How To: Rip Blu-ray Discs: Legally!

[I am Penguin]

As this came up a few time where people complain about DRM, this is your solution!

How To: Rip Blu-ray Discs

How it Works
AnyDVD HD is a driver that sits in the background, which automatically removes the AACS or BD+ security lock and the region code from any BD disc you load, allowing it to be ripped. The video on most Blu-ray discs is encoded in the MPEG4 AVC format in .m2ts files, so it will need to be transcoded from AVC to something else (like an H.264 MP4 file) for playback on other devices.

 

[PeterCH]

It's still ILLEGAL in the eyes of your darling content producers. Go ahead where Slysoft is located - it's located inAntigua and Barbuda ie in one of the tax havens and one of the non-US territories. Cracking the DRM on
BDs is against the DCMA of the USA although the act of conversion of Copyright material from one medium to another is ITSELF not illegal in the USA.
Neither Slysoft nor Fengtao Soft can open up a physical presence in the US and EU because doing so would bring civil lawsuits against them. This isn't software a company like Symantec could make therefore. It's quasi-legal software - in other words if YOU wanted to be a dealer of these programs in South Africa and brought a container full across - Ster Kinekor would sue you within days.

Secondly this is old news and there is a competing product from Fengtao Soft in China called DVDFab. It's available at www.dvdidle.com

These are workarounds and they are not the way to go. The way to go is to be PRO-CONSUMER and sell discs which 1. Do not downconvert over component.
2. Allow for conversion to other formats eg Video iPod and 3. Can be backed up and backups played while the original is kept in the collection.

See: http://forum.slysoft.com/showpost.php?p=85396&postcount=8

 

[I am Penguin]

It's still ILLEGAL in the eyes of your darling content producers. Go ahead where Slysoft is located - it's located inAntigua and Barbuda ie in one of the tax havens and one of the non-US territories. Cracking the DRM on
BDs is against the DCMA of the USA although the act of conversion of Copyright material from one medium to another is ITSELF not illegal in the USA.
Neither Slysoft nor Fengtao Soft can open up a physical presence in the US and EU because doing so would bring civil lawsuits against them. This isn't software a company like Symantec could make therefore. It's quasi-legal software - in other words if YOU wanted to be a dealer of these programs in South Africa and brought a container full across - Ster Kinekor would sue you within days.

Secondly this is old news and there is a competing product from Fengtao Soft in China called DVDFab. It's available at www.dvdidle.com

These are workarounds and they are not the way to go.

The way to go is to be PRO-CONSUMER and sell discs which
1. Do not downconvert over component.
2. Allow for conversion to other formats eg Video iPod and
3. Can be backed up and backups played while the original is kept in the collection.

See: http://forum.slysoft.com/showpost.php?p=85396&postcount=8

Yeah. ANY copying is illegall, unless you live in africa as you stated here it is called "fair use".

1) This point re the PRO-CONSUMER concept is a farce as most consumers cannot be trusted and the rest will steal the products with DMR's for free as its been proven already. Back to the reasons for why Microsoft and Sony (The rest) supporting the DRM.
2) Allowing for conversion brings you back to point 1. So you want to "Buy" sony products designed for Blu Ray and run it on the I-pod for free. Hillarious!
3) Making free copies as backups at will again for "storage", back to point 1

So Sony must do all those things that would actually enhance and contribute to more rife piracy so that your old products and technology do not become obsolete in a short time?


Regarding to converting to other formats like I-phone etc. Do they pay any licence fees to use those products when it is converted? Hmmm. So all this is about is a free lunch. Get Apple to sign agreements with Sony to use their products. Simple.

Questions:
Why do you not run the Sony products on the PSP? or any othe Licensed Sony product. That would be possible.

Same arguments.

Sony must agree to allow Killzone 2 to run on the Xbox and sommer also on your I-phone too. Hillarious.

So on the same token Microsoft must let all their products run on Apple and visa versa.

All these point you mention comes back to the same gripes you had in all the other threads. You want a free lunch. Not possible.

You want all future technologies to be backward compatible with your old junk. Not possible.

