French Elections 2017

So if I board a plane in Germany and fly to the UK on my EU passport, they can/will refuse me entry why? Just a normal citizen, no TB and no arrest warrants and not on any Terror watch list. Why would they refuse me entry on what grounds?

Hate speech, criminal record...

It has to be a proportionate measure based exclusively on an ad hoc decision per individual who must represent an existing threat, current and severe for the society's interest.

People can also be banned from certain countries on the same grounds.
 
Hate speech, criminal record...

It has to be a proportionate measure based exclusively on an ad hoc decision per individual who must represent an existing threat, current and severe for the society's interest.

People can also be banned from certain countries on the same grounds.

Yea, you are avoiding what I'm asking you by clouding it with junk. I clearly said, no criminal record, just a normal citizen. Can the UK deny me entry without a valid justifiable reason?
 
Yea, you are avoiding what I'm asking you by clouding it with junk. I clearly said, no criminal record, just a normal citizen. Can the UK deny me entry without a valid justifiable reason?

Yes, if your personal conduct represents a genuine, present and sufficiently serious threat affecting one of the fundamental interests of society. Justifications that are isolated from the particulars of the case or that rely on considerations of general prevention shall not be accepted.

Exact text of the directive 2004/38/EC:

CHAPTER VI
Restrictions on the right of entry and the right of residence on grounds
of public policy, public security or public health
Article 27
General principles
1. Subject to the provisions of this Chapter, Member States may restrict the freedom of movement
and residence of Union citizens and their family members, irrespective of nationality, on grounds of
public policy, public security or public health. These grounds shall not be invoked to serve
economic ends.
30.4.2004 EN Official Journal of the European Union L 158/
_______________________________________________________________________________
114
2. Measures taken on grounds of public policy or public security shall comply with the principle of
proportionality and shall be based exclusively on the personal conduct of the individual concerned.
Previous criminal convictions shall not in themselves constitute grounds for taking such measures.
The personal conduct of the individual concerned must represent a genuine, present and sufficiently
serious threat affecting one of the fundamental interests of society. Justifications that are isolated
from the particulars of the case or that rely on considerations of general prevention shall not be
accepted.
3. In order to ascertain whether the person concerned represents a danger for public policy or
public security, when issuing the registration certificate or, in the absence of a registration system,
not later than three months from the date of arrival of the person concerned on its territory or from
the date of reporting his/her presence within the territory, as provided for in Article 5(5), or when
issuing the residence card, the host Member State may, should it consider this essential, request the
Member State of origin and, if need be, other Member States to provide information concerning any
previous police record the person concerned may have. Such enquiries shall not be made as a
matter of routine. The Member State consulted shall give its reply within two months.
4. The Member State which issued the passport or identity card shall allow the holder of the
document who has been expelled on grounds of public policy, public security, or public health from
another Member State to re-enter its territory without any formality even if the document is no
longer valid or the nationality of the holder is in dispute.
 
Yes, if your personal conduct represents a genuine, present and sufficiently serious threat affecting one of the fundamental interests of society. Justifications that are isolated from the particulars of the case or that rely on considerations of general prevention shall not be accepted.

Exact text of the directive 2004/38/EC:

So once again you're avoiding the obvious question here...

But I figured you'll dance like a cat on a hot roof. So not even going to bother. But NO, they don't have full control of their borders as there are no VISA applications so no vetting taking place. Unless I'm on some kind of list I can come and go as I please.
 
So once again you're avoiding the obvious question here...

But I figured you'll dance like a cat on a hot roof. So not even going to bother. But NO, they don't have full control of their borders as there are no VISA applications so no vetting taking place. Unless I'm on some kind of list I can come and go as I please.

Between UK and Germany (which was the example, there is).

For airplane travel there is, since your passport is scanned.

For road and train travel, it depends of the border. Some countries have physical borders right now, some don't.

I don't need a visa for South Africa either by the way (or for 176 countries or so)... If I come for less than 3 months, they just scan my passport and stamp it.

Check the visa free access list. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_requirements_for_European_Union_citizens#Visa_free_access
 
Between UK and Germany (which was the example, there is).

For airplane travel there is, since your passport is scanned.

For road and train travel, it depends of the border. Some countries have physical borders right now, some don't.

I don't need a visa for South Africa either by the way (or for 176 countries or so)... If I come for less than 3 months, they just scan my passport and stamp it.

