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You'd rather have people who had nothing to do with apartheid have to worry about things like BEE. Why must life be more difficult for me than you? That's your ideal government?
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You're one to talk?
You'd rather have people who had nothing to do with apartheid have to worry about things like BEE. Why must life be more difficult for me than you? That's your ideal government?
I believe in EE. Everyone deserves a chance to prove themselves IMO.
If you are black, purple, orange or red. You should be afforded the same opportunity as anyone else.
Unfortunately racism is still a major part of our culture from all sides of the fence. So i believe we will only be able to live in the South Africa we all dream of when we stop seeing each other as different and instead see each other as fellow South Africans. We are one nation, one people. Let's start living that!
If you are black, purple, orange or red. You should be afforded the same opportunity as anyone else.
Unfortunately racism is still a major part of our culture from all sides of the fence. So i believe we will only be able to live in the South Africa we all dream of when we stop seeing each other as different and instead see each other as fellow South Africans. We are one nation, one people. Let's start living that!
Let me give you an idea of what apartheid caused. My granddad owned land(had a shoe store on it) it was big, today it might be considered a small holding. During apartheid times he was removed from he's property.
In his old age he lives in a tiny house in a crappy area, he has no assets and is dieing of cancer.
The property he use to own is now several flat complexes owned by white owners.
Is that ***** fair? Should we now do nothing about it... That land would have been mine now but i have to start from scratch... sorry EE will have to stay
In his old age he lives in a tiny house in a crappy area, he has no assets and is dieing of cancer.
The property he use to own is now several flat complexes owned by white owners.
Is that ***** fair? Should we now do nothing about it... That land would have been mine now but i have to start from scratch... sorry EE will have to stay
My gran has no assets and lives in a tiny house on our property and I have to start from scratch. I'm sorry for your granddad's loss but that had nothing to do with me, making my life more difficult won't solve anything.
marine1
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Exactly, maybe he should go ask Cyril or Tokyo or any other rich ANC member for help.
I never supported the NP but yet I am paying for their sins
If your gran was black she would have been moved to a camp that would have had a significant impact on her kids and you in turn no? You might have never obtained your property.
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That's just the thing though, it almost serves as both. Maybe if it were possible to sort people by if they were affected by it or not but the fact remains that the solution now affects everyone in both positive ways and negative ways. The most obvious thing is that the people who are affected in a positive way will be for it and then who ever else is affected in a negative way will be against it. Surely there should be a solution that can affect the 1 in a positive way without it feeling like a punishment to the other. The whole concept makes no logical sense if you think about it, help 1 at the expense of another?
+1, couldn't have said it better myself...
My gran was an orphan, she never had anything to begin with, if she were black who knows what I would have today, I might even have had more cause my dad might have gotten a better job because of AA and I'd have had an even bigger property?
Not the best argument to tell the truth...
But like I've pretty much said in all my posts, I'm all for the best person for the job attitude, I don't care about race cause I grew up in these times. I've tried to understand your points of view and where you guys are coming from and I think you should do the same about mine.
I do...
Your situation is not the the same as the vast majority of white people? correct? But are you treated like the majority? Yep and i wish that would change.
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K maybe most the time since it hasn't turned it a giant flaming war but I wouldn't say all the time though
But we are all South Africans doesn't it stand to reason that it should effect all of us? I thought that is what democracy was based upon. The fair and equal rights for all. If we are going to be equal about it we have to make some sacrifices for a greater goal, ie. to make a better country. Just like the black population sacrificed a lot during Apartheid. It's our turn now and why should it not be that way? Because we didn't hold the guns and drive in the vans to the townships to beat up anyone we felt like it? I still feel ashamed of what our previous regime did and i feel accountable even though it wasn't my own doing. Shouldn't we all feel accountable? Shouldn't we all want to change another South African's life for the better?
We may be helping one at the expense of the other but what else can we do? How do we fix the mess ? Nobody is saying it is the greatest policy ever. Of course there are flaws but hell at least it's something.
The white population do not seem that hard up if you ask me.
Agree with you Serqet. Once this policy starts harming the white population without rime or reason i will use my democratic vote to protect them. But at the moment the policy works and is effective to a degree.
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SA desperately needs people like you I must say. Within a few years, this country would be a great country to live in for everyone.
My main concern in this country is crime, poverty, education, health, etc....and all these things are interlinked. The ANC has done a terrible job in solving these things.
You make a point about accountability but I don't think we should, what happened happened and not because of us, I feel this way because to me what you're saying would be like holding everyone in Hitler's family accountable for what Hitler did.
However with your point on sacrifices for a greater goal I want to add that though putting previously disadvantaged people into a job does improve the country, it can also have the opposite effect if someone who could have done a better job did not get put there because of that but obviously not in all cases.
I can also see where you coming from that maybe this is the only apparent solution but like I said earlier surely we should be looking for another way that could also accomplish this?
I agree with you totally. There are certain positions that you can't afford to employ a previously disadvantaged person or any person for that matter due to their inexperience e.g. doctor, pilot, etc.
The whole AA/EE policies came into play because black people were denied to even have a better education to becoming doctors, CAs, etc. Once everyone has equal opportunities in terms of education, more especially the new generation, then this whole EE/AA will not be necessary.
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I'm saying everyone as fellow South Africans should want to help make South Africa what it could be and by that token you have to take some responsilibty for our past as you were born here and are living on the land. It's very easy to say "oh well it wasn't me" but where does that lead us?
But that's why one needs to set up a system whereby they have an apprenticeship and the company pays for their studies so they can end up being the best that they can be.
Are we suppose to just say sorry you aren't educated so no and let that be the end of it? What good does that serve?
Education is not something that should be afforded to the wealthy. It should be a given regardless.
The ANC in my opinion are not the best people when it comes to finding solutions to our country's problems. So yes definitely a better solution should be found but hell let's do something about it then. Instead we sit and complain. It solves nothing!
But that's why one needs to set up a system whereby they have an apprenticeship and the company pays for their studies so they can end up being the best that they can be.
Are we suppose to just say sorry you aren't educated so no and let that be the end of it? What good does that serve?
Education is not something that should be afforded to the wealthy. It should be a given regardless.
The ANC in my opinion are not the best people when it comes to finding solutions to our country's problems. So yes definitely a better solution should be found but hell let's do something about it then. Instead we sit and complain. It solves nothing!