French Elections 2017

f2wohf said:
On terrorism, you probably missed the column published by ex police and intelligence directors saying that Le Pen will not only antagonize the society but decrease the efficiency of the police and justice and system while generating more attacks.

You still don't experience on Le Pen's supposed experience.
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It's a hypothetical argument. Same line of argument used by Orbital as well. I'm not convinced. Is the current model working well? You know, the bury-your-hand-in-the-sand approach where we light candles after every terrorist attack, say we stand united against terrorism and all the other useless platitudes trotted out politicians? Do French Muslims even want to assimilate?

Her

f2wohf said:
1) she's never worked
2) she inherited everything
3) she lives off public money

That's more than enough for me.
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She's never worked? Not what Wikipedia said...

Le Pen studied law at Panthéon-Assas University, graduating with a Master of Laws in 1991 and a Master of Advanced Studies (DEA) in criminal law in 1992.[28] Registered at the Paris bar association, she worked as a lawyer for six years (1992–1998),[28] appearing regularly before the criminal chamber of the 23rd District Court of Paris which judges immediate appearances, and often acting as a public defender. She was a member of the Bar of Paris until 1998, when she joined the legal department of the National Front.
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Political experience...so an MEP for 11 years.

Local mandates

Regional councillor of Nord-Pas-de-Calais: (15 March 1998 – 28 March 2004); since 26 March 2010: member of the standing committee, leader of the FN group.
Regional councillor of Île-de-France (28 March 2004 – 21 March 2010): member of the standing committee, leader of the FN group until February 2009.
Municipal councillor of Hénin-Beaumont (23 March 2008 – 24 February 2011).

European mandates

Member of the European Parliament in the Île-de-France constituency (20 July 2004 – 13 July 2009): Non-Inscrits (20 July 2004 – 14 January 2007/14 November 2007 – 13 July 2009); Identity, Tradition, Sovereignty (15 January 2007 – 13 November 2007).

Member: Committee on Culture and Education (21 July 2004 – 14 January 2007/15 January 2007 – 30 January 2007), Committee on Civil Liberties, Justice and Home Affairs (31 January 2007 – 13 July 2009), Delegation for relations with Israel (15 September 2004 – 13 March 2007/14 March 2007 – 13 July 2009)
Substitute: Committee on Internal Market and Consumer Protection (21 July 2004 – 14 January 2007/31 January 2007 – 13 July 2009), Delegation for relations with Australia and New Zealand (15 March 2007 – 13 July 2009)[298]

Member of the European Parliament in the North-West France constituency: Non-Inscrits (14 July 2009 – 16 June 2015); ENF

Member: Committee on Employment and Social Affairs (since 16 July 2009), Delegation to the ACP-EU Joint Parliamentary Assembly (since 16 September 2009)
Substitute: Committee on International Trade (since 16 July 2009), Delegation for relations with Canada (16 September 2009 – 14 November 2010)[298][299]
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And yes, if you are a politician you are going to get paid through taxpayers money. I hardly think that is a disqualification.
 
Chris_the_Brit said:
It's a hypothetical argument. Same line of argument used by Orbital as well. I'm not convinced. Is the current model working well? You know, the bury-your-hand-in-the-sand approach where we light candles after every terrorist attack, say we stand united against terrorism and all the other useless platitudes trotted out politicians? Do French Muslims even want to assimilate?

Her



She's never worked? Not what Wikipedia said...



Political experience...so an MEP for 11 years.



And yes, if you are a politician you are going to get paid through taxpayers money. I hardly think that is a disqualification.
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Her only clients were the FN and related people as a lawyer. Even with that she never made money and finally went in politics.

MEP when it's for taking the paychecks. When it comes to voting or committee meetings, there's no more MEP... She's 667th over 750 MEP for votes...
 
The French people have spoken.

They've made their bed, now they must lie in it.

Although the Le Pen supporters are now also forced to lie in the same bed, kind of like Hilary supporters. ..

Are the Le Pen voters rioting yet?
 
Results in Paris 90% Macron.

There were fakes in the Wikileaks, planted on purpose by Macron's team.

"Meanwhile, Wikileaks jumped on the document dump, but didn’t seem to be familiar with the material in it. Responding to the Macron statement that some of the items were bogus, Wikileaks tweeted, “We have not yet discovered fakes in #MacronLeaks & we are very skeptical that the Macron campaign is faster than us.”

Ah, but there’s the rub. As reported by The Daily Beast, part of the Macron campaign strategy against Fancy Bear (also known as Pawn Storm and Apt28) was to sign on to the phishing pages and plant bogus information.
“You can flood these [phishing] addresses with multiple passwords and log-ins, true ones, false ones, so the people behind them use up a lot of time trying to figure them out,” Mounir Mahjoubi, the head of Macron’s digital team, told The Daily Beast for its earlier article on this subject."

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/05/06/did-macron-outsmart-campaign-hackers
 
Patrick_Hockstetter said:
The French people have spoken.

They've made their bed, now they must lie in it.

