iPhone 6

[AstroTurf]

I can open these. Admittedly I have to use 95% of my power but I get it done. I'll never understand why these jars are made so tight...

LOL, Maybe I should buy a bottle of those to show you just how easily I can open it.
I have gorilla fingers.

 

[cerebus]

You make a statement saying "focusing alone wins it for me", yet when provided with empirical evidence that the S5 camera is better than the iPhone 5S camera, assume anecdotal evidence to be of equal value? I'm sorry, but that does not fly.

The fact that you are basing it on "photographers' eyes" is possibly the least scientific approach possible.

It may be a better camera to you, that doesn't make it better. Having a slight advantage in one aspect does not make the entire camera experience better. Be careful of putting too much weight into a slight improvement in low light conditions. If you're going to go by that metric, then the HTC One M8 may as well be declared the best camera in a smartphone.

I would say that from a perspective of image quality, the S5 is certainly superior to the 5s, albeit marginally. But from the aspect of the 'entire camera experience', which the review doesn't really touch on and includes things like autofocus, camera software, additional features like slo-mo or facial recognition, you can legitimately give the edge to the iPhone - but it will still be subjective. Those factors are not of a lesser importance holistically than image quality, which often you need a professional eye to determine.

 

[AstroTurf]

I would say that from a perspective of image quality, the S5 is certainly superior to the 5s, albeit marginally. But from the aspect of the 'entire camera experience', which the review doesn't really touch on and includes things like autofocus, camera software, additional features like slo-mo or facial recognition, you can legitimately give the edge to the iPhone - but it will still be subjective. Those factors are not of a lesser importance holistically than image quality, which often you need a professional eye to determine.

I kinda think that should have it's own thread anyway (if people are actually interested in the comparison).

 

[faniebraai]

I would say that from a perspective of image quality, the S5 is certainly superior to the 5s, albeit marginally. But from the aspect of the 'entire camera experience', which the review doesn't really touch on and includes things like autofocus, camera software, additional features like slo-mo or facial recognition, you can legitimately give the edge to the iPhone - but it will still be subjective. Those factors are not of a lesser importance holistically than image quality, which often you need a professional eye to determine.

can I ask a serious question, because I honestly don't understand. you guys keep mentioning 'autofocus', 'slo-mo' and 'facial recognition'. Can you give me a run down of what these features entail exactly? No walls-of-text, just a quick run down so I understand them better.

 

[sand_man]

LOL, Maybe I should buy a bottle of those to show you just how easily I can open it.
I have gorilla fingers.
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Fcking hell, you win!!

 

[AstroTurf]

can I ask a serious question, because I honestly don't understand. you guys keep mentioning 'autofocus', 'slo-mo' and 'facial recognition'. Can you give me a run down of what these features entail exactly? No walls-of-text, just a quick run down so I understand them better.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/26/t...-testing-the-camera-on-the-iphone-6.html?_r=0

 

[Maverick Jester]

I would say that from a perspective of image quality, the S5 is certainly superior to the 5s, albeit marginally. But from the aspect of the 'entire camera experience', which the review doesn't really touch on and includes things like autofocus, camera software, additional features like slo-mo or facial recognition, you can legitimately give the edge to the iPhone - but it will still be subjective. Those factors are not of a lesser importance holistically than image quality, which often you need a professional eye to determine.

True, but it's disingenuous to discredit empirical evidence in preference to anecdotal evidence. The superior aspects would simply boil down to what you prefer.

Personally, I think that the HTC One M8 has the best camera software of any smartphone. A shame that it just didn't have the overall resolution built into the sensor to really stand out.

 

[AstroTurf]

Fcking hell, you win!!

My 1 inch thick thumb intimidate you?

 

[cerebus]

can I ask a serious question, because I honestly don't understand. you guys keep mentioning 'autofocus', 'slo-mo' and 'facial recognition'. Can you give me a run down of what these features entail exactly? No walls-of-text, just a quick run down so I understand them better.

