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Help! Audi S3 or VW Golf R?
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PostmanPot
Honorary Master
OK, I assume you're done now?
adamr, over to you.
PostmanPot
Honorary Master
You made mention of 4wd not being all grand and now you say 4wd had the advantage. In the real world road conditions are never "ideal". The road is not even, there is dirt and grime on the road. Winter mornings make the road more slippery. And yes while the first video shows quite a bit of sand on the road and i agree it favours the R/S3 ... but in the real world non-ideal roads will favour the R and that is my point, The R is quicker on a launch (meaning off a line using launch control ... dont think you know this). On a longer piece of road the BMWs are faster. Ive said this.
Second video you complain about bad driver and Audi getting better times than claimed. Firstly they both autos, launch control is a simple thing to do. Floor the accelerator and when the lights go green, let go the brake pedal ... i know wives that can do this (in fact a friend's wife did this at a drag race with an M3 SMG ... and she knows **** when it comes to driving) and then so what if the audi performs better than claimed times (thats a good thing). That does not mean the car is modified or Audi is lying what is under the hood ... regardless, wheres your proof proving otherwise that an M235i is quicker on a launch?
Then you goes on about parts.
http://rennlist.com/forums/porsche-cayenne-forum/667806-vw-parts-interchangeabilty.html
Go read and school yourself ... above is a porsche only forum and many of the folks on there are high knowledgable and technical about the cars. Most of them are technicians, or into racing. Some well known and trusted folks on there.
and here is random google image search
http://img.diytrade.com/smimg/1572580/26651867-770364-0/nn/ea4d.jpg
And i dont know how you felt insulted calling your m235i not a proper m car. If it was theyd call it an M2. BMW even said it aint a proper M car. Noone was being nasty just stating a fact to you (that when comparing to a proper M car like the 1M the Golf R will outlaunch the 1M) ... you certainly have your car as a third testicle in your ball sack. Anything said about your car and you get hurt.
http://jalopnik.com/heres-why-the-bmw-m235i-isnt-a-real-m-car-1520587199
so the list on his ignorance grows
1. you doesnt know a 1M (well now he has been schooled)
2. you think the 1M comes in auto (well now he knows it doesnt)
3. you think a Golf R and S3 are different (you need to show how they different apart from badges and aestheitcs ... proved the VAG brand shares parts)
4. you think the M135i and M235i are different (you were sent technical specs that show the engine and gear ratios etc as being the same ... again how is it different, pray tell?)
5. you think its absurd to think porsche vw and audi share parts
6. you mentioning an audi r8 v10 is a detuned LP560 is absurd ... having owned the Audi R8 V10 and being approached by audi to do the software for R15k to bring it up to LP560 performance. Also approached by Race1 to do the same.
Now ... you have all this wonderful knowledge. please dont get personal ...
Second video you complain about bad driver and Audi getting better times than claimed. Firstly they both autos, launch control is a simple thing to do. Floor the accelerator and when the lights go green, let go the brake pedal ... i know wives that can do this (in fact a friend's wife did this at a drag race with an M3 SMG ... and she knows **** when it comes to driving) and then so what if the audi performs better than claimed times (thats a good thing). That does not mean the car is modified or Audi is lying what is under the hood ... regardless, wheres your proof proving otherwise that an M235i is quicker on a launch?
Then you goes on about parts.
http://rennlist.com/forums/porsche-cayenne-forum/667806-vw-parts-interchangeabilty.html
Go read and school yourself ... above is a porsche only forum and many of the folks on there are high knowledgable and technical about the cars. Most of them are technicians, or into racing. Some well known and trusted folks on there.
and here is random google image search
http://img.diytrade.com/smimg/1572580/26651867-770364-0/nn/ea4d.jpg
And i dont know how you felt insulted calling your m235i not a proper m car. If it was theyd call it an M2. BMW even said it aint a proper M car. Noone was being nasty just stating a fact to you (that when comparing to a proper M car like the 1M the Golf R will outlaunch the 1M) ... you certainly have your car as a third testicle in your ball sack. Anything said about your car and you get hurt.
http://jalopnik.com/heres-why-the-bmw-m235i-isnt-a-real-m-car-1520587199
so the list on his ignorance grows
1. you doesnt know a 1M (well now he has been schooled)
2. you think the 1M comes in auto (well now he knows it doesnt)
3. you think a Golf R and S3 are different (you need to show how they different apart from badges and aestheitcs ... proved the VAG brand shares parts)
4. you think the M135i and M235i are different (you were sent technical specs that show the engine and gear ratios etc as being the same ... again how is it different, pray tell?)