Although the Le Pen supporters are now also forced to lie in the same bed, kind of like Hilary supporters. ..

Are the Le Pen voters rioting yet?
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According to your last video, there's almost no internet in France. Probably no TV either.

So they're still waiting to know the results.
 
rietrot said:
Source please. You can say whoever published the emails are biased or have an agenda or even call them dirty Russians, but you need to substantiate your claims that the info was faked.
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/05/06/did-macron-outsmart-campaign-hackers

Meanwhile, Wikileaks jumped on the document dump, but didn’t seem to be familiar with the material in it. Responding to the Macron statement that some of the items were bogus, Wikileaks tweeted, “We have not yet discovered fakes in #MacronLeaks & we are very skeptical that the Macron campaign is faster than us.”

Ah, but there’s the rub. As reported by The Daily Beast, part of the Macron campaign strategy against Fancy Bear (also known as Pawn Storm and Apt28) was to sign on to the phishing pages and plant bogus information.

“You can flood these [phishing] addresses with multiple passwords and log-ins, true ones, false ones, so the people behind them use up a lot of time trying to figure them out,” Mounir Mahjoubi, the head of Macron’s digital team, told The Daily Beast for its earlier article on this subject.
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Chris_the_Brit said:
Perfectly encapsulates why populism will remain a potent force for a very long time. Zero sympathy for the 'losers' of globalisation. Zero sympathy for people who realise that many in government only are doing nothing towards combating militant Islam. Macron will do nothing and terrorism attacks are (unfortunately) likely to continue.
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You don't care about the 'losers' of globalisation either, since you'll oppose wealth redistribution policies, because they're 'socialist', right? Or have you swung left economically?

And terror attacks will continue anyway. You're delusional if you think Le Pen would have been able to stop it. Her moronic ideas would have made it worse.

Chris_the_Brit said:
No, I wouldn't be cool with that, but I don't have to support every support EVERY policy of a candidate/political party. I disagree with the DA on things. I would hate to be known to support a candidate that supports open borders because on some level he and his government will be responsible for every single terrorist attack between 2017 and 2022 in France. I wouldn't like blood on my hands like that...
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It's a pretty big thing, no?
 
Unhappy438 said:
You dont need a tinfoil hat for that, the Russians havent even been covert about it.
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I'll add this... It's fascinating that the Front National, UKIP, Trump and Geert Wilders ALL have unhackable email. Un.Hackable.
 
greg0205 said:
I'll add this... It's fascinating that the Front National, UKIP, Trump and Geert Wilders ALL have unhackable email. Un.Hackable.
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Wait, so not being hacked is proof of conspiracy? If an entire security complex burnt down minus one or two houses we blame the owners of the houses that's still standing for burning everyone else's? We can say it supports evidence that the group behind the attacks is biased, but that says nothing of the groups they act in advantage of. People keep talking about proof of the emails being hacked (DNC and Macron) by Fancy Bear, but we've seen no solid evidence - we have to take their word (has anyone else actually had a look at the emails vs reading propaganda?). Even the NSA seems only mildly committed to their stance on this - yet they are the ones who should in fact be most sure. Furthermore, Fancy Bear's links to the Kremlin has again, no proof, and it's based on claims by groups like SecureWorks (cracks me up when I hear that they're in fact the ones claiming Fancy Bear is linked to Putin). Again, the lack of evidence isn't evidence of something in itself ("Fancy Bear is Russian and we have no evidence to disprove that they aren't linked to the Kremlin" :crylaugh:), and that's what we're being sold here.

Now I'm not saying that the Russians didn't do it (innocent until proven guilty though), I'm saying that if we look at this from an objective point of view, the political games being played isn't new at all. Macron blamed the Russians for trying to skew the election in Le Pen's favour from early on, while there was nothing to suggest that there were any malicious activity against anyone. When asked to clarify his view his answer was revealing generic. And to say that RT is responsible for a lot of this is ignorant. They are no less state-funded or biased than the BBC, and should we now say Jeremy Corbyn is a Russian plant because he's been on there several times? Oh wait, that doesn't suit the "Russia is using the far-right in Europe" theory so we discard that as nothing. That's being awfully selective isn't it... If Russia is truly hacking everybody's elections, they're sure doing a crappy job. No, instead, the Russia card is becoming a means to gain political votes for whichever party is historically opposed to Russia and uses it first. Too bad the DA won't benefit out of using it here. And when the American public who voted for Trump was asked whether the Russians somehow impacted their votes, the answer was no. Populism can be blamed, but "the Russians made me do it" doesn't work for me. Do I like Trump? Hell no. But I like the truth and sense.

OrbitalDawn said:
You don't care about the 'losers' of globalisation either, since you'll oppose wealth redistribution policies, because they're 'socialist', right? Or have you swung left economically?
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Not supporting wealth redistribution = not caring about the 'losers' of globalisation? :wtf:
Is wealth redistribution the only means to the end?
 
Corbyn didn't receive 11 million € from Putin's advisors...
 
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