Let me Wikipedia that for you:

Autofocus:

An autofocus (or AF) optical system uses a sensor, a control system and a motor or tunable optical element to focus fully automatic or on a manually selected point or area. An electronic rangefinder has a display instead of the motor; the adjustment of the optical system has to be done manually until indication. Autofocus methods are distinguished by their type as active, passive or hybrid variants.

(Galaxy S5's autofocus is better than iPhone 5s's).
Slo-mo:

Slow motion (commonly abbreviated as slowmo) is an effect in film-making whereby time appears to be slowed down. It was invented by the Austrian priest August Musger in the early 20th century.

Typically this style is achieved when each film frame is captured at a rate much faster than it will be played back. When replayed at normal speed, time appears to be moving more slowly. A term for creating slow motion film is overcranking which refers to hand cranking an early camera at a faster rate than normal (i.e. faster than 24 frames per second). Slow motion can also be achieved by playing normally recorded footage at a slower speed.

(5s's slo-mo is better than S5's)

Facial recognition

A facial recognition system is a computer application for automatically identifying or verifying a person from a digital image or a video frame from a video source. One of the ways to do this is by comparing selected facial features from the image and a facial database.

It is typically used in security systems and can be compared to other biometrics such as fingerprint or eye iris recognition systems.[1]

(S5's facial recognition is better than 5s's).

 

[sand_man]

My 1 inch thick thumb intimidate you?

If only it was just a 1 inch thumb but it comes with scares and blisters too!! Those look like the hands of an engineer!

Anyway.... we digress....

 

[cerebus]

True, but it's disingenuous to discredit empirical evidence in preference to anecdotal evidence. The superior aspects would simply boil down to what you prefer.

It's incorrect to say that the 5s's camera is superior to the S5's for certain.

Personally, I think that the HTC One M8 has the best camera software of any smartphone. A shame that it just didn't have the overall resolution built into the sensor to really stand out.

It's not just the resolution, which is an understandable trade-off for low-light fidelity. The colour balance is also way out of whack and exposure control is basically broken.

 

[sand_man]

Let me Wikipedia that for you:

Autofocus:

(Galaxy S5's autofocus is better than iPhone 5s's).
Slo-mo:

(5s's slo-mo is better than S5's)

Facial recognition

(S5's facial recognition is better than 5s's).

Haven't checked your links but iOS 8 has made some really significant upgrades to the native camera app. Were tests/comparisons run on iOS 8?

http://thenextweb.com/creativity/2014/09/17/ios-8-breathes-new-life-older-iphone-camera-photos-apps/

 

[cerebus]

Haven't checked your links but iOS 8 has made some really significant upgrades to the native camera app. Were tests/comparisons run on iOS 8?

I didn't provide many links. But no they were based on 5s iOS7.

 

[faniebraai]

Let me Wikipedia that for you:

Autofocus:

(Galaxy S5's autofocus is better than iPhone 5s's).
Slo-mo:

(5s's slo-mo is better than S5's)

Facial recognition

(S5's facial recognition is better than 5s's).

Jeez, you just wasted a lot of effort. I know what they are, just wanted to know what makes them special.

All of these features in both the S5 and 5S and 6 and whatever else camera are all gimmicky, and the quality of a gimmick should not make a great camera make.

I think, imo, that it should be up to photos taken in different conditions (different lighting) and critical features like autofocus, and the flash, and OIS. Who gives a schit about slo-mo and facial recognition. Slo-mo - have it in my S5, use it once to test the feature. Never used again. Same with the Fast-mo (or whatever that's called). Facial recognition? Bugger that. I'll tell you what I want you to focus on, and take the pitcher when I say so. Done. All these other fancy megafters are all gimmicks.

 

[neilronaldson]

http://www.trustedreviews.com/iphone-6-review

 

[sand_man]

All of these features in both the S5 and 5S and 6 and whatever else camera are all gimmicky, and the quality of a gimmick should not make a great camera make.

With the exception of autofocus!! That makes or breaks the quality of the pic taken (IMHO)!