5. you think its absurd to think porsche vw and audi share parts
6. you mentioning an audi r8 v10 is a detuned LP560 is absurd ... having owned the Audi R8 V10 and being approached by audi to do the software for R15k to bring it up to LP560 performance. Also approached by Race1 to do the same.
Now ... you have all this wonderful knowledge. please dont get personal ...
Shame man - answering on his behalf?
Before I bother, is this your reply, or are you cutting and pasting and posting on adamr's behalf?
Incorrect. Rusty made the assertion that the drivetrain in the Golf and Audi was superior. I said it was subjective. He then said wrong. I then said funny how most motoring journalists prefer rear wheel drive.
Hey, the journo's themselves said it; why are you debating it?
You missing the point. I just find it odd that VAG products often exceed their manufacturers specs in SA. Based on VW international also being shown to be a bunch of cheats, I really don't think it's much of a stretch to assume the worst here either
Umm, I was sort of laughing at the fact that just because you have some of the same parts does not mean the cars are identical...
See, again the same mistake is made - I never once said it was an M car, not do I take umbrage at the fact that this is stated. I did read a large number of reviews before I bought this car, and almost every single one mentioned the fact that this was not a "proper" M car. Why do you keep on making things up? You chaps keep on confusing your butthurt feelings when I take the mickey out of you with how you think I am feeling
Never claimed to know the 1M; never thought it came in auto (I did double check though); again, was being somewhat mocking in that he was bringing the 1m into a debate about auto versions of the cars in question...what's so difficult to understand?
They are different. Why else would the OP have a thread about which one to go for? Why else would adamR recommend the golf R? But answer this question - are you saying the DSG and Steptronic are exactly the same then?
I do. They had different power outputs at a stage, plus different body shells, The might be very similar, but they are not identical. Do they weigh the same?
Answered above.
Again, incorrect. Where did I ever say this?
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If you stop getting your knickers in a knot, I will be all hugs 'n kisses with you
Shame man - answering on his behalf?
Before I bother, is this your reply, or are you cutting and pasting and posting on adamr's behalf?
At ppot - answer the question - did you post this on adamr's behalf?
kripstoe
Expert Member
Are you being serious? :wtf:
In what respect? adamr "promised" he would not post again in this thread, but as per below, I don't think postmanpot ever owned an Audi R8?
PostmanPot
Honorary Master
For that kind of money I'd take a Porsche.
Ah, so you admit you just relayed a message from adamr?
PostmanPot
Honorary Master
Bump.
Just pm'd you dude.
Edit - although I see why people turn off their on-line indicator....
PostmanPot
Honorary Master
Friday bump.
Rouxenator
Dank meme lord
So what's the deal here? Are we going for a Porsche Boxster instead of the S3 or Golfie?
Rouxenator
Dank meme lord
Boxster is a very nice car, still a VAG, but a nice one and the one one of the bunch I have driven.
Friday bump.
Come on PP, I'm bored. Why don't you confess your sins so we can mock adamr a little bit!
adamr
Executive Member
@splinter ... want to clear this up,
Postmanpot wanted me to post, so i told him i wont in a PM. Because the discussion wont go anywhere. I listed responses to him, and told him, even if i reply with those responses that youd have a response back. He asked if he could post, and i told him i would not bother. But if he does post, he is posting as himself. but not as me, and he shouldnt be quoting me.
The problem Splinter is your counter arguments are fundamentally flawed because you back track on statements you made. This is just one example of a post, and your "logic"...
"But most enjoyably, please provide a little bit of evidence as to this exquisite statement:
"Pull parts out of an Audi, VW and you will see many of those parts are stamped with VW, Audi and Porsche logos. Ive seen this on the Audi ive had, on the Porsches and on the VW’s."
I beg you."
The proof to my exquisite statement (by use of that word implies i somehow fabricated it) was shown and then you say
"Umm, I was sort of laughing at the fact that just because you have some of the same parts does not mean the cars are identical..."
So first you dont believe they have the same parts and ask for proof for my exquisite statement which you begged for and now by inference you admit to them having the same parts .... BUT !? WTF ... read the posts typed by your own hand. You back track on the statements made. That is now what you call "exquisite"
Practice some logic and common sense, i mentioned the mechanicals of certain VAG models being the same. Of course one car might have four doors the other two (a 2 year old can see this and its a stupid counter argument). And there is not 100's of kilos difference between the cars that performance will be so heavily affected. So you telling me the weight of your M235i is very different to an M135i (it a 25kg difference (TARE KG) ... with the M235i being heavier)
The point here now is not to show how ignorant you are (yet again) with cars. But to highlight why arguing with you is fruitless. You honestly have been fighting me but you have not been bringing up any evidence (besides whats in your head) of the contrary to any statement ive made
And btw i think you meant s-tronic, not steptronic right? (as your post was talking Golf and Audi, steptronic is BMWs lingo for their auto box).
