HTML 5 VS Flash

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I have had this topic now a few times with fellow web designers and clients

Stating that the new HTML 5 will be killing flash soon and that there is not really a way to go with flash

I believe flash will always bring the interactivity to the user as long as site load speed and all the jazz is kept fast and stable

What is everyone's thoughs on Flash vs HTML 5?

Your opinions will be greatly appreciated
 
I would personally stick to flash for now. HTML5 is still new and there may be some issues when viewing websites on many older browsers.

I do not think HTML5 will be a flash killer at all.
 
If HTML5 doesn't kill flash then I pray that some other tech will come along and finish it off. Flash must die because you webdesigners insisted on using it for every annoying little thing just because you could.
 
What about Plain on HTML Vs Flash? I've seen many web sites (and developed a couple of my own) where people THINK its Flash because it LOOKS like flash, but its actually a clever UI jQuery library. And these sites aren't harnessing HTML 5 yet.

I think Google Maps speaks for itself and this site isn't using HTML 5 (yet).

Check out this site I just stubled on...100% javascript, no Flash: http://www.worldofmerix.com/

When the jQuery libraries start harnessing HTML 5 as well, I believe the power of HTML 5 will will reach the marketplace alot quicker.
 
rogerwe said:
What about Plain on HTML Vs Flash? I've seen many web sites (and developed a couple of my own) where people THINK its Flash because it LOOKS like flash, but its actually a clever UI jQuery library. And these sites aren't harnessing HTML 5 yet.

I think Google Maps speaks for itself and this site isn't using HTML 5 (yet).

Check out this site I just stubled on...100% javascript, no Flash: http://www.worldofmerix.com/

When the jQuery libraries start harnessing HTML 5 as well, I believe the power of HTML 5 will will reach the marketplace alot quicker.
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Very very cool site
 
byron_spy said:
Very very cool site
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Cool, but a bit slow imho. I think any technology that adds more interactivity to a website should be used only to enhance an already great design. Relying on them for the core experience of the site is the wrong approach.
 
So you reckon Google is using the wrong approach by using Javascript as their core experience on Google Maps?
 
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Look, Flash is great for something here and there within a website.

I would never recommend building a website from Flash alone. This would kill search engine listings. It is known that the majority of search engines are not able to index flash websites.

With Flash alone you will probably have a great website, but will rely on word-of-mouth to get visitors. You will lose hundreds probably thousands of visitors who will not find your website in search results.

Also, Flash is very slow. You may also lose visitors here when building a website out of flash alone. It will also require a lot of bandwidth usage from your visitors and even your own server.
 
Tracer said:
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I would never recommend building a website from Flash alone. This would kill search engine listings. It is known that the majority of search engines are not able to index flash websites.
Also, Flash is very slow.....
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Agree 100%.

I think the only advantage that flash developers have over pure HTML/Javascript developers is that the same code works on any browser. Most JavaScript web developers have to tweak their website to work in multiple browsers, especially the different versions of IE, especially IE6 which sometimes needs a totally separate code or workarounds to achieve the same thing.
 
rogerwe said:
So you reckon Google is using the wrong approach by using Javascript as their core experience on Google Maps?
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Google Maps is an online application, not a website. There is a fundamental difference. The website in that link is just that - a website. Note that my post was about adding extra functionality to a website, not a web application.
 
FarligOpptreden said:
Google Maps is an online application, not a website. There is a fundamental difference. The website in that link is just that - a website. Note that my post was about adding extra functionality to a website, not a web application.
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Aaaah, okay cool, I get your point....i think I do. Hopefully others do too.
 
Stick with Flash for now, as HTML 5 is not viewable in older browsers, especially IE.
 
Drake2007 said:
http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php
Sorry but that argument is quickly becoming obsolete, IE6 is at 4.6% market share. Mobile browsers generally don't use flash so DEATH it is.
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Not only can one not rely on the figures alone, but as far as I know HTML5 is only compatible with IE9 upwards.

I have IE8 and cannot view HTML5.

Be as it may, IE9 has another problem - XP users cannot make use of IE9. XP users still make up the majority of OS users on the Internet.

So, I agree. Stay away from HTML5 until a bit later when it is more compatible with more OS versions,
 
Tracer said:
Be as it may, IE9 has another problem - XP users cannot make use of IE9. XP users still make up the majority of OS users on the Internet.
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XP users should not make use of IE[any version]. Firefox and/or chrome and/or Opera is just a few clicks away.

Now apart from my absolute hatred of developing anything to work on any IE version, your statement shows that Microsoft policy is holding back technology (XP users cannot use IE9, therefor no HTML 5).

Maybe if more sites use HTML 5, more people will see the light and move away from IE.

Flash is also a crappy crappy tool. The sooner it dies the better for everyone.
 
uFiS said:
XP users should not make use of IE[any version]. Firefox and/or chrome and/or Opera is just a few clicks away.

Now apart from my absolute hatred of developing anything to work on any IE version, your statement shows that Microsoft policy is holding back technology (XP users cannot use IE9, therefor no HTML 5).

Maybe if more sites use HTML 5, more people will see the light and move away from IE.

Flash is also a crappy crappy tool. The sooner it dies the better for everyone.
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I hear you and agree.

The problem is getting the millions of XP users to move to other browsers will almost be impossible.

Unfortunately you dont want your website or your clients' website to loose on all those potential visitors / clients.
 
Tracer said:
Not only can one not rely on the figures alone, but as far as I know HTML5 is only compatible with IE9 upwards.

I have IE8 and cannot view HTML5.

Be as it may, IE9 has another problem - XP users cannot make use of IE9. XP users still make up the majority of OS users on the Internet.

So, I agree. Stay away from HTML5 until a bit later when it is more compatible with more OS versions,
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Think you right, I think web development will move well to html and j query and flash will be replaced in a way, you will still get a flash interactive sites but only the top class the real websites with spunk and personality
 
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