Regarding your backups, Once these new products are mainstream and they become cheaper, sommer buy two then keep one in safe custody. Or get Sony to agree to supply you a new disc when your copy get scratched, broken, is stolen or the "2 year old rub the disc on the floor". Then you could sommer save or do not even need any insurance at all.

Do you realise how pathetic those arguments are when compared to the large scale problem of P2P piracy and DMR's theft going on by downloading online and copying "backups" offline.

This whole arguments sits well in conjunction with the pride and joy you uttered in the thread where the RIAA is cutting jobs and the compassion and interest you have shown in the Pirate Bay court case where its very clear you are biased towards a positive outcome for Pirate Bay and P2P piracy winning.

Let me not fool YOU I am also part of the problem, like most with a online PC, but that wont make me change my stance against DRM and for the valid reasons why DRM have to exist. Live with it or file a class action law suit against Sony for removing your "rights" of "fair" use.

 

[I am Penguin]

- in other words if YOU wanted to be a dealer of these programs in South Africa and brought a container full across - Ster Kinekor would sue you within days.

So then it must be illegal to use the program? Hmmm. No "fair use" deal here?
So downloading it by the trucks full is no problem?

I for on would not be interested inthis or any other method. The reason for this thread is not for the actual method, but to highlite the practicality of the whole issue around Blu Ray, Downloading, Copying and conversions. It just easier to adapt to the new technology, purhase the electronics and Blu Ray media with content and thats it. DRM' here we come. All works nicely together. No guilt no pain!

 

[PeterCH]

So then it must be illegal to use the program? Hmmm. No "fair use" deal here?
So downloading it by the trucks full is no problem?

I for on would not be interested inthis or any other method. The reason for this thread is not for the actual method, but to highlite the practicality of the whole issue around Blu Ray, Downloading, Copying and conversions. It just easier to adapt to the new technology, purhase the electronics and Blu Ray media with content and thats it. DRM' here we come. All works nicely together. No guilt no pain!

You are allowed to make backups but you may not break COPY PROTECTION.
Hence there is a paradox, but that's how it is. The content producers would like it to be ILLEGAL TO MAKE BACKUPS too but they haven't bribed enough law makers yet.

 

[I am Penguin]

You are allowed to make backups but you may not break COPY PROTECTION.
Hence there is a paradox, but that's how it is. The content producers would like it to be ILLEGAL TO MAKE BACKUPS too but they haven't bribed enough law makers yet.

No!, another fictious bribe conspiracy in the making. Must be another Japanese custom. LOL.

 

[PeterCH]

Yeah. ANY copying is illegall, unless you live in africa as you stated here it is called "fair use".

1) This point re the PRO-CONSUMER concept is a farce as most consumers cannot be trusted and the rest will steal the products with DMR's for free as its been proven already. Back to the reasons for why Microsoft and Sony (The rest) supporting the DRM.
2) Allowing for conversion brings you back to point 1. So you want to "Buy" sony products designed for Blu Ray and run it on the I-pod for free. Hillarious!
3) Making free copies as backups at will again for "storage", back to point 1

So Sony must do all those things that would actually enhance and contribute to more rife piracy so that your old products and technology do not become obsolete in a short time?


Regarding to converting to other formats like I-phone etc. Do they pay any licence fees to use those products when it is converted? Hmmm. So all this is about is a free lunch. Get Apple to sign agreements with Sony to use their products. Simple.

Questions:
Why do you not run the Sony products on the PSP? or any othe Licensed Sony product. That would be possible.

Same arguments.

Sony must agree to allow Killzone 2 to run on the Xbox and sommer also on your I-phone too. Hillarious.

So on the same token Microsoft must let all their products run on Apple and visa versa.

All these point you mention comes back to the same gripes you had in all the other threads. You want a free lunch. Not possible.

You want all future technologies to be backward compatible with your old junk. Not possible.

Regarding your backups, Once these new products are mainstream and they become cheaper, sommer buy two then keep one in safe custody. Or get Sony to agree to supply you a new disc when your copy get scratched, broken, is stolen or the "2 year old rub the disc on the floor". Then you could sommer save or do not even need any insurance at all.

