Heroic Dungeons...

pope24 said:
I have mostly been doing normal level dungeons and when the tank is not doing his job properly I end up OOM well before a boss dies (playing Druid Healer).

I think I need to start doing heroics because the normal level gear is next to useless.

Just out of interest, any other Resto druids out there what rotation are you using. I am using Lifebloom as my initial heal and keeping that up as long as the tank needs it. Then Rejuvenation and regrowth for the tank and wild growth to heal the resto of the party and rejuvenation and regrowth if the DPS's take too much damage.

I am sure there is a better rotation but what are you guys using.
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Im also doing normals, your tank is sucky, that is all im saying :p
Use rejuve most as its the lowest mana cost, I normally pop a rejuve on first and then a healing touch a second or 2 later if needed. Its the easiest way to keep your mana going.
If you find you are constantly spamming HoT's or have more than 2 going at a time then you know your tank is doing something wrong.

Try not to use regrowth as that is a bit heavy on mana and rejuve works better. I normally dont worry too much about the rest of the party unless they are taking massive beatings. I will always pop a quick rejuve on them though and then carryon watching the tank. Are you using healbot?
 
Must admit, im seeing a completely different world in random dungeons now that i join them from a dps only point of view.
Holy **** most tanks are either ****ing retards, or complete arseholes or generally just ****ing stupid.
No wonder people love randoms with my main as tank.
After the **** they have to deal with it must be a dream to land up in my groups when I tank on the main...
 
Tinuva said:
Must admit, im seeing a completely different world in random dungeons now that i join them from a dps only point of view.
Holy **** most tanks are either ****ing retards, or complete arseholes or generally just ****ing stupid.
No wonder people love randoms with my main as tank.
After the **** they have to deal with it must be a dream to land up in my groups when I tank on the main...
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Blow your own whistle much? :p

Ye it is true though. Tanks are mostly idiots or really arrogant. So much so that I've stopped playing my mage and leveled my rogue to PvP rather than PvE. Less frustration.
 
Method said:
Blow your own whistle much? :p

Ye it is true though. Tanks are mostly idiots or really arrogant. So much so that I've stopped playing my mage and leveled my rogue to PvP rather than PvE. Less frustration.
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I wont really agree, I think when you use the instance finder there is a VERY good chance you will end up with ****heads, not the just the tanks. Other times you get nice guys.

I like groups that don't just tank and spank, but when we actually use some tactic. "Practice for raids etc"
 
Well, it takes way to long to get a group and then to end up with idiots adds to the frustration.

I've decided to quit the PvE part of the game for now. Not only because of that, but that did contribute to the decision. Biggest reason is however that I'm moving and don't know when I'll have ADSL again so had to "quit" raiding for awhile.
 
On my tank I have to kick 1-2 DPS on average from a group if I'm pugging it, not because I'm an ******* but if DPS are pushing 2-7k single target then it just won't happen on fights like the last boss in Grim Batol...

I just wish you could sign up and get people with the same gear quality if you pug as doing a random hc every day for the VP is work enough - but add into the mix people who don't know how to DPS or sign up with 'cheat gear' (agility set on a healer) it just makes it impossible to get it done in 20-30mins and turns into gearing some random people who keeps dying in fires / etc.

Worst is when for some reason "You can't kick any more players from your group" comes up, after kicking only 1 person - and the other(s) just refuse to leave even though that person does 2-3k dps max. 4 of us had to eventually drop group and start a new heroic because 1 idiot refused to leave or do more than that..
A week ago I had to kick 8 DPS, 2 per attempt on that last boss in GB without any problem of limit, so not sure how Blizzard calculates it.

Last piece of "Heroic dungeon" rant:
CC in most cases is for under geared people. Here and there you need to CC one or two (a healer/caster) but people need to start forgetting about marking up a whole group for CC and just interrupt and stun those mobs to reduce group dmg. Tanks pull about 10-14k AoE DPS on bigger packs and DPS should be doing 10-25k AoE DPS depending on spec. Healers can do +10k HPS to keep the group up. All's good.

Anyway, preaching to the choir here.
 
I don't think all classes can AoE that well, I know as a tank I;ve pulled up to 29k aoe dps, it all depends on how much my vengence goes up. The problem is, some classes just can't do that. Take shadow priests for example, their aoe spell was nerfed into the ground, so at best what they can do is just dot up everything then start their single target dps. You can expect 8-12k depending on their gear.

Warlocks could AoE dps very well, I've seen it at 85, but my 82 lock for some reason can't do it, I am either missing a new spell or my current stuff just suck. However give me single target dps and I have out dps'd level 84-85 players already. Don't ask me how, I guess they just suck, but I already do 7-8k dps at level 82 single target.

Method said:
Blow your own whistle much? :p

Ye it is true though. Tanks are mostly idiots or really arrogant. So much so that I've stopped playing my mage and leveled my rogue to PvP rather than PvE. Less frustration.
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LoL. Getting thanked after the run, I used to think its normal and didn't think much of it except some guys had good manners, now I see it doesn't happen in other groups until a good tank join.
 
