Frontosa resellers BEWARE!

IAmAnnoyed said:
BUT - not at all happy with CPT's response. What makes me even more furious now, is that Frontosa CPT has gone the "legal" route, and gave me a call from an Attorney - accusing me of being the cause of them having "bad" month, with loss of sales. I mean please, 1 day on a forum would never make them loose that much in sales - they really are dreaming. I did not mention anything about their products being bad, which I was also accused of saying - and can be proved by looking at my first page.

I'd like to see any company win a case against someone who rightfully complained about poor service. Sounds more like they just want to scare you [as this is probably only way to get back at you] .

In the end, not a very good tactic. It's one thing for a company to mess up and just show incompetence, another thing if their incompetence is 'covered up' by intimidation. It will make people become negative 10 times faster than if they just did nothing.
 
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Frontosa Response to "Frontosa resellers beware!"

Hi,
I would like to take this opportunity to post the reply which we intend to post on the hello peter as soon as our registration as a supplier at our own expense comes into effect. We have been attempting to respond to the hello peter comment since Friday of last week.
This client has not made a real attempt to resolve this situation, and he also neglects the second half of the msn conversation where he continues on to make threats, this post being the result, or action thereof.
Ultimately the client received statements to the effect that money was outstanding, and he has a signed contract with us indicating that we will hold orders back if payment is not received in a timely manner:
“RE: TOTALLY Shocking customer service – NGR
In response to this posting on Hello Peter we would like to make the following clear.
The client has owed us money since February of this year. He is has been made aware of this fact telephonically and in e-mail on numerous occasions.
This amount was due to our Johannesburg branch. In spite of our attempts to collect the outstanding amount, whilst still allowing the client to process orders with us, the client did not settle this account.
In view of the fact that the account had aged beyond an acceptable time frame, the instruction was given not to release stock to the client until such time that the outstanding amount had been received. The client was aware that the amount was outstanding, as well as the fact that when funds are outstanding we reserve the right not to release stock.
The outstanding amount was a direct result of an email in which he said his courier would be sent by him after he had made the payment for the order. The courier was sent, so as per the email we expected that he had done the transfer for the order and released the stock to the courier. Payment was never made.
In his conversation in which he refers to our Cape Town branch manager informing him that his account will be closed, it was a direct response to the client swearing, this took place on msn and we have the supporting logs to validate this.
It is unacceptable to us that the client would expect us to continue to trade with him when he did not pay his account, and then to swear at our staff after we stop trade in light of his debt.
Had the client paid for the stock that he had collected in February of this year, this would never have occurred. We apologise that he feels that he was not informed correctly, and that he feels that this has resulted in him spending money on a courier, however he was aware of the fact that he owed us money and he did not pay us, if he discussed payment with us the stock would have been released.

It is intolerable that the client has attempted to tarnish our company’s reputation, when in fact it is his company that failed to pay its debt that caused the situation discussed.
I note that in his complaint he makes a vague mention of the fact that his order was held up “apparently because there is always an account problem”, when in fact he has received statements repeatedly indicating that he had owed funds to us for almost two months. This fact deeply distorts the image that he painted and as such we intend to pursue this matter legally and expect that a retraction be published.”
We are in the process of following this matter legally; our lawyer has been in contact with this client.
Following the mail that the client mentions “I then get an e-mail from Frontosa CPT which ends in the following:” The client had an msn conversation with the rep in charge of his account.
02:32 PM) Fronto: but you reckon its within your means and reason to remove your comment?
(02:32 PM) Fronto: :0
(02:32 PM) Fronto:

(02:35 PM) sales: yeah
(02:35 PM) sales: know the people
(02:35 PM) sales: till take a day tho
Here he accepts that he should remove the comment from Hello Peter, and in fact claims that he will.

With regards to stock being held back, I believe that the above clearly addresses this fact.
As a sales team we removed the client from our msn. He did have access to our email addresses’ as well as the ability to phone us directly and communicate through these means. As the clients’ account was closed we felt that there was no need for a direct sales link to be open.
In the email to our Managing Director regarding the power supply the client did not have any supporting document regarding the power supply and furthermore originally asked about a vantec unit, later correcting himself to and antec unit. On this we were clear – we requested that the client provided us with the delivery note so that we could then trace what had happened to the unit

