Fight against SA's Affirmative Action

evilstebunny said:
I'm afraid its going to be the latter..

Current government thrives on the divisions they've created, they're not interested in forging us together as a nation like Mandela did. Whites could've made one hellova contribution towards keeping SA a powerhouse on the continent, but your leaders are more interested in keeping us fighting each other (and foreigners) to divert focus from their shenanigans.

In a functioning democracy ordinary citizens would get together, stand up against government and ask 'what is this crap?'. Instead the majority is lapping everything up & playing right into their hands. Sad really.
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Mandela gave the perpetrators and beneficiaries of Apartheid a clean bill of health despite their screw ups. He gave them a free get out of jail card. Unfortunately, that has led them to not talking responsibility of their actions. All we are saying is share the economy with those that were repressed so that we can all benefit from the fruit of the land, alas that is a bitter pill to swallow. They would go to the extend of going to the UN simply because steps are taken to equalise the gap between black and white.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/nathanwpyle/this-teacher-taught-his-class-a-powerful-lesson-about-privil
 
Mila said:
Yes. Use a ( free) condom until you can afford it. Stop moaning about every little thing you are not getting for free, you are the biggest manner of them all, pointing fingers at These people make you look like a spoilt little bully that got handed his ass on a plate in the school yard. If you are poor and can't feed and educate a child properly you have no business having kids.

Why is that such a difficult concept?
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Why do you want to punish people for being poor?

It's not their fault they were left destitute by the apartheid system
 
.QQ. said:
As usual? I don't recall ever replying to you directly before.

"20 kids" was an arbitrary number in response to the person you quoted, who was commenting on "breeding like rabbits".

So my question remains, why would anyone have children without the means to give them a proper life? (Let alone multiple children)
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why talk in the arbitrary when there are facts? To answer your question, personally, no.
 
.QQ. said:
As usual? I don't recall ever replying to you directly before.

"20 kids" was an arbitrary number in response to the person you quoted, who was commenting on "breeding like rabbits".

So my question remains, why would anyone have children without the means to give them a proper life? (Let alone multiple children)
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why talk in the arbitrary when there are facts? To answer your question, personally, no.
 
ngwe23 said:
Mandela gave the perpetrators and beneficiaries of Apartheid a clean bill of health despite their screw ups. He gave them a free get out of jail card. Unfortunately, that has led them to not talking responsibility of their actions. All we are saying is share the economy with those that were repressed so that we can all benefit from the fruit of the land, alas that is a bitter pill to swallow. They would go to the extend of going to the UN simply because steps are taken to equalise the gap between black and white.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/nathanwpyle/this-teacher-taught-his-class-a-powerful-lesson-about-privil
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Mandela collectively with others made the transitional decisions, this was conducted by CODESA. I also like the moral taught by the teacher to his students,

“Your job — as students who are receiving an education — is to be aware of your privilege. And use this particular privilege called “education” to do your best to achieve great things, all the while advocating for those in the rows behind you.”
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Education.
 
ngwe23 said:
So you are saying that child birth should be the preserve of the rich?
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Oh dear... (and shakes head)

I'm not saying ****, I'm asking you a question... If you cannot look after yourself how will you look after a child?
 
irBosOtter said:
Oh dear... (and shakes head)

I'm not saying ****, I'm asking you a question... If you cannot look after yourself how will you look after a child?
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Unfortunately money is not an indication of your ability to look after a child. Many poor people are wonderful parents while many rich people are just awful parents
 
ngwe23 said:
why talk in the arbitrary when there are facts? To answer your question, personally, no.
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I don't think you understand the context I was using it in, you've answered that you personally wouldn't so lets leave it at that.

Nerfherder said:
Just wanted to address the Base facts.

The failings of the current regime have little to do with the relevance of AA
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Actually I think you'll find the facts are that Clinton was impeached.

