Fires in Australia

[The Voice]

This is from 2013

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I don't think "greenies" always specifically refers to the Green party, but to environmentalists as a whole. While the work they want to do and what they want to achieve is good in the much, much longer term, they don't always think about the consequences of their immediate actions. Perfect example is campaigning against burning off, as well as the protection of carbon offset trees which if located in designated burn off areas (or even on people's properties!) cannot be touched.

Will post the article when I'm in the office, but an Australian fireman was fined $100k for burning off patches close to his house. Later, his house was the only one standing after a major bush fire. Any argument that it isn't necessary or doesn't work is simply wrong.

 

[Pegging]

I don't think "greenies" always specifically refers to the Green party, but to environmentalists as a whole. While the work they want to do and what they want to achieve is good in the much, much longer term, they don't always think about the consequences of their immediate actions. Perfect example is campaigning against burning off, as well as the protection of carbon offset trees which if located in designated burn off areas (or even on people's properties!) cannot be touched.

We use fire breaks here, not always effective though.

I see in some places they use goats.

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Using Goats to Prevent Wildfires

Communities worried about the ravages of wildfires are embracing a four-legged solution

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[The Voice]

We use fire breaks here, not always effective though.

I see in some places they use goats.

Reuters | Breaking International News & Views

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Using Goats to Prevent Wildfires

Communities worried about the ravages of wildfires are embracing a four-legged solution

www.smithsonianmag.com

Fire isn't always bad, either. It's vital for the fynbos in the Cape to keep growing, as an example. Of course, without it being controlled in some way, it gets out of hand quickly, especially during the dryer seasons.

 

[yebocan]

Fire isn't always bad, either. It's vital for the fynbos in the Cape to keep growing, as an example. Of course, without it being controlled in some way, it gets out of hand quickly, especially during the dryer seasons.

....yep, when the Cape Doctor opens for business.

 

[rambo919]

they don't always think about the consequences of their immediate actions.

More like they stop thinking at all beyond their idiotic mantra's, religious fanatics most of them.

 

[rietrot]

I don't think "greenies" always specifically refers to the Green party, but to environmentalists as a whole. While the work they want to do and what they want to achieve is good in the much, much longer term, they don't always think about the consequences of their immediate actions. Perfect example is campaigning against burning off, as well as the protection of carbon offset trees which if located in designated burn off areas (or even on people's properties!) cannot be touched.

Will post the article when I'm in the office, but an Australian fireman was fined $100k for burning off patches close to his house. Later, his house was the only one standing after a major bush fire. Any argument that it isn't necessary or doesn't work is simply wrong.

They are essentially communist.
They might have good intentions, but the outcome and the means by which they want to achieve their utopia is always bad.

 

[Cray]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01...n-debate-rubbish-says-vic-fire-chief/11849522

Victorian fire chief says calls for more fuel reduction burns are an 'emotional load of rubbish'

"We've had fire down the landscape here that has had burns go right through it [during colder months] and it hasn't slowed it at all," he said.

"The emotive argument is not supported that fuel reduction burning will fix all our problems.

"Some of the hysteria that this will be the solution to all our problems is really just quite an emotional load of rubbish, to be honest."

Mr Andrews highlighted the bungled 2015 planned burn near Lancefield in central Victoria — which destroyed four homes and burnt through more than 3,000 hectares of land — as a reason to exercise caution around burn

 

[C4Cat]

This is from 2013

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That's just people accusing the 'greenies' - as the links I posted above show, this is conspiracy theory nonsense. Show when and where the 'greenies' have protested and actively prevented proper forest management.

 

[Nom Chompsky]

Unfortunately I cannot read this article (subscriber locked) but will hopefully become 'free' in a few days or weeks.

Why Down Under Is Burning Up

But the byline sounds good:

Bush fires have many causes. The climate-change narrative is a gross oversimplification.

 

[Nom Chompsky]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01...n-debate-rubbish-says-vic-fire-chief/11849522

We can go back and forth about this:

So what about the fires? If Australia really wants to get the problem under control, it badly needs to get to grips with its fire hazard reduction management, things like clearing undergrowth and creating fire breaks.

There have been concerted attempts by environmentalists and others to deny this is a problem, for instance the Met Office’s Richard Betts, who would like you to believe climate change is the real problem.

