How the WITS student voting will work

[porchrat]

I said let's agree to disagree.

Explaining your world view should be easy... provided it isn't a one-sided mess of entitlement and an unjustified sense of self-importance.

So what gives you the right to tell others what they can and cannot do, to bar them from doing what they want to do and under what circumstances am I justified in doing that to you?

 

[porchrat]

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Well done. I truly mean this. Keep it up, don't throw your future away.

 

[CruelBreeze]

Either way, the lecturer is offering you his personal time outside of the lecture to give you personal attention to address your problem. This is something you should be glad for, not upset by. Many lecturers will not give you this opportunity.



You're doing just that actually. They're not half there and half not, they simply won't waste their time on you. You're one in hundreds. You need to show these lecturers that you're worth their time. Do the extra work, look it up. Then tell them which avenues of reserach you've exhausted and which aspects you don't understand. Once you come at them with that they will more than likely help you. Lecturers are not obligated to spoonfeed you. This isn't high school. If you're looking to be spoonfed you don't belong in tertiary education.

I was once told by a lecturer when I asked a question about second year to not worry about it because I would never make it to second year anyway. I didn't whine about it. Instead I worked my arse off and I made it to second year with marks right up at the top of my class. Once that happened his whole attitude changed. Remember they're on the lookout for kids that show potential to come join their post graduate units.

In short: Man the fsck up.



and some genuinely recommend decent journal articles to read that cover the topic beautifully, or chapters from other textbooks, freely available in the library, that will give you a greater understanding than you get out of the lectures. I've met lecturers like that often. You have a very unhealthy view on lectures. If you want that first class pass you have to work for it and that includes attending your lectures.

It's not a favour if you're avoiding all those "strongly disagrees" in lecturer and course evaluations. That's a question.

And nobody is being spoon fed anything. Also, there's nothing special about a first year student being told they won't make it to second year. For some reason they get a kick out of it.

As for my attitude towards lecturers, you're wrong about it. They're great guys, personally. As for their teaching ability? Not so much.

 

[porchrat]

It's not a favour if you're avoiding all those "strongly disagrees" in lecturer and course evaluations. That's a question.

I have no idea what you're saying here. I'm not sure it's even English.

And nobody is being spoon fed anything.

That is what you're asking for if you want every single answer to every single question you ask given to you in the lecture. I don't know what else to call that.

Also, there's nothing special about a first year student being told they won't make it to second year. For some reason they get a kick out of it.

Yes but it is the same dismissive attitude you seem to take offence at in lectures. It isn't them being dismissive for the sake of it, they genuinely don't care about you until you prove to them that you're worthy of their consideration.

As for my attitude towards lecturers, you're wrong about it. They're great guys, personally. As for their teaching ability? Not so much.

Your attitude towards lectures. Read my boy. Keep in mind they're not teachers, they're lecturers. Different things. Drop the high school mentality and understand that you're dealing with a different animal. Teachers cared about whether you passed or failed, lecturers don't.

 

[BigAl-sa]

you seem disappointed, do you want anarchy to continue?

It's exam time. He hasn't prepared for his exams, so he wants the anarchy to continue?

 

[BigAl-sa]

Concepts in lectures: sure but these guys aren't great at explaining. They may know it, but are damn right horrible at expressing
Student: Can you please explain how xyz works again. I didn't get abc.
Lecturer: See me after the lecture.

Student: I'm sorry I don't understand how...
Lecturer: *cuts student off* Try to understand. /moves on

Student: Could you please slow down?
Lecturer: Think faster.

The last two are the same guy.

Wouldn't know about other articles and case studies etc. Physics is physics, maths is maths no matter what textbook you use.

If you got more out of your lectures, good for you.



Cute




You might want to sit in in one of my lectures one day.

You shouldn't be at university.

A student of mine (a black student at tuks in 1994), worked as a gardener to supplement his funds and give him a roof over his head. He completed his MBChB in the prescribed time without failing one subject.

How many subjects are you carrying for your current year? It's going to be lots more if this crap carries on...

 

[CruelBreeze]

You are so privileged.

Explain yourself.

I have no idea what you're saying here. I'm not sure it's even English.



That is what you're asking for if you want every single answer to every single question you ask given to you in the lecture. I don't know what else to call that.



Yes but it is the same dismissive attitude you seem to take offence at in lectures. It isn't them being dismissive for the sake of it, they genuinely don't care about you until you prove to them that you're worthy of their consideration.



Your attitude towards lectures. Read my boy. Keep in mind they're not teachers, they're lecturers. Different things. Drop the high school mentality and understand that you're dealing with a different animal. Teachers cared about whether you passed or failed, lecturers don't.

1. Lecturers get reviewed by students. List of questions with options ranging from strongly agrees to strongly disagrees. One question is on their availability outside lecturers. None of them want strongly disagrees.

2. No that's asking the lecturer to do his job and teach you the basic concept. Skipping on those is like condemning a student to failure.

3. Sorry. Not the same.

4. Which high school mentality would that be.

 

[porchrat]

Explain yourself.



1. Lecturers get reviewed by students. List of questions with options ranging from strongly agrees to strongly disagrees. One question is on their availability outside lecturers. None of them want strongly disagrees.