Do you realise how pathetic those arguments are when compared to the large scale problem of P2P piracy and DMR's theft going on by downloading online and copying "backups" offline.

This whole arguments sits well in conjunction with the pride and joy you uttered in the thread where the RIAA is cutting jobs and the compassion and interest you have shown in the Pirate Bay court case where its very clear you are biased towards a positive outcome for Pirate Bay and P2P piracy winning.

Let me not fool YOU I am also part of the problem, like most with a online PC, but that wont make me change my stance against DRM and for the valid reasons why DRM have to exist. Live with it or file a class action law suit against Sony for removing your "rights" of "fair" use.

Fair Use is an American principle. In both US and SA law copying copyrighted works for personal BACKUP is NOT ILLEGAL. You can verify that by Googling for it for SA Copyright Laws. It's also been posted on this forum at least once, so do a forum search.

In the US you can also Format Shift. That is considered one of the Fair Use rights. In SA the law does not go into that - so that is possibly quasi legal. However, no one will go after you if you rip a CD to your iPod, although RIAA would like you not to do that, they're against this, for obvious reasons.
Same with movies, rip a DVD or BD to your video iPod and watch the content you LICENCED at a different location instead of bringing your DVD player and TV on the airplane with you or a bulky portable DVD player.

MS doesn't have to let competing companies have their products in the same light Warner Brothers doesn't have to give their movie to Sony Pictures. The buyer of the LICENCE of the movie (when you buy the movie on BD or DVD you buy the licence to watch it) should have full right to do whatever he wants with the movie as long as he does not distribute that movie or publicly
display it - eg to an audience - for free or for money. I agree with that, however if I buy a movie (licence) I should be able to excercise fair use
by being able to backup my investment and watch it anywhere I want. Furthermore I want it to work with older hardware AND to be able to buy US versions of movies not available in SA as well as Japanese versions. As is if I want to watch a Japanese Bluray of say "5cm per Second" I cannot do it
without using the quasi-legal AnyDVDHD/Fengtao OR importing a US/Japanese market BD player which runs on 120 V and which causes logistic issues (expensive to import, an extra box to hassle with, an extra machine to spend money on).

As a consumer I want to exercise my rights. I can also pirate but I don't want to. If I wanted to pirate I wouldn't worry myself about these DRM/Region issues.
I'd like to watch this movie on my setup --> http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=CWF-502 but content producers won't let me.

 

[PeterCH]

No!, another fictious bribe conspiracy in the making. Must be another Japanese custom. LOL.

So you don't believe in industry lobby groups and special interest groups?

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...lion-lobbying-for-tougher-ip-laws-in-2007.ars

 

[I am Penguin]

Fair Use is an American principle. In both US and SA law copying copyrighted works for personal BACKUP is NOT ILLEGAL. You can verify that by Googling for it for SA Copyright Laws. It's also been posted on this forum at least once, so do a forum search.

In the US you can also Format Shift. That is considered one of the Fair Use rights. In SA the law does not go into that - so that is possibly quasi legal. However, no one will go after you if you rip a CD to your iPod, although RIAA would like you not to do that, they're against this, for obvious reasons.
Same with movies, rip a DVD or BD to your video iPod and watch the content you LICENCED at a different location instead of bringing your DVD player and TV on the airplane with you or a bulky portable DVD player.

MS doesn't have to let competing companies have their products in the same light Warner Brothers doesn't have to give their movie to Sony Pictures. The buyer of the LICENCE of the movie (when you buy the movie on BD or DVD you buy the licence to watch it) should have full right to do whatever he wants with the movie as long as he does not distribute that movie or publicly
display it - eg to an audience - for free or for money. I agree with that, however if I buy a movie (licence) I should be able to excercise fair use
by being able to backup my investment and watch it anywhere I want. Furthermore I want it to work with older hardware AND to be able to buy US versions of movies not available in SA as well as Japanese versions. As is if I want to watch a Japanese Bluray of say "5cm per Second" I cannot do it
without using the quasi-legal AnyDVDHD/Fengtao OR importing a US/Japanese market BD player which runs on 120 V and which causes logistic issues (expensive to import, an extra box to hassle with, an extra machine to spend money on).

