Is this the european or the SA (less 20hp) version? Any links to this? A second drop in 0-100 with just software is pretty damn amazing.
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Is this the european or the SA (less 20hp) version? Any links to this? A second drop in 0-100 with just software is pretty damn amazing.
Why do the motorheads always compare modified cars vs stock? Saying a ECU tuned Golf R is faster than a 135 is pointless. Especially since tuning a 135/235 will net you even more power than the VW engine does.
ECU flash/tune for the BMW will get you at least 70HP extra.
End of the day it's pointless. If you have the money to spend on a car like this, then drive them all and them pick the one that moves you the most, that puts the biggest smile on your face. My previous car only had 112kw, but with the mods done to it, it could out-corner just about anything, making it ridiculous fun to take thru some twisties.
Go for the smile.
ECU flash/tune for the BMW will get you at least 70HP extra.
End of the day it's pointless. If you have the money to spend on a car like this, then drive them all and them pick the one that moves you the most, that puts the biggest smile on your face. My previous car only had 112kw, but with the mods done to it, it could out-corner just about anything, making it ridiculous fun to take thru some twisties.
Go for the smile.
FiestaST
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Yeah go for the smile...the one that gives you the biggest boner
How are you people affording these outrageously priced cars??
R558,000??? holy christ.....
Clearly I am in the wrong career
You raise an important point. My knowledge about cars and performance is next to negligible but I've done a metric crapton of long distance driving, mostly in 4x4s. Yet I still find threads like these highly interesting.
It would be interesting to hear what cars everyone has (or had) vs what careers they're in.
A mate of mine with just matric has owned the following: A3 sportback, S3, TT, RS5, A4. Currently with the RS5 and the A4 in the garage. So just shows that if you're really into cars you can make it happen.
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pinball wizard
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We need to introduce your friend to Rouxenator. That'll be fun.
FiestaST
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+1 & find out what this Matric buddy does for a living
I think the 1/4 would be pretty close depending on the driver in the bmw and road conditions. The R has a better and more consistent chance i think overall. 1km the bmw would pull ahead .
Something I find amazingly satisfying, that people dont mention often is in gear acceleration.
sure 0 - 100 times are great, but the in gear acceleration is something really important to me, as is the feeling of that acceleration.
For me, the m135 trumps the R in this. the extra torque gives an incredible feeling when you decide you want to open up.
I find the R really good, pushing the pedal down in 3rd or 4th isnt nearly as satisfying as the bmw.
Exactly. the comparisons here are stock vs stock. Bringing up how a car can be tuned to be faster than another is pointless, unless this is about which cars are better or easier to mod, mod vs price vs output etc.
adamr
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@syntax... No doubt in gear the bmws will be quicker. 1/4 will see the golf in front. The 4wd system and launch will ensure flawless take offs in pretty much any conditon. The Bmw driver on the m135/m235 even with an auto setup will need to know his car and the road conditions (like you pointed out this also comes into play) . So at worst case a few cars on the quarter because the Bmw is still figuring out how to put its power down and at best case very close (but still with the golf in front) ... Totally agree with you
Edit: in gear at 130kph I was able to slowly start edging away from a 135i Bmw in the golf (not the m135i, this a 2008 135i)
But the performance difference between the s54 and s55 mills is noticeable. The numbers don't always tell the whole story with the m235i and m135i being superior to the older twin turbo mills
Edit: in gear at 130kph I was able to slowly start edging away from a 135i Bmw in the golf (not the m135i, this a 2008 135i)
But the performance difference between the s54 and s55 mills is noticeable. The numbers don't always tell the whole story with the m235i and m135i being superior to the older twin turbo mills
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hehe - I was yanking your chain, and you responded as I thought you would.
Where did I say I thought the M235i was "superior" to the 1M?
That was my point, clever child - I was talking about stock vs stock.
Where was the misinformation? We were talking about stuff; Rusty came in and got us going on a tangent.
By the way - the 1M you had, it was a manual or automatic?
Did you test drive the M235i auto yourself?
Did you get that were mainly arguing about the auto box making a difference in normal driving conditions as opposed to your tunnel vision drag-racing obsession?
So maybe I am rather more informed than you when it comes to "normal" folks who spend 95% of their time in the real world rather than jerking off to performace uber alles.
PS - is it my imagination, or did the OP disappear after I had a paranoid moment and questioned whether he was a salesman...?
adamr
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True you didn't but somehow it felt implied.hehe - I was yanking your chain, and you responded as I thought you would.
Where did I say I thought the M235i was "superior" to the 1M?
Your car is awesome no doubt. More fun than the golf. And I've said this plenty times before on other forums. Thing is when I had a Bmw 1M at the time as my weekend toy and a polo gti as my everyday car. I replaced the polo gti with the golf r and ordered a Bmw m4 to replace the 1M (which I cancelled and bought another house instead... Also didn't think 1.2m was worth it for the m4 and I still don't think it's worth it)... If I had budget constraints I would have bought a m235i as a weekend car and a polo as an everyday car...
