Gautrain to open before SWC

blunomore said:
1. Prices will remain the same after the SWC. According to the Gautrain spokesperson, prices are not adjusted for the SWC.

2. It does seem steep, but if you consider that you save traveling time and you can do work (read, work on your computer, etc etc) whilst traveling, it makes sense to pay the extra amount.
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Only if you can afford it, so the Gautrain is not for the public at large just for business suits. As usual the ANC lied.
 
JohnGalt said:
What people fail to appreciate is that we have a government voted in on a communist mandate, yet we remain 16 years later a vibrant capatalistic economy and society with neo free market practices.
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1. It is an alliance between 3 groups, of which the SACP is only one.

2. SA is not a capitalist country; it is a hybrid between capitalist and socialist.

South African's are becoming annoyingly lame
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You're welcome to leave ;)
 
Wow, R100 is pretty steep! I sometimes take the train to work, 35KM's away. It it AU$4.60 one way - and the "normal" train does it in 28 mins (its an express one missing most stations on the way there). So - +-R30 for a 35KM trip sounds good. R100 for a 15KM trip sounds like a COMPLETE rip-off !
But then again, I dont know what the highways look like there anymore. Me, personally, will pay this with a smile if it means I don't need to sit in traffic an hour in a car doing the 15 km's.
 
Ronjay said:
Only if you can afford it, so the Gautrain is not for the public at large just for business suits. As usual the ANC lied.
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Could you provide a link to the ANC saying the Gautrain is for the proverbial 'man on the street'?

Also, if it succeeds, the pricing structure may be changed ... As for now, at least the average person will have the BRT :)
 
Ronjay said:
Only if you can afford it, so the Gautrain is not for the public at large just for business suits. As usual the ANC lied.
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its Transport that the public could use... but its NOT public transport. The cost of the ticket is derived from the Dollar I can guess and converted to Rands.. as most people arriving at the airports will convert mentally to their home currency. R100 = £8 .. an £8 is a day-rider ticket on the underground. This Gautrain has NOTHING to do with the local populous - its a method to fleece tourists and foreign business-men.
 
Ricard said:
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its Transport that the public could use... but its NOT public transport. The cost of the ticket is derived from the Dollar I can guess and converted to Rands.. as most people arriving at the airports will convert mentally to their home currency. R100 = £8 .. an £8 is a day-rider ticket on the underground. This Gautrain has NOTHING to do with the local populous - its a method to fleece tourists and foreign business-men.
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:wtf:

Lots of local people will use it. Those who cannot afford it, will stick to their cars, or lift clubs or the BRT or taxis.

In our case, we could even claim it from our clients as a traveling expense.
 
Ricard said:
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its Transport that the public could use... but its NOT public transport. The cost of the ticket is derived from the Dollar I can guess and converted to Rands.. as most people arriving at the airports will convert mentally to their home currency. R100 = £8 .. an £8 is a day-rider ticket on the underground. This Gautrain has NOTHING to do with the local populous - its a method to fleece tourists and foreign business-men.
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I stand corrected but isn't the Gautrain a privately owned concern ? And if so and they can fill seats at R100 a pop, can someone explain the problem ? Are you all commies ?
 
blunomore said:
Could you provide a link to the ANC saying the Gautrain is for the proverbial 'man on the street'?

Also, if it succeeds, the pricing structure may be changed ... As for now, at least the average person will have the BRT :)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gautrain
Gautrain is an 80-kilometre mass rapid transit railway system under construction in Gauteng Province, South Africa, which will link Johannesburg, Pretoria, and OR Tambo International Airport. It is hoped that this railway will relieve the traffic congestion in the Johannesburg – Pretoria traffic corridor and offer commuters a viable alternative to road transport, as Johannesburg has limited public transport infrastructure.
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http://www.southafrica.info/business/economy/infrastructure/gautrain.htm
Besides easing traffic congestion and related air pollution in Gauteng province - South Africa's economic heartland - the Gautrain will connect with buses and taxis to help create a more efficient public transport system and thus stimulate economic growth in the country.

"This is not about elite public transport," Transport Minister Jeff Radebe said at the sod-turning ceremony in Johannesburg in September. "[It] is about creating a mass transit system that caters for workers and business people, civil servants and scholars, shoppers and leisure seekers to get them where they want to be - safely, securely and affordably."
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http://www.railway-technology.com/projects/gautrain/
Rail transport in the Johannesburg area of South Africa will enter a new era in 2011 with the opening of the Gautrain Rapid Rail Link. The project will serve the Gauteng area with a rapid transport service, providing a safe, efficient and reliable service to both commuters and airport travellers.

The Gautrain project has been the subject of extensive planning, following feasibility studies in the late 1990s to produce the first plans for a north-south and east-west rail route serving the Gauteng Province. As with many other rapid transit projects, Gautrain is aimed at reducing road congestion and aiding economic development.
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want more?
 