Yes your passport is scanned /facepalm

Point is, there is no real vetting. They can't say: sorry, you aint getting in, deal with it. Unless you are on some list already, be it criminal, terror whatever, you can come and go as you please. With the UK having sovereignty that will not happen. As they can vet on VISA applications each and every applicant. I don't see how anyone can see this as a bad thing...

Edit: SA and all the other countries are not my concern. We're talking about the UK here and their reasons for it. SA can decide tomorrow to not allow certain countries visa free travel, the UK can't.
 
Yes your passport is scanned /facepalm

Point is, there is no real vetting. They can't say: sorry, you aint getting in, deal with it. Unless you are on some list already, be it criminal, terror whatever, you can come and go as you please. With the UK having sovereignty that will not happen. As they can vet on VISA applications each and every applicant. I don't see how anyone can see this as a bad thing...

Edit: SA and all the other countries are not my concern. We're talking about the UK here and their reasons for it. SA can decide tomorrow to not allow certain countries visa free travel, the UK can't.

Because you think the UK will request visa applications from Europeans ? Even the US don't !
 
Because you think the UK will request visa applications from Europeans ? Even the US don't !

They will have the choice to do so should they want to. Big difference isn't it?
Just like the US can change that tomorrow
 
They will have the choice to do so should they want to. Big difference isn't it?
Just like the US can change that tomorrow

The EU can do the same.

Countries in the EU can still lobby the EU to do it, or leave the EU.

In the end, we are still free as well.

France can change it tomorrow and get fines from the EU, it probably won't hurt us much...
 
He has plenty of Socialist Party MPs and senators who rallied with him and support him, as well as the center. Probably 1/3 to half of the socialist party.

The socialist party will be decimated in the legislative elections in June. Their presidential candidate is struggling to even get into double figures. Even if it's 1/3, still far away from a majority of 577...
 
The socialist party will be decimated in the legislative elections in June. Their presidential candidate is struggling to even get into double figures. Even if it's 1/3, still far away from a majority of 577...

Don't forget that at the parliamentary elections, people don't vote for a party but for a person for their ward, so it's rather independent from the party but more based on the track record or efficiency of the person.

My MP in Paris was socialist but super efficient in a mostly right wing area. The MP at my countryside house is an independent for 20 years, not affiliated to any party.

The ones with Macron are starting to leave the Socialist Party anyway, the most vocals are being expelled.

Even Hollande supports Macron without saying it, and his prime minister is vocal about supporting Macron.

The heads of the Socialist Party are playing against their own party.
 
5 days before the first round.

Latest polls, the 4 candidates ahead are getting closer to each other:

Macron 22% stable
Le Pen: 22% -1%
Fillon 21% +1%
Mélenchon 18% -1%

Over the last week Macron and Le Pen lost two points benefiting Fillon and Mélenchon.
 
Another poll
Macron 24%
Le Pen 22.5%
Fillon 19.5%
Mélenchon 18.4%
 
Russia-linked fake news floods French social media

Almost one in four of the internet links shared by French users of social media in the run-up to elections were related to fake news, much of which favoured anti-EU candidates and showed traces of Russian influence, according to a new study.
The survey, by a UK-based firm, Bakamo, published on Wednesday (19 April), looked at 800 websites and almost 8 million links shared between 1 November and 4 April.

19.2 percent of links related to media that did not “adhere to journalistic standards” and that expressed “radical opinions … to craft a disruptive narrative” fell under what the study called the “reframe” category.

A further 5 percent related to “narratives [that were] often mythical, almost theological in nature” or discussed “conspiracy theories” fell under what it called the “alternative” section.

Experts say automated accounts sharing fake news ahead of French election

French voters are being deluged with false stories on social media ahead of the country's presidential election, though the onslaught of "junk news" is not as severe as that during last year's U.S. presidential campaign, according to a study by Oxford University researchers.

The study to be published Friday and another published on Wednesday add evidence to complaints by officials in France, Germany and the United States that Russia is trying to replicate its cyber-powered election meddling in American politics.

Just days before France votes in the first round of a presidential election, the study said misinformation at times has accounted for one-quarter of the political links shared on Twitter in France. It defined "junk news" as deliberately false stories and those expressing "ideologically extreme, hyper-partisan or conspiratorial" views with logical flaws and opinions passed along as facts.

"French voters are sharing better quality information than what many U.S. voters shared and almost as much quality news and information as German users share," according to the study by the Oxford Internet Institute, which will be published on Friday but was made available on Thursday to Reuters.
 
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Le Pen's track record on voting for reinforcing the European borders at the European Parliament.

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