So one request ... and i beg pretty please.
There has been lots said. The argument of many other points have now come into the fray, and before you know it we arguing on the merits of euthanasia and underaged workers.
So lets get back to the argument that started it.
I said an R outlauches an M235i ... Meaning dead stop, launch control and "lets see who is in front" ...
PROVIDE PROOF SHOWING THIS IS NOT THE CASE
dont deflect the request, dont bring in other "stuff". This was the point being argued. Dont post sentimental feelings you have regarding Audi or VW telling lies about their cars performance numbers. Be the supposed logical person you are and
PROVIDE PROOF THAT A GOLF 7R WONT OUTLAUNCH AN M235I (YOU WELCOME TO USE AN S3 OR M135I)
So stick to just this point here. Lets conclude on this one. you think we can do this? simple request ... but somehow i doubt you would. and all i will end up saying is "told you so, cant argue with this guy, because he has no evidence to back anything he says"
EDIT: ill put you off the ignore list. dont mind having a healthy argument. but if your next post is one where you going to get all sensitive then you on it that ignore list again, because Ill see you as a lost case and i wont be bothering.
Postmanpot wanted me to post, so i told him i wont in a PM. Because the discussion wont go anywhere. I listed responses to him, and told him, even if i reply with those responses that youd have a response back. He asked if he could post, and i told him i would not bother. But if he does post, he is posting as himself. but not as me, and he shouldnt be quoting me.
The problem Splinter is your counter arguments are fundamentally flawed because you back track on statements you made. This is just one example of a post, and your "logic"...
"But most enjoyably, please provide a little bit of evidence as to this exquisite statement:
"Pull parts out of an Audi, VW and you will see many of those parts are stamped with VW, Audi and Porsche logos. Ive seen this on the Audi ive had, on the Porsches and on the VW’s."
I beg you."
The proof to my exquisite statement (by use of that word implies i somehow fabricated it) was shown and then you say
"Umm, I was sort of laughing at the fact that just because you have some of the same parts does not mean the cars are identical..."
So first you dont believe they have the same parts and ask for proof for my exquisite statement which you begged for and now by inference you admit to them having the same parts .... BUT !? WTF ... read the posts typed by your own hand. You back track on the statements made. That is now what you call "exquisite"
Practice some logic and common sense, i mentioned the mechanicals of certain VAG models being the same. Of course one car might have four doors the other two (a 2 year old can see this and its a stupid counter argument). And there is not 100's of kilos difference between the cars that performance will be so heavily affected. So you telling me the weight of your M235i is very different to an M135i (it a 25kg difference (TARE KG) ... with the M235i being heavier)
The point here now is not to show how ignorant you are (yet again) with cars. But to highlight why arguing with you is fruitless. You honestly have been fighting me but you have not been bringing up any evidence (besides whats in your head) of the contrary to any statement ive made
And btw i think you meant s-tronic, not steptronic right? (as your post was talking Golf and Audi, steptronic is BMWs lingo for their auto box).
So one request ... and i beg pretty please.
There has been lots said. The argument of many other points have now come into the fray, and before you know it we arguing on the merits of euthanasia and underaged workers.
So lets get back to the argument that started it.
I said an R outlauches an M235i ... Meaning dead stop, launch control and "lets see who is in front" ...
PROVIDE PROOF SHOWING THIS IS NOT THE CASE
dont deflect the request, dont bring in other "stuff". This was the point being argued. Dont post sentimental feelings you have regarding Audi or VW telling lies about their cars performance numbers. Be the supposed logical person you are and
PROVIDE PROOF THAT A GOLF 7R WONT OUTLAUNCH AN M235I (YOU WELCOME TO USE AN S3 OR M135I)
So stick to just this point here. Lets conclude on this one. you think we can do this? simple request ... but somehow i doubt you would. and all i will end up saying is "told you so, cant argue with this guy, because he has no evidence to back anything he says"
EDIT: ill put you off the ignore list. dont mind having a healthy argument. but if your next post is one where you going to get all sensitive then you on it that ignore list again, because Ill see you as a lost case and i wont be bothering.
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