Sure, but some of them will get that strongly disagrees and others actually make themselves available outside of lectures... which again... is a positive. Credit where credit is due if they're making themselves available. You're giving these lecturers tons of criticism but when they do something that benefits you they don't get the praise. It simply isn't fair.

2. No that's asking the lecturer to do his job and teach you the basic concept. Skipping on those is like condemning a student to failure.

His job isn't to teach you the basic concepts, it is to deliver a lecture series. He isn't a teacher, he is a lecturer. They're not the same thing. He can decide at his discretion whether or not to give you additional help but he is under no obligation to do so.

3. Sorry. Not the same.

It is ultimately that same dismissive attitude. They don't have time for you because they don't believe you're worth their time. They don't feel they'll see even half those first years next year.

4. Which high school mentality would that be.

See point 2. You need to rid yourself of the expectation that lecturers are going to behave like your high school teachers. If you don't you will be constantly disappointed and bitter. High school teachers care about individual students, most lecturers do not.

 

[CruelBreeze]

You shouldn't be at university.

A student of mine (a black student at tuks in 1994), worked as a gardener to supplement his funds and give him a roof over his head. He completed his MBChB in the prescribed time without failing one subject.

How many subjects are you carrying for your current year? It's going to be lots more if this crap carries on...

Ok. Do Deans list students carry courses?

 

[Zarkon]

Why don't the protesting students get a job and after a couple years of working start saving and then start studying a degree through unisa.

Thousands of south african's have done it,why can't they?

Why are they so hell bent on getting higher education for free,or can their brain not simply compute that we live in a 3rd world country ,when there are millions still living in shacks,with no clean water, and that even if there was money to compensate 50% of fee's don't they think we should first help with housing and all other service delivery in the poor areas.

 

[BBSA]

Explain yourself.
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You are studying at one of the best faculties at one of the best Universities.....and you parents are paying for it.

You are so privileged.

Sad that you take it for granted.

 

[BBSA]

 

[CruelBreeze]

Sure, but some of them will get that strongly disagrees and others actually make themselves available outside of lectures... which again... is a positive. Credit where credit is due if they're making themselves available. You're giving these lecturers tons of criticism but when they do something that benefits you they don't get the praise. It simply isn't fair.



His job isn't to teach you the basic concepts, it is to deliver a lecture series. He isn't a teacher, he is a lecturer. They're not the same thing. He can decide at his discretion whether or not to give you additional help but he is under no obligation to do so.


It is ultimately that same dismissive attitude. They don't have time for you because they don't believe you're worth their time. They don't feel they'll see even half those first years next year.



See point 2. You need to rid yourself of the expectation that lecturers are going to behave like your high school teachers. If you don't you will be constantly disappointed and bitter. High school teachers care about individual students, most lecturers do not.

No student will mark you down for something you do well.

Secondly, this one time, a lecturer walked in and he read out a piece of papers handed to him by the school on the objectives of his lecture series. A lot of the statements referred to students UNDERSTANDING CONCEPTS. If you don't put in the effort to reach those objectives, you're not doing your job. Blatantly ignoring a student's lack of understanding is failing in your duties. Just because its what every lecturer does, that doesn't mean that's what they're supposed to do. He's one of only two people who've done that in my personal experience (the other guy put it in the course notes he handed out).

 

[BigAl-sa]

Ok. Do Deans list students carry courses?

If you are a dean's (note spelling) list student, you should be expelled, as you certainly are not going to pass your subjects this year. You are spending more time on these boards (trying to justify why you don't need to study) than you are with your studies.

 

[CruelBreeze]

If you are a dean's (note spelling) list student, you should be expelled, as you certainly are not going to pass your subjects this year. You are spending more time on these boards (trying to justify why you don't need to study) than you are with your studies.

Thats really cute. Show me a post justifying not studying? And just so you know, I'm an night person. I'm not gonna sit during the day lying to myself that I'm studying when I know nothing is going in. Try again.

 

[CruelBreeze]

You are studying at one of the best faculties at one of the best Universities.....and you parents are paying for it.

You are so privileged.

Sad that you take it for granted.

I don't take anything for granted.

Attending Wits shouldn't be limited to people who can afford it. The only thing students should feel privileged about is that they were accepted on merit. It shouldn't have anything to do with money.

 

[Splinter]

If the majority votes for something in an opinion poll, it means nothing. And why is Adam Habib being lazy and reducing this to a vote? We might as well have a vice chancellor app because clearly all we need is to vote on things. Why can't we have opinion polls on other decisions made at the institution?

So what makes you think this meeting won't be disrupted or people intimidated?

 

[Splinter]

Thats really cute. Show me a post justifying not studying? And just so you know, I'm an night person. I'm not gonna sit during the day lying to myself that I'm studying when I know nothing is going in. Try again.

Isn't it night time now?

 

[Splinter]

Attending Wits shouldn't be limited to people who can afford it. The only thing students should feel privileged about is that they were accepted on merit. It shouldn't have anything to do with money.

Who TF do you think pays for this "free" education?

Edit: At the end of the day, it's all about money. Why are you studying in the first place then?

 

[BBSA]

I don't take anything for granted.

Why when must I explain to you why you are privileged?

Attending Wits shouldn't be limited to people who can afford it. The only thing students should feel privileged about is that they were accepted on merit. It shouldn't have anything to do with money.

Agree, loans should be available to all worthy students.