Whats bloody frustrating is when you random - average is 40 a minute que... and you end up queing with retards who know absolutely no tacts at all and don't ask- or their DPS is 5k max. It can take upto 4 hours requeing for a decent group to replace the kicked guys.

I don't mind sub par dps or tank. As long as they are willing to learn and use their brains a bit :/

ilevel is 346 - gonna reforge for Hit cap and start raiding :)
 
SYNERGY said:
Whats bloody frustrating is when you random - average is 40 a minute que... and you end up queing with retards who know absolutely no tacts at all and don't ask- or their DPS is 5k max. It can take upto 4 hours requeing for a decent group to replace the kicked guys.

I don't mind sub par dps or tank. As long as they are willing to learn and use their brains a bit :/

ilevel is 346 - gonna reforge for Hit cap and start raiding :)
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My iLevel is only 335 and I can manage 8 - 10k dps without working up a sweat, more if there is a group to AoE on.

I'm just worried about the next ptr, my class (SV hunter) is getting a nerf
 
Good tanks are hard to find... Most of the time they expect the healer to keep them up no matter what form of damage is being dealt to them.
A good tank knows when to blow his cooldowns and damage reduction abilities to give the healer some breathing space.

I think a part of the problem is the insane long waiting times people have to wait when they queue in the random dungeon group finder.... you end up in a situation where DPS/tanking hybrids end up queuing in tank spec just because they dont want to sit and wait for half an hour. Most of the time their gear, talents, glyphs are not optimal. The other problem is when a poorly geared tank, is tanking for DPS guys in good gear. The threat generation of the tank is not sufficient always, then it ends up in a L2Play argument and tanks blaming dps for pulling aggro and not watching their threat.

DPS on the other hand are also not that innocent sometimes... certain encounters like the last boss in Grim Batol... oi man.. painfull crap if you sit with scrub dps that cant kill their individual hatchers.
 
SYNERGY said:
Whats bloody frustrating is when you random - average is 40 a minute que... and you end up queing with retards who know absolutely no tacts at all and don't ask- or their DPS is 5k max. It can take upto 4 hours requeing for a decent group to replace the kicked guys.

I don't mind sub par dps or tank. As long as they are willing to learn and use their brains a bit :/

ilevel is 346 - gonna reforge for Hit cap and start raiding :)
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My ilvl is 353 (no cheat gear) and I do hc's as a druid tank. I still need to do deadmines / stonecore on HC, and I only do a heroic once every week or so, thus I don't know tactics for all the fights either. To avoid upsetting everyone I never tick the "I'm capable of leading this group" tickbox. I assume whoever does would then be responsible for tactics.

I'm not sure how ethical this is, but my guildies often ask me to enroll in a random hc with them as tank, which means they get entered into the dungeon within 5 seconds or so, then I quit with a debuff (since I wasn't planning on running anyway) and they get pushed to the front of the queue and within a minute or 2 they have a tank running with them.
 
Voicy said:
I only do a heroic once every week or so, thus I don't know tactics for all the fights either. To avoid upsetting everyone I never tick the "I'm capable of leading this group" tickbox. I assume whoever does would then be responsible for tactics.
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I'm on 347 myself (still need a rep boots + crafted chest), and also run heroics about once a week... usually only when i get a full guild group. Sitting on 420 VP atm :rolleyes:

WRT the Leader tickbox, whoever gets it generally gives DL to the Tank to mark. I cringe when the DL marks elementals to be sheeped, dragons to be repentanced and humanoids to be trapped - it's scenarios like that where i get bored, flaunt the fact I can CC 3 mobs, lose interest in what ever the group is doing and go on my own mission
 
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Last night I had a group that accidentally pulled everytime. I couldn't believe it. I would type "take care around the corner" and someone would run around the corner and pull a grp. I would run ahead and hug one side and type "keep right" and some twit would go left.
The Mage even launched a frost bolt at his sheeped target at least four times. From the second time I let the mob kill him and taunted when it went for the healer. It was hilarious.
 
zippy said:
The Mage even launched a frost bolt at his sheeped target at least four times. From the second time I let the mob kill him and taunted when it went for the healer. It was hilarious.
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Teaching noobs how to play 1 death at a time :p

Then again, that hunter autoshot bug got the best of me last night in GB, targetted my trap within 2sec of killing my last target...<3 tanks with fast reaction times :)
 
Veroland said:
My iLevel is only 335 and I can manage 8 - 10k dps without working up a sweat, more if there is a group to AoE on.

I'm just worried about the next ptr, my class (SV hunter) is getting a nerf
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Not to worry though, with some gear you'll be pushing huge dps. My group's SV hunter is top of the log by quite a margin and very obviously needs a nerf..
 
You should see what they do in 25 mans !

And no... leave hunters alone, no nerfs required... working as intended **grin**
 
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