Wikipedia said:
After the 1998 elections, the House voted to impeach Clinton, based on alleged acts of perjury and obstruction of justice related to the Lewinsky scandal.[36] This made Clinton the second U.S. President to be impeached, after Andrew Johnson.
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Impeachment in the states allows the senate to charge officials for crimes while in office, it doesn't actually mean that they were found guilty.

It's a subtle but important distinction, I can see how you were confused.
 
NiTeD said:
I don't think UN is going to do anything for Afriforum, they've never done anything about anything before.
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I don't think the point is necessarily to expect the UN to do anything other than "confirm" and "validate" with the report. I mean if all the UN did was announce that they believe the ANC govt. is participating in racism and are pushing the whole AA thing way past the accepted limits, then it will be a type of "racist regime card" that whites [and the rest of the world] can play whenever the "apartheid card" is pulled out.

The ANC/Blacks are never guilty of racism "because apartheid" , but this would actually brand them racist in the international arena....even if the UN do nothing, imho , it will leave a very dark stain on the reputation of the ANC .

Surely , somewhere, being considered a regime that contravenes basic human rights conventions is not a good thing.
 
OrbitalDawn said:
What do they expect the UN to do exactly?
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The international exposure of the ANC's racist policies is of paramount importance. If proven to be true then international pressure, including but not limited to: exclusion from loans, further investment downgrading, lock-out from trade benefits, disinvestment, closure of foreign embassies, sanctions, are just some of the moves member states may take in order to force the dismantling of racist legislation.
 
.QQ. said:
I don't think you understand the context I was using it in, you've answered that you personally wouldn't so lets leave it at that.



Actually I think you'll find the facts are that Clinton was impeached.



Impeachment in the states allows the senate to charge officials for crimes while in office, it doesn't actually mean that they were found guilty.

It's a subtle but important distinction, I can see how you were confused.
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Then how is your point valid? Nothing happened to Clinton and nothing happened to Zuma... Sorry what was your point again?
 
Milano said:
The international exposure of the ANC's racist policies is of paramount importance. If proven to be true then international pressure, including but not limited to: exclusion from loans, further investment downgrading, lock-out from trade benefits, disinvestment, closure of foreign embassies, sanctions, are just some of the moves member states may take in order to force the dismantling of racist legislation.
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Do you think China and Russia, or any BRICK member, will be coherent under these conditions?
 
Milano said:
The international exposure of the ANC's racist policies is of paramount importance. If proven to be true then international pressure, including but not limited to: exclusion from loans, further investment downgrading, lock-out from trade benefits, disinvestment, closure of foreign embassies, sanctions, are just some of the moves member states may take in order to force the dismantling of racist legislation.
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That's not going to happen. The international community recognises the need for redress in this country
 
Sherbang said:
I disagree, AA is about economic status and white people are still the majority in terms of wealth, education and employment.
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Probably late to this but **** me, if they used what was given to them and created some kind of future AA would not be needed.
But destroying and squandering everything is obviously the brighter alternative.
 
Sherbang said:
That's not going to happen. The international community recognises the need for redress in this country
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This is a legal issue, not one of vague sentiment. If current legislation fails to meet the UN charter then SA will be in violation.
 
Bizkit87 said:
so for all this 'hatred' and 'legacy' of whites, why don't you guys ever mention the 1992 referendum where 68% of whites voted to end apartheid ?? Why is this never mentioned ? Or have you forgot that 'whites' also played a role in ending apartheid ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_apartheid_referendum,_1992
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This is conveniently forgotten. Those facts died with Mandela. Like the fact that the majority-white SADF maintained law and order to ensure a peaceful transition, instead of engaging in a civil war. These are inconvenient truths.
 
Beerisgood said:
Black people are not doing well. I work and travel amongst a lot of black people every day and I see a lot of hardship and suffering. I hope everyone on this forum reads this.
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Think that the majority of people, do not realise the extent of the abject poverty out there. And most on the forum, care too ****s about other's problems. In general people have lost compassion, it few and far apart that you find wholesome humanity these days. Everybody just trying to make it through day....bloody hell, a real crap story we in at the moment.
 
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