I am deeply distressed that this matter has been dragged out to this extent.
The client was aware of the outstanding amounts, and as a business your creditors should be paid in a timely manner.
His stock would never have been held back, had his account been settled correctly, on receipt of their statement it is the clients’ responsibility to follow up with the relevant accounts people to avoid orders being held up, or their accounts being placed on hold.
When the account went on hold, I regret that the sales rep in charge of the account neglected to co-ordinate with the client in this instance until it was too late, however I will stress again the amount outstanding was nearing 60days.
With regards to the power supply, I trust now that this has now been resolved.
We resent that the client has sort this manner of abuse, rather than addressing us in a reasonable manner. Due to this we have issued an interdict and again await his apology.
This is not indicative of the service that we believe in offering.
I would like to take this time to stress that we truly believe in assisting our clients as far as possible, this is why we continued to supply this client in spite of the account discrepancies.
The power supply as a separate issue is deeply distressing.
Generally when stock is sent to us under warranty we have a book in process and the client is provided with a tracking number. If any of our clients’ book in stock without receiving this number please contact the head of that department urgently – this will prevent these situations from occurring.
I trust that this has answered these complaints as transparently as possible. We urge the client to please address any further issues with the relevant departments within Frontosa.
 
To Frontosa: Why does it take so long for the invoices to be printed if you order something, once I had to wait 40 minutes (at the JHB one), very boring, especially since Riaan is gone and now I cant chat to anyone while I wait...
 
Invoice Printing

Hi,
I apologize that the process was delayed.

Once an order is processed by sales a picking slip prints in the stores.
Sales order are then picked and confirmed (serial number allocated to the sales order) As soon as the product is confirmed an invoice is automatically generated.

This means that the delay experienced would have been in the picking of the product. We have over 4000 product codes, this does sometimes make it difficult to pick a specific item.

I am not entirely sure as to the specific incident, but I apologize that the customer experienced this delay.

If the member would like to contact me directly I will investigate this further.
 
Well I guess communications is key. If both parties allowed each other to get together and sit down to sort the problem out then none of this would've happened. The customer always thinks he's right and sometimes the vendor should give in and try as much as possible to help out. Not replying to customer emails is frustrating.
 
Well I guess communications is key. If both parties allowed each other to get together and sit down to sort the problem out then none of this would've happened.
Well yes ..and I'm talking not only of the OP's problem, but mine too.

The customer always thinks he's right and sometimes the vendor should give in and try as much as possible to help out. Not replying to customer emails is frustrating.
So, you took a double-dose of smartypants pills today, did you? :cool:
 
Well well....

I was happy to leave it as this, but there are a few problems with his response!!!!

I would have removed the comment, as discussed - providing an apology was given and this was resolved. This was "conveniently" left out! I have sent the MD a few e-mails a) warning him that I would make it public, and giving him some time to come to a resolution. This was ignored for more than a week nd the only communication from Frontosa CPT was from a attorney AFTER I had posted this comment. They were given plenty of time to contact me to resolve it after I had sent them numerous mails WARNING them I would take it further.

AS I HAVE MADE VERY VERY CLEAR to Frontosa, the FIRST TIME I HAD HEARD of the fact that the goods were shipped and the amount was outstanding was with the FRONTOSA MANAGER on that Monday. The complaint is that they DID NOT COMMUNICATE that the funds were outstanding ON THAT FRIDAY. Instead he send the couriers away - no mention was made AT ALL WHEN I PLACED THE ORDER THAT FRIDAY THAT THERE WERE PROBLEMS, and you DID NOT LET ME KNOW THAT YOU SENT MY COURIERS AWAY. That is the problem....you have my details - please explain WHY I WAS NOT INFORMED???????????????????????????

On Monday, when the goods are scheduled to arrive - I phone the couriers who tell me they were sent away. Ask Frontosa what happened (and you can see from the MSN in the original post) only then to be told what happened. The POINT OF THE MATTER IS WHY WAS I NOT TOLD ON FRIDAY WHEN YOU SENT THEM AWAY????? TOTAL LACK of COMMUNICATION and BAD SERVICE. That is the complaint!

JHB has admitted that they have my wrong details, and I have proof that I sent them updated details in January. Asked accounts to please give me proof that they send statements, they cannot. That is because I HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY STATEMENTS!

Fact of the matter, fair enough - JHB was outstanding. I DID say I would ship once payment was made - admitted. But I DID ask them NOT TO SHIP THE ORDER AND CANCEL IT. I have copies of these mails. I was not aware that it was later shipped (error on their part as I had given them NO shipping details, authorization or payment, or even sent the courier for that matter), but paid them first thing on that Monday when I was made aware. That is not the problem here, the problem is that you DID NOT LET ME KNOW on that FRIDAY, and decided to rather wait for me to complain, as per usual when things dont leave. NO COMMUNICATION! And then when I complain, granded, I did swear - you close our account. I did apologize for swearing, but still I was ignored!