Perfect example right now is a cousin of mines bought a mac 650s spider and he also has a s65 merc amg. Guess what his everyday car is.... A golf 7R. Ok maybe because I also praised the car it might have had some impact of his decision. But it honestly is just such a good car.
The golf is that functional "checking all the tick boxes" type of car. It's not special but is functionally perfect. And for me a special car is that car that really plays on ones emotions and senses and they generally are far from perfect. A perfect example of this is a Porsche gt3 rs. Its too loud, you can't go over a ordinary speed hump. Its gear changes are like go though concrete. It smokes up on start up... Its not the fastest out there. But God is it the finest car I've experienced... Don't know if this makes much sense
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True you didn't but somehow it felt implied.
Your car is awesome no doubt. More fun than the golf. And I've said this plenty times before on other forums. Thing is when I had a Bmw 1M at the time as my weekend toy and a polo gti as my everyday car. I replaced the polo gti with the golf r and ordered a Bmw m4 to replace the 1M (which I cancelled and bought another house instead... Also didn't think 1.2m was worth it for the m4 and I still don't think this worth it)... If I had budget constraints I would have bought a m235i as a weekend car and a polo as an everyday car...
Perfect example right now is a cousin of mines bought a mac 650s spider and he also has a s65 merc amg. Guess what his everyday car is.... A golf 7R. Ok maybe because I also praised the car it might have had some impact of his decision. But it honestly is just such a good car.
The golf is that functional "checking all the tick boxes" type of car. It's not special but is functionally perfect. And for me a special car is that car that really plays on ones emotions and senses and they generally are far from perfect. A perfect example of this is a Porsche gt3 rs. Its too loud, you can't go over a ordinary speed hump. Its gear changes are like go though concrete. It smokes up on start up... Its not the fastest out there. But God is it the finest car I've experienced... Don't know if this makes much sense
That does make sense - you are talking about a visceral experience which people who love cars will get, and well, others wont.
And I understand you had the 1M as the "toy" and then got a golf R. But my point is that I also used the same consideration in choosing the M235i - as in functional and ticking boxes. I don't have a family, so 4 doors is not a requirement.
Therefore, I have that awesome 6 cyl engine plus a silky smooth gearbox that gives me the best of both worlds. Personal preference for sure, but I repeat that I actually drove the R and S3 and A45 AMG before choosing the M235i. Did you do the same before choosing the Golf R?
adamr
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Misinformation that your m235i is quicker with a launch... Which it is not. The zf boxes on the Bmw are good... Just don't understand what you getting at regarding the gearbox statement you made !? Just makes no sense sir!
Are you yanking my chain asking if the 1M was manual or automatic?
... Im assuming not. To a car nut you have just lost all credibility in their eyes. Its shocking. You just digging yourself deeper here... And you own the brand ... I drove an m135i auto. I owned a 135i when it debuted in 2008. Nice car but felt like a fast 125i to me. If someone did a blind fold test at 120kph I wouldn't know the difference. An m car you'd know the difference
Yours might have a 6 cy. But I still prefer mine, at least for now. I do prefer having four doors though, I don't have a family either, but for carting things around and chucking friends in the back, it has an advantage. Found two doors quite a schlepp.
In the bigger picture, it doesn't really matter, I like driving, but I wouldn't consider myself as a petrol head, not even close. All I know is that there is in engine in the front, four wheels, it's quick and is comfortable. Having a nice car is awesome, but at the end of the day, it's still just a car.
In the bigger picture, it doesn't really matter, I like driving, but I wouldn't consider myself as a petrol head, not even close. All I know is that there is in engine in the front, four wheels, it's quick and is comfortable. Having a nice car is awesome, but at the end of the day, it's still just a car.
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Misinformation that your m235i is quicker with a launch... Which it is not. The zf boxes on the Bmw are good... Just don't understand what you getting at regarding the gearbox statement you made !? Just makes no sense sir!
Are you yanking my chain asking if the 1M was manual or automatic?... Im assuming not. To a car nut you have just lost all credibility in their eyes. Its shocking. You just digging yourself deeper here... And you own the brand ...
I drove an m135i auto. I owned a 135i when it debuted in 2008. Nice car but felt like a fast 125i to me. If someone did a blind fold test at 120kph I wouldn't know the difference. An m car you'd know the difference
Umm, no, I was asking the question seeing that what I had read in local mags was that the auto BM was quicker than the auto Golf R. How is that misinformation?
And yes, again, I was taking the piss with you, seeing as the whole frikkin discussion was about auto vs auto, and you came in with your logic that "I had a 1M, imo the 1M is superior to M235i, I chose the Golf R after the 1M therefore the R is better than the 235i"...
As for credibility, you can take your shock and jump-start your golf with it
Mike Hoxbig
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Four doors, how exciting! Just what every driving enthusiast looks for in a car...
Fsck the friends man, we're at an age where you don't buy a car to cart people around. They must make a plan for transport or cram in the back if they're desperate...
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