AND people from the current customer base?
Most of the current generation Ferarri's look more like American muscle cars than the Pininfarina curves most love. I really would like to see the car in person to make a judgment but it does seem to follow a little bit of this American muscle shaping but with current "EV curves" in places.
 
Luca Cordero di Montezemolo, former chairman of Ferrari from 1991 until 2014, had some choice words on the polarising Ferrari Luce EV on Tuesday.

Translated from Italian, he said:

“If I were to say what I really think, it would be unpleasant, so I prefer not to comment. I just hope someone removes the Prancing Horse from that car. We risk destroying a legend, which saddens me greatly. At least this is a car the Chinese won’t copy.”

 
Luca Cordero di Montezemolo, former chairman of Ferrari from 1991 until 2014, had some choice words on the polarising Ferrari Luce EV on Tuesday.

Translated from Italian, he said:

“If I were to say what I really think, it would be unpleasant, so I prefer not to comment. I just hope someone removes the Prancing Horse from that car. We risk destroying a legend, which saddens me greatly. At least this is a car the Chinese won’t copy.”
The guy who wanted to cap Ferrari production to 7,000 vehicles per year.
 
Would like to visit this thread in a few years.
I think it looks pretty good. This blue colour does not work and that aero wheels looks horrible.
Check this video with it in red and proper wheels. Looks pretty good. remember its not a small sports car.
Someone is going to design some nice wing for the back and it will sell pretty good I think(for that huge price)
 
Well since it's been marketed almost in Mansory turquoise... cue the Mansory wide body upgraded Luce concept ... :laugh:

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Honestly MILES better. They should hire you (and your bot buddy... lol).

IMO they SHOULD have done something waaaay more like this. EV was already "ground breaking" enough to not have to go with the design that was left out in the rain or some kak. lol
 
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