JohnGalt said:
I stand corrected but isn't the Gautrain a privately owned concern ? And if so and they can fill seats at R100 a pop, can someone explain the problem ? Are you all commies ?
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LOL .. supply and demand... 1 supplier, lots of demand. If there were two different operators on the Gautrain lines offering different services, then we can talk about a fair market.. so far its exclusive.
 
Ricard said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gautrain


http://www.southafrica.info/business/economy/infrastructure/gautrain.htm


http://www.railway-technology.com/projects/gautrain/


want more?
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This time link to us the part about the Gautrain's sole purpose being philanthropy.

Did you all expect their to be rainbows and flowers and peace signs painted on the train as it chugs on venting out pure ganja fumes from it's engine ? Can you hear it now ? the passengers singing...

"Come oooon people now ! smile on your brother , everybody get together and love one another riiight now ! "

Or perhaps they're singing "Peace train."
 
JohnGalt said:
This time link to us the part about the Gautrain's sole purpose being philanthropy.

Did you all expect their to be rainbows and flowers and peace signs painted on the train as it chugs on venting out pure ganja fumes from it's engine ? Can you hear it now ? the passengers singing...

"Come oooon people now ! smile on your brother , everybody get together and love one another riiight now ! "

Or perhaps they're singing "Peace train."
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You asked, I linked. If you dont like the posts then phone lifeline - maybe they care.
 
JohnGalt said:
This time link to us the part about the Gautrain's sole purpose being philanthropy.

Did you all expect their to be rainbows and flowers and peace signs painted on the train as it chugs on venting out pure ganja fumes from it's engine ? Can you hear it now ? the passengers singing...

"Come oooon people now ! smile on your brother , everybody get together and love one another riiight now ! "

Or perhaps they're singing "Peace train."
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Who said anything about philanthropy? But no one wants to be robbed. The links are there to show ANC saying the Gautrain is for public transport. Please tell me how the general public can afford this. And don't pull a Lancelot za move by saying I'm just winging. As stated, I would like to use the Gautrain as transport to Santon but I can't afford it. I am not the only one. So please show me out of the average salary of a SA'n how it is a viable alternative to other forms of transport.
 
Ronjay said:
Who said anything about philanthropy? But no one wants to be robbed. The links are there to show ANC saying the Gautrain is for public transport. Please tell me how the general public can afford this. And don't pull a Lancelot za move by saying I'm just winging. As stated, I would like to use the Gautrain as transport to Santon but I can't afford it. I am not the only one. So please show me out of the average salary of a SA'n how it is a viable alternative to other forms of transport.
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Maybe government just lied ? ;)
 
Ronjay said:
Who said anything about philanthropy? But no one wants to be robbed. The links are there to show ANC saying the Gautrain is for public transport. Please tell me how the general public can afford this. And don't pull a Lancelot za move by saying I'm just winging. As stated, I would like to use the Gautrain as transport to Santon but I can't afford it. I am not the only one. So please show me out of the average salary of a SA'n how it is a viable alternative to other forms of transport.
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Going to do Joburg central from Pretoria central and back is about 110km. Thats 2200km in a standard 20 work day month for a commuter. Lets say cars average at using 9l/100km, that means 198l a month. So the average for a person driving currently to JHB CBD and back is around R1590pm if the petrol price is R8.

Now that is just the petrol and excludes the service ( approx R500 to R2000) cost for every 10 000km to 15000km (13800km used in 6 months driving if using my average or 26400km a year) and the proposed 50c/km toll road fee with would be around R60 a day (1200pm) assuming 60km of the road is tolled.

So the possible expenditure is around R2800pm (at a R8 petrol price, which will likely just go up more from now) just to drive to JHB central from PTA central and back every work day on a month. How does that compare to say a monthly R800 gautrain ticket?
 
Ronjay said:
Who said anything about philanthropy? But no one wants to be robbed. The links are there to show ANC saying the Gautrain is for public transport. Please tell me how the general public can afford this. And don't pull a Lancelot za move by saying I'm just winging. As stated, I would like to use the Gautrain as transport to Santon but I can't afford it. I am not the only one. So please show me out of the average salary of a SA'n how it is a viable alternative to other forms of transport.
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If there is demand for tickets at the prices they are suggesting then to suggest they charge less is expecting them to be in the business of philanthropy and charity. If there is no demand they will quickly lower their prices. Welcome to the real world of capitalism.
 
On a related matter it's high time there was cheap and affordable efficient public transport in this country. Although I'll never suffer the indignity of waiting for a bus, I occasionally take a taxi when I go out and don't want any pressure to stay sober but just for a 10km trip the cost is R300 plus. Madness ! I suppose it's a thing that feeds its self. Because taxi's are so expensive hardly anyone uses them. So they charge more to make it a viable service. If tomorrow everyone said "Screw it, I'm taking a taxi" for whatever reason , you would see the taxi industry mushroom with countless companies competing which would drive the price down making it very affordable. Trains between cities should also be a quick, comfortable and viable option although I admit they are working on this.
 
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