As a consumer I want to exercise my rights. I can also pirate but I don't want to. If I wanted to pirate I wouldn't worry myself about these DRM/Region issues.

All agreed, so that is your "fair use" right you want to exercise (While I doubt that sincerely) and to do that Sony must throw away their own rights and those of all the hundreds of content producers, musicians/actors, etc, just so that a "1 in a million" person, that may be trusted, may have their "fair use" right. Bugger the rest. Even while it clear, as history have shown, that it is not possible. Pathetic.

Simple solution to your problem. Do not buy or use any of that equipment infringing your "fair use" rights. We know you have Apple stuff so source the stuff you need from them. If they do not have it or its not compatible its Your problem. Live with it and go without. Buy Sony products if you want to use Sony produced media where they have the license to the rights they pay for. You cannot go to a shop and buy a Blu Ray disk and then go home and because it cannot be used in you PC, I-phone or toaster for that matter cry foul and say your rights was abused because you bought it and cannot play it. You rather abused Sony's rights. Buy a legal licensed player and play it in there, Now then you claim BUT now I want to run it in my I-POD you bought fro Apple and payed them the license fees FAIL. You are back to square 1. The I-POD is not licensed to play that SONY media and neither your toaster for that matter.

Your arguments of importing cross region is just as pathetic. It is not licensed to be used here. If you import it (Which should be illegal) its your own problem. Not Sony's problem. If you import the media out of region to bypass the local representatives the same applies. Its your problem. So because it is 120V in Japan you want Sony now to either supply you with a 220v unit from Japan or force Japan to convert to 220V. How pathetic. It's one big Joke. Technically your arguments is a disaster and its clear all you want is a free lunch or ride to heaven.

 

[I am Penguin]

So you don't believe in industry lobby groups and special interest groups?

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...lion-lobbying-for-tougher-ip-laws-in-2007.ars

Nothing to do with the topic PeterCH. You are one helleva confused individual!

 

[PeterCH]

All agreed, so that is your "fair use" right you want to exercise (While I doubt that sincerely) and to do that Sony must throw away their own rights and those of all the hundreds of content producers, musicians/actors, etc, just so that a "1 in a million" person, that may be trusted, may have their "fair use" right. Bugger the rest. Even while it clear, as history have shown, that it is not possible. Pathetic.

Simple solution to your problem. Do not buy or use any of that equipment infringing your "fair use" rights. We know you have Apple stuff so source the stuff you need from them. If they do not have it or its not compatible its Your problem. Live with it and go without. Buy Sony products if you want to use Sony produced media where they have the license to the rights they pay for. You cannot go to a shop and buy a Blu Ray disk and then go home and because it cannot be used in you PC, I-phone or toaster for that matter cry foul and say your rights was abused because you bought it and cannot play it. You rather abused Sony's rights. Buy a legal licensed player and play it in there, Now then you claim BUT now I want to run it in my I-POD you bought fro Apple and payed them the license fees FAIL. You are back to square 1. The I-POD is not licensed to play that SONY media and neither your toaster for that matter.

Your arguments of importing cross region is just as pathetic. It is not licensed to be used here. If you import it (Which should be illegal) its your own problem. Not Sony's problem. If you import the media out of region to bypass the local representatives the same applies. Its your problem. So because it is 120V in Japan you want Sony now to either supply you with a 220v unit from Japan or force Japan to convert to 220V. How pathetic. It's one big Joke. Technically your arguments is a disaster and its clear all you want is a free lunch or ride to heaven.

???

Can someone else chime in and explain what this guy is on about???

Did I say I wanted a 220v converter from SONY?

You are a LIAR man. Go away from this forum, you'll be banned soon enough.

 

[PeterCH]

Nothing to do with the topic PeterCH. You are one helleva confused individual!

It's a reply to your previous reply. You're the confused one here.

It's IMPOSSIBLE TO DISCUSS ANYTHING WITH THIS GUY.