However, the fire experts in Australia don’t agree with Mr Betts. The Royal Commission Black Saturday Report for instance, into the devastating bushfires of 2009 which killed 173 people, accused the Victorian state of a ‘minimalist approach to prescribed burning’, and warned that the state had ‘allowed the forests to continue accumulating excessive fuel loads’. The report called for a radical increase of prescribed burning.

However, as Jaime Jessop writes for Climate Scepticism, prescribed burning has remained at woefully low levels in both Victoria and NSW. Meanwhile there are instances of farmers being fined swingeing amounts for daring to construct fire breaks around their properties.

The reasons for this neglect of basic bush management are many – misguided green ideology, vested interests, political failure and mismanagement. But it’s far easier to blame climate change!

Don’t blame King Coal for the Aussie inferno - The Conservative Woman

Don’t blame King Coal for the Aussie inferno

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We find it very difficult in general to attribute climate change impacts to a specific event, particularly while the event is running," said Dr Richard Thornton, chief executive of the Bushfires & Natural Hazards Co-operative Research Centre.

Is climate change to blame for Australia's bushfires?

Politicians have been criticised for skirting questions on whether climate change is worsening a crisis.

www.bbc.com

 

[rambo919]

Sounds more like policy damage control or "gat cover".

The sane people says there should have been more clearing the greens say their policies of kindle hoarding was fine.

 

[rietrot]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01...n-debate-rubbish-says-vic-fire-chief/11849522

Really? A fire with less feul isn't going to be smaller? This is just stupid and the reason they are having problems.

 

[Cray]

Really? A fire with less feul isn't going to be smaller? This is just stupid and the reason they are having problems.

Did you even read the article or did you just react to the headline? Fuel reduction around homes is smart but how do you propose removing all potential fuel without denuding the landscape?

And he was specifically talking about removing fuel by burning (which has it's own problems as shown in the article). No one is suggesting that clearing brush from around homes is a not a good idea but that you cannot remove all potential fuel from an environment.

 

[rambo919]

Bush fires have many causes. The climate-change narrative is a gross oversimplification.

So "fire=bad" "green=good" is not a complete argument? Would never have thunk it.

 

[rambo919]

Is climate change to blame for Australia's bushfires?

Politicians have been criticised for skirting questions on whether climate change is worsening a crisis.

www.bbc.com

The BBC has completely lost the plot years ago

Bushfires are obviously cyclical and have nothing to do with climate change, if fires were never needed why do some seeds actually NEED fire to pop out of their pods?

Funny thing is if all bushfires are permanently stopped some plants would go extinct.

 

[Prawnapple]

3D image of Australia by Nasa. *This image was created over a period of time 5/12/19-05/01/20.

 

[rietrot]

Did you even read the article or did you just react to the headline? Fuel reduction around homes is smart but how do you propose removing all potential fuel without denuding the landscape?

And he was specifically talking about removing fuel by burning (which has it's own problems as shown in the article). No one is suggesting that clearing brush from around homes is a not a good idea but that you cannot remove all potential fuel from an environment.

You don't remove all potential feul because that's everything, you remove just enough and controlled burns actually do that quite effectively. You can also use animals like goats and have fire breaks.

Going more into it gets technical, but if you are interested there's plenty of information available with a quick Google search.

I did read the article now and it says absolutely nothing.

 

[P924]

3D image of Australia by Nasa. *This image was created over a period of time 5/12/19-05/01/20.

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No, that is not a NASA image. It is an artist's rendition of data from NASA, which includes detected hotspots over a 1 Month period.

Australia fires: Misleading maps and pictures go viral

Maps of Australia's fire crisis are spreading on social media but many are misleading.

www.bbc.com

 

[ToxicBunny]

No, that is not a NASA image. It is an artist's rendition of data from NASA, which includes detected hotspots over a 1 Month period.

Australia fires: Misleading maps and pictures go viral

Maps of Australia's fire crisis are spreading on social media but many are misleading.

www.bbc.com

Its still a relatively scary image, even when you know its an aggregation of data...

 

[P924]

Its still a relatively scary image, even when you know its an aggregation of data...

It certainly is. But people should be aware that is not a photo, and that the fires are also exaggerated. But then, most people also don't understand the scale of a country from that view-point, so it is more effective in getting the message across that way.