 

[AstroTurf]

I really think the camera comparisons should go in their own thread.

 

[Maverick Jester]

It's incorrect to say that the 5s's camera is superior to the S5's for certain.

Agreed, we'll just go with even then

It's not just the resolution, which is an understandable trade-off for low-light fidelity. The colour balance is also way out of whack and exposure control is basically broken.

Those can be fixed with the manual camera controls, for the most part. HTC's camera app is the best OEM app IMO, and I am hoping that the rumours of the HTC One M8 Eye are more than just that

 

[cerebus]

Jeez, you just wasted a lot of effort. I know what they are, just wanted to know what makes them special.

All of these features in both the S5 and 5S and 6 and whatever else camera are all gimmicky, and the quality of a gimmick should not make a great camera make.

I think, imo, that it should be up to photos taken in different conditions (different lighting) and critical features like autofocus, and the flash, and OIS. Who gives a schit about slo-mo and facial recognition. Slo-mo - have it in my S5, use it once to test the feature. Never used again. Same with the Fast-mo (or whatever that's called). Facial recognition?

That's total rubbish. Autofocus improves picture quality by not forcing you to struggle with refocusing every time you change the subject. Slo-mo at 240fps can provide some quite amazing videos.
[video=youtube;cXyIaV1I9Fk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cXyIaV1I9Fk[/video]
Facial recognition is kind of a standard feature in every camera. Having manual control over exposure is critical for varying lighting scenes. Etc. In the end you're able to produce a wider variety of interesting photos by having access to them. My wife even (over)uses the filters in the iOS app.

I'll tell you what I want you to focus on, and take the pitcher when I say so. Done. All these other fancy megafters are all gimmicks.

Some are gimmicks, some aren't. I'm not demoting any aspect and certainly image quality is preeminent, but why do you think everyone groused that the iPhone6 couldn't do 4k video? It's a 'gimmick' but people actually want it. They would like their phones to replace their point and click Powershots and overall, the iPhone accomplishes that to a better degree than the Galaxies.

 

[faniebraai]

With the exception of autofocus!! That makes or breaks the quality of the pic taken (IMHO)!

if you reread my paragraph, you'll see that autofocus is one of the critical features, not a gimmick.

That's total rubbish. Autofocus improves picture quality by not forcing you to struggle with refocusing every time you change the subject. Slo-mo at 240fps can provide some quite amazing videos.
[video=youtube;cXyIaV1I9Fk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cXyIaV1I9Fk[/video]

Relax, I did say autofocus is a critical feature. You probably misread when I said "I'll tell you what to focus on" <- I was actually referring to the facial recognition gimmick. Yeah, and slo-mo at 240fps you can do some awesome stuff, but for me personally, it's useless.

Facial recognition is kind of a standard feature in every camera. Having manual control over exposure is critical for varying lighting scenes. Etc. In the end you're able to produce a wider variety of interesting photos by having access to them. My wife even (over)uses the filters in the iOS app.

Some are gimmicks, some aren't. I'm not demoting any aspect and certainly image quality is preeminent, but why do you think everyone groused that the iPhone6 couldn't do 4k video? It's a 'gimmick' but people actually want it. They would like their phones to replace their point and click Powershots and overall, the iPhone accomplishes that to a better degree than the Galaxies.

I'm not any kind of a photographer, so can't really judge the importance of facial recognition, so I'm probably wrong that it's a gimmick. But if it's used to determine auto exposure adjustment in portrait type of shots, than sure, move it to the critical column.

True. 4k video is a silly gimmick at the moment. When 4k displays in our homes are standard, we can talk again. And true again yes, people want these things, no idea why.

All of the above is why I'm saying there should be tests done on critical-can't-do-without-features that will cover 99% of the cameras use. No use you are saying one is better than the other, because of something as gimmicky as slo-mo.

And just for clarity, I'm not taking sides here. I'm just debating the what-should-be-included-in-comparison-test tests themselves.