Before I posted this numerous e-mails were sent warning you that this needs to be resolved, AND NOT ONE WAS REPLIED TO??? You call that not an attempt, how many do you want before it is called an "attempt"????????

I did swear, and it was posted on the first post here - was not hidden and I did display it for all to see. There was NOT ONE OTHER swearword used, if your logs have this I would love to see them! (for the record I did need to change the original word to "fook" as per forum regulations)!

Anyways, fact of the matter is that there was NOTHING misleading about the post. My PSU has been replaced, and as per my agreement in my mail to Victor - I am willing to leave the entire situation here....also as per my mail I did also ensure him that I would post that it had been resolved, and I kept my word. Pity though that total lack of communication could have prevented this entire situation. I gave them plenty of warning, and it took something like this to make them take note....
 
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As far has I am concerned - I have had my say, Frontosa have also responsed. They are welcome to respond again, but it seems as we are running in total circles now! The couriers have collected the PSU, and as agreed I will leave it at that! If Frontosa is happy perhaps this thread can be locked (mod?), after they post a final response. (if they wish)
 
Communication!!!!!!!!

IamAnnoyed: Just some advice, you should maybe also keep track of your accounts without waiting for other parties to remind you. ;)
 
Hi,
I apologize that the process was delayed.

Once an order is processed by sales a picking slip prints in the stores.
Sales order are then picked and confirmed (serial number allocated to the sales order) As soon as the product is confirmed an invoice is automatically generated.

This means that the delay experienced would have been in the picking of the product. We have over 4000 product codes, this does sometimes make it difficult to pick a specific item.

I am not entirely sure as to the specific incident, but I apologize that the customer experienced this delay.

If the member would like to contact me directly I will investigate this further.
Arguing with a customer is pointless as any good salesman will tell you. You stuffed up. I mean 40 minutes to print something for a customer is just pathetic. Just be humble and apologise and you may still have an old customer and win some new ones.
As it stands, you compnay name is now burned into my memory as a problem which I will avoid.:mad:
 
Just to add my two cents here.

Graeme Hank is one of the best sales consultants in cape town in my honest opinion, he is an asset to Frontosa because he goes out of his way daily to help my clients out.

In our country their may be a service problem, but there is also a customer problem. If you buy something there and then sell it on to your clients and you keep the money, then basically its theft. You must pay your own way in our beloved country, thats what makes the economy work.

Its pointless dissing Frontoza when there was a reason for the whole problem in the first place. You are the problem. Pay what you owe. Its really that simple.
 
Frontosa CPT's sales people are the best. They all go out of their way to help all their clients. I agree with daysleeper that the problem might be with you. You said any good salesman will tell them something about arguing with clients. Well I’m a Great Sales Woman and I sometimes argue with clients. Yes it is not the right way of dealing with clients, but we ALL get our bad days and our moods so do you.
 
lol nothing against mdc, but it is the wierdest thing with these types of threads there is always a first time poster with a strong view.

Welcome mdc ;)
 
well PearlJam I have been a client form Frontosa for two years now and never got bad service from them. So I guess I am entitled to give my opinion.
Some people make issues out of nothing, the smallest thing can trigger a bad mood and that is what happened, so I just wish that every one will back off and give Frontosa a break, they are the best supplier I ever had. In business you win some and lose some. That is why I use couriers, the quick stress fee way to get your stock, let them do the waiting.

Thank you for the welcoming, most appreciated
 
While I understand Frontosa's view point of that the account was outstanding, one would think that with a long standing customer they would take the effort to inform the customer that there is still an amount owing of over 2 months. As a result they will not be able to ship this order.
 
I would like to pledge my support for Frontosa in CPT.

I have been using practically all the supplier based in CPT over the past 5 years. I have been using Frontosa as my primary supplier for about 1.5-2 years now. Frontosa's service and products are by far the best.

On numerous occasion they have gone out of their way to help me out. Even though I deal in small orders. On the rare occasion that a deadline was missed, it was due to no fault of their own.

Service like theirs should be standard! All they ask is that you treat their staff with respect and that you settle your account within the time agreed! That is what good business is about!

Thank you Frances (sales), thank you Michael (technical), thank you Eddie (manager)!

You make the life of this VAR a little bit easier!.
 
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