This is the most confused forumite ever. Even the topic he posted, about AnyDVDHD we've all known about for years
see http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=74105&highlight=anydvdhd
, this n00b discovered only today,
and he chimes that it's LEGAL, where the DMCA says it's not. Hence the whole argument.
I can't understand this guy's logic. What a rude blighter, too.

 

[I am Penguin]

It's a reply to your previous reply. You're the confused one here.

It's IMPOSSIBLE TO DISCUSS ANYTHING WITH THIS GUY.

This is the most confused forumite ever. Even the topic he posted, about AnyDVDHD we've all known about for years, this n00b discovered only today,
and he chimes that it's LEGAL, where the DMCA says it's not. Hence the whole argument.
I can't understand this guy's logic. What a rude blighter, too.

You are the real joker here boy. You could not have known too much about copying Blu Ray format for years as the format is recent and the Anydvd version that could copy Blu ray even younger. That is not the issue. In the other threads you and others claimed that it would be easy to copy Blu Ray. So this thread was born to show the complexity and prove you were talking Schit as usual. You know nothing about the subject matter. You argue against DRM because of your personal experiences of purhasing the wrong stuff at the wrong time and therefore have a gripe personally against M$ (Apple/MAC/OSX owner fan) and SONY (ANTI DRM activist) because you cannot play a Blu Ray player on your THREE OLD Schitt Component HD TV's that is not HDCP compliant. Thats your gripe. (Oh and its the wrong time for these technologies as the world is in crisis) That unfortunately is your problem as ALL my stuff works fine together, yours obviously not.

 

[PeterCH]

You are the real joker here boy. You could not have known too much about copying Blu Ray format for years as the format is recent and the Anydvd version that could copy Blu ray even younger. That is not the issue. In the other threads you and others claimed that it would be easy to copy Blu Ray. So this thread was born to show the complexity and prove you were talking Schit as usual. You know nothing about the subject matter. You argue against DRM because of your personal experiences of purhasing the wrong stuff at the wrong time and therefore have a gripe personally against M$ (Apple/MAC/OSX owner fan) and SONY (ANTI DRM activist) because you cannot play a Blu Ray player on your THREE OLD Schitt Component HD TV's that is not HDCP compliant. Thats your gripe. (Oh and its the wrong time for these technologies as the world is in crisis) That unfortunately is your problem as ALL my stuff works fine together, yours obviously not.

You're incapable of defeating my arguments so you attack me personally. If we did a poll here, more people would side with my take on things, in fact everyone here virtually agrees with me, no-one likes DRM.

By the way, in your sig you say you mod Xboxes and people want that for piracy, why are you admitting to being complicit in crimes then if you know that people are using their consoles for piracy, why do you still mod them?
Sounds very hypocritical, you MADE MONEY from Piracy. I don't support Pirates. Sheesh man, you're really a criminal and you indicted yourself.

Maybe I should let the BSA know about that or should I give you a chance to turn yourself in?

 

[rwenzori]

Fair Use is an American principle.

On a point of order - it IS part of SA law, and is called "fair dealing":

12. (1) Copyright shall not be infringed by any fair dealing with a literary or musical work—
(a) for the purposes of research or private study by, or the personal or private use of, the person using the
work;
(b) for the purposes of criticism or review of that work or of another work; or
(c) for the purpose of reporting current events—
(i) in a newspaper, magazine or similar periodical; or
(ii) by means of broadcasting or in a cinematograph film:

Read the Act to see how and where it applies.

To confirm the bit about programs:

19B.
(2) The copyright in a computer program shall not be infringed by a person who is in lawful possession of that
computer program, or an authorized copy thereof, if—
(a) he makes copies thereof to the extent reasonably necessary for back-up purposes;
(b) a copy so made is intended exclusively for personal or private purposes; and
(c) such copy is destroyed when the possession of the computer program in question, or authorized copy
thereof, ceases to be lawful.

 

[PeterCH]

On a point of order - it IS part of SA law, and is called "fair dealing":


Read the Act to see how and where it applies.

To confirm the bit about programs:

Tell that to Mr Penguin who claims people who don't want DRM are pirates.

