Around half of the 10s of thousands of bush fires in aus are arson... given current 'we will be dead in 10 years' crowd, wouldn't be surprised... will see what the people on the ground think
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Sinbad
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Are the greenies setting the fires to make the climate change message come across stronger?
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I put nothing past the nutters
There is a certain irony in greenies setting fires to make people go green..... but yeah they nuts so won't put it past them either.
Makes me think of the recent bushfires we had here..... almost all of them started by either EFF or ANC agents to destabilize DA regions from what I remember.
Makes me think of the recent bushfires we had here..... almost all of them started by either EFF or ANC agents to destabilize DA regions from what I remember.
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Australia's most prominent climate scientist.....
No.
He's a mammologist and palaeontologist who served as a commissioner on a climate commission... but even if he was a prominent climate scientist it wouldn't matter.
When making irrelevant points at least get the facts straight.
Tons of people make stupid statements about climate change so we can play this game all day, it makes no difference to the actual scientific literature on the topic.
If you really want to prove a point then find us a proper peer-reviewed and accepted paper that made these kinds of predictions so we can all laugh together.
But CNN....
Oh and he was chief commissioner of the Climate Commission formed by the labour government in 2011. Are you saying predictions made by an individual who held such a important post doesn't matter and should be dismissed?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Flannery#cite_note-About-20
Tim Flannery - Wikipedia
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Archer
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The fires are estimated to have thus far emitted 2/3 of Australia's annual man made emissions
Australia's leaders unmoved on climate action after devastating bushfires
Australia's government is sticking firmly to a position that there is no direct link between climate change and the country's devastating bushfires, despite public anger, the anguish of victims and warnings from scientists.
www.reuters.com
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Humorous commentary - but the scene of destruction and human suffering ... the wildlife,
Just so hilarious
love how the folks swear at the PM calling him a cnut and whatnot to his face. Some serious moments of awkwardness when they refuse to shake the PM's hand
Moosedrool
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I've never been a climate change denier. If you pump material into the atmosphere with a higher optic density you are destabilising a system. Heat gets trapped and CO2 buildup accelerates. I don't think it's not a serious problem the world shouldn't address.
However.
I am a "Carbotaxwillfixeverything" denier,
a "Theworldwillendin15years" denier
and a "Firesaretheresultofclimatechange" denier.
Over a 800 year period Australia has become a drier country. There is no baseline control to indicate that this wouldn't have happened if you eliminate human induced heating throughout this period on a global level. Many and I mean nearly all crazies call the above statement climate change denial and it isn't. It's being sceptical of a very specific claim.
This is my issue with the whole doomsday crowd. A long track tornado can tear its way through Roodepoort and they'll point to climate change. It's absurd. And if it happens again 2 years later they'll use it as confirmation. Yet these events actually do happen occasionally and might seem like strange coincidences to the inexperienced. Not the scientists actually measuring warming and doing the real work though, the crazies who's life has been cared for in such a manner that any event or change from their content tranquil environments is somehow out of the ordinary.
However.
I am a "Carbotaxwillfixeverything" denier,
a "Theworldwillendin15years" denier
and a "Firesaretheresultofclimatechange" denier.
Over a 800 year period Australia has become a drier country. There is no baseline control to indicate that this wouldn't have happened if you eliminate human induced heating throughout this period on a global level. Many and I mean nearly all crazies call the above statement climate change denial and it isn't. It's being sceptical of a very specific claim.
This is my issue with the whole doomsday crowd. A long track tornado can tear its way through Roodepoort and they'll point to climate change. It's absurd. And if it happens again 2 years later they'll use it as confirmation. Yet these events actually do happen occasionally and might seem like strange coincidences to the inexperienced. Not the scientists actually measuring warming and doing the real work though, the crazies who's life has been cared for in such a manner that any event or change from their content tranquil environments is somehow out of the ordinary.
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The hottest day in recorded history is not a temperature that happens every few years, neither is it normal. Each time it happens is the first time it's reached that temp. In Australia that day was the 17th December 2019. Next time the hottest day is recorded will be this year, 2020, with an even higher temperature. Combined with the many other extreme, and unusual, weather conditions around the world this past year, including record breaking heatwaves in Europe, the strongest hurricane in recorded history, devastating floods, etc - you would really have to have your head in the sand to dismiss it all as normal and just coincidence. Not out of the ordinary at all, no.
Moosedrool
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Sure you'll get hotter and hotter days for many years to come, especially globally. And climate change is responsible. BTW the hottest day recorded in Australia was 1960 and the bushfires then? So tell me what does this have to do with the fires? Is there a control you can measure the drought situation Australia is in without human induced climate change?
This is not a claim but it's to explain how disconnected these events can be: For all you know the humidity in Australia might have been even lower and rainfall patterns even worse if the global temperature didn't increase (no human activity).
The question is if you're so confident about these claims (which scientists with some self respect at least aren't making) why is there no prediction model? How will Angola's climate look within the next 20 years? Hot dry, Hot humid? Crazy storms? Complete desert?
I'm sorry, you believe that's what most people will actually make us of?
Trump (10 seconds later): fake news!
Seriously though, to reach the masses you're going to need more than peer-reviewed articles (though making reference to them would aid your argument) but something more persuasive. Be it Greta Thunberg, Tim Flannery, Bill Nye or Jennifer Aniston (Russell Crowe) - you need someone that the masses can actually relate to to push this message.
No, that was the hottest recorded temperature. The hottest recorded day was this summer. You don't evaluate change on the basis of a single event, but the impact overall.
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A good way to quantify what's happening is to just think about the additional energy involved globally when taking carbon flux into account... and of course, that energy is what's driving hurricanes, tornados etc. etc. it really is as simple as that.
I know there are lots of crazies out there but the thing is, there's nothing wrong with being concerned. We're in for one helluva ride in the coming decades.
This video from Thunderf00t is a pretty awesome and unique way of quantifying why changing the atmosphere even just a little bit makes such a huge difference.
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But CNN....
Oh and he was chief commissioner of the Climate Commission formed by the labour government in 2011. Are you saying predictions made by an individual who held such a important post doesn't matter and should be dismissed?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Flannery#cite_note-About-20
Tim Flannery - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
The mammologist formed his climate warrior group by soliciting millions in donations to pay for his hotel bill's, flights around the world etc. An added bonus is getting to mix with celebs around the world.
Activism is an awesome way to make a living.
I wonder what will become of him if his climate claims turn out to be incorrect?