 

[I am Penguin]

Tell that to Mr Penguin who claims people who don't want DRM are pirates.

No! I said Pirates are the most active against DRM, IF THE SHOE FITS.

I say and claim that by making things easy for you to copy and store ALSO MAKES IT EASY FOR MILLIONS OUT THERE TO ABUSE THE SYSTEM. Therefore DRM was born. Now the laws or sytem should or may adapt to safeguard your "Fair use" for backup. Not distribute, rip and alter the format, bypass the protection and play in on anything you want. That is why there is a problem in the first place.

 

[PeterCH]

No! I say and claim that by making things easy for you to copy and store ALSO MAKES IT EASY FOR MILLIONS OUT THERE TO ABUSE THE SYSTEM. Therefore DRM was born. Now the laws or sytem should or may adapt to safeguard your "Fair use" for backup. Not distribute, rip and alter the format, bypass the protection and play in on anything you want. That is why there is a problem in the first place.

So you agree that BD is unfair in it's present form and is undesirable, from at least that aspect?

 

[PeterCH]

All agreed, so that is your "fair use" right you want to exercise (While I doubt that sincerely) and to do that Sony must throw away their own rights and those of all the hundreds of content producers, musicians/actors, etc, just so that a "1 in a million" person, that may be trusted, may have their "fair use" right. Bugger the rest. Even while it clear, as history have shown, that it is not possible. Pathetic.

Pirates have already cracked BD DRM. It's also possible to crack it via connecting to a modified HDCP device eg an LCD screen and capture the digital data as it goes past the HDMI connector. Pirates have also cracked DECSS and various program protections - you can buy pirated versions of Windows, Photoshop and AutoCAD. Pirates will crack everything and it will be DRM-free. A person who buys the BD can't do any of the legally entrenched consumer rights that are allowed in the links rwenzori has posted.

Simple solution to your problem. Do not buy or use any of that equipment infringing your "fair use" rights. We know you have Apple stuff so source the stuff you need from them. If they do not have it or its not compatible its Your problem. Live with it and go without. Buy Sony products if you want to use Sony produced media where they have the license to the rights they pay for. You cannot go to a shop and buy a Blu Ray disk and then go home and because it cannot be used in you PC, I-phone or toaster for that matter cry foul and say your rights was abused because you bought it and cannot play it. You rather abused Sony's rights. Buy a legal licensed player and play it in there, Now then you claim BUT now I want to run it in my I-POD you bought fro Apple and payed them the license fees FAIL. You are back to square 1. The I-POD is not licensed to play that SONY media and neither your toaster for that matter.

The issue is that BD is undesirable in its present form for many people. The industry doesn't want to not sell me or else they wouldn't advertise BD to me in stores, on the web or even via you who keeps on posting links to that psu site.

Your arguments of importing cross region is just as pathetic.

Tell that to Jeff Bizos of Amazon who sells BDs and DVDs from Region 1/A to the whole world. I also don't think those content makes who are enjoying those sales would agree to have their stock back in exchange for hundreds of millions of dollars in purchases out-of-region customers have spent.

Secondly who are you to tell me what I should buy or not. It's not illegal to import out of region else Amazon, CDJapan, CDWow and thousands of other sites would be sued to death.

It is not licensed to be used here. If you import it (Which should be illegal)

It is illegal to aid and abate piracy by modding Xboxes as in your signature.

its your own problem. Not Sony's problem. If you import the media out of region to bypass the local representatives the same applies. Its your problem. So because it is 120V in Japan you want Sony now to either supply you with a 220v unit from Japan or force Japan to convert to 220V. How pathetic. It's one big Joke.

You're LYING. Where did I say that? Come on quote the text. Liar.

Technically your arguments is a disaster and its clear all you want is a free lunch or ride to heaven.

What qualifications have you to say that technically my arguments are a disaster? Secondly you've never disclaimed them - you've just said they're a disaster. No proof to offer, eh?

 

[ldmelsa]

If we did a poll here, more people would side with my take on things...

A poll in USA showed that a big percentage of people believed a spaceship, not of human origin, crashed in 1947. Polls FTW.