d0b33
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3 - Exactly it's only intended for overclocking not the average user.
4- True but if you want to run a 4:5 ratio then you'll need ram that can handle higher speeds.
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Is gaming ram worth it?
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3 - Exactly it's only intended for overclocking not the average user.
4- True but if you want to run a 4:5 ratio then you'll need ram that can handle higher speeds.
I'm not arguing that Gaming ram gives you FPS - it'll never give you more FPS!
Real world - Overall performance on my machine is definately better with Performance RAM as apposed to Generic RAM, but thats probably because Q9450 FSB is high, chews up memory bandwith rather fast and lower latency is more noticable. I'm only talking from my experience here, it's noticable to me, overage Joe may not have a performance motherboard or Quad core, so with them, theres no value at all....
Real world - Overall performance on my machine is definately better with Performance RAM as apposed to Generic RAM, but thats probably because Q9450 FSB is high, chews up memory bandwith rather fast and lower latency is more noticable. I'm only talking from my experience here, it's noticable to me, overage Joe may not have a performance motherboard or Quad core, so with them, theres no value at all....
d0b33
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lol so to come back to the OT, we all agree...
No, it's only worth it if you choose to overclock
No, it's only worth it if you choose to overclock
killadoob
Honorary Master
yip thats why i said you only buy the good stuff if you overclock
o i dont own an nfoce chipset so i cannot separate the 2
o i dont own an nfoce chipset so i cannot separate the 2
lol so to come back to the OT, we all agree...
No, it's only worth it if you choose to overclock
Finally.
d0b33
Honorary Master
MCH in 965/975/P35/X38 is mostly the same save for support for DDR3 in P35/X38. X48 and P45 are more optimized for DDR3 even though they will support DDR2. On NVIDIA platforms the MCH allows an unlinked mode because NVIDIA uses their own IP for making Intel compatible MCH. Allows both AMD and Intel NVIDIA boards to be very similar. (Ever see HT Link speed setting on Nforce board? - Well you know where it's from 
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2. Latency isn't that important when loading textures from RAM only throughput. That's why the push for DDR3 which can operate at much higher frequencies than DDR/DDR2 even though the latencies are pretty bad. CL8/9/10 sometimes.
3. Running anything out of spec for extra performance is an overclock. By running 4-4-4-15 you have decreased the clock cycle so as to improve efficiency even if its at the same speed. That's an overclock. I have a set or two of DDR 1142MHz rated RAM that I run it at 900MHz but set it to 3-3-3-9 @ 2.6Volts. Becuase its at a lower frequency does not mean it's not an overclock. It is, a hectic one too.
Then last, just buy as much ram as you can afford, DDR800 or 1066 Cl5 will do just fine.
)2. Latency isn't that important when loading textures from RAM only throughput. That's why the push for DDR3 which can operate at much higher frequencies than DDR/DDR2 even though the latencies are pretty bad. CL8/9/10 sometimes.
3. Running anything out of spec for extra performance is an overclock. By running 4-4-4-15 you have decreased the clock cycle so as to improve efficiency even if its at the same speed. That's an overclock. I have a set or two of DDR 1142MHz rated RAM that I run it at 900MHz but set it to 3-3-3-9 @ 2.6Volts. Becuase its at a lower frequency does not mean it's not an overclock. It is, a hectic one too.
Then last, just buy as much ram as you can afford, DDR800 or 1066 Cl5 will do just fine.
killadoob
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shock would you say to get my cpu to 4.0ghz i should lower my ram to 4-4-4? instead of 5-5-5 would this make any difference?
Have you tried changing lowering the ratio of your ram?
If you're trying for 1:1 and you don't have good OC'ing ram then chances are you'll max out the ram first..
lol that was my original post on the first page I never changed my view
lol oh is that why it took me all of 3 seconds to find this: "but gaming is where the difference is most noticeable and worth it."
No, lowering/tightening your ram latency will put more stress on it.
killadoob
Honorary Master
im using 1:1 at the moment
trying to get it stable 3.6ghz which it has been for 2 days now, just want more but maybe my asus p45 mobo will help when i get to install that is
trying to get it stable 3.6ghz which it has been for 2 days now
, just want more but maybe my asus p45 mobo will help when i get to install that isim using 1:1 at the moment
trying to get it stable 3.6ghz which it has been for 2 days now
Well if you really want to see where your CPU maxes out then i suggest changing the ratio. It's the only way to find out if it's the ram holding you back.
Usually lowering the ram-cpu ratio is one of the first things one would do.
d0b33
Honorary Master
KillaDoob maybe we start another thread, but Your DDR800 RAM (assuming it is 800 and not 667) should be able to tolerate 890MHz 5-5-5-15 or even 4-4-4-12 depending on the chips. if you run 1:1 with your 9X multi (it is Q600 right?) then 445MHz on the FSB will get your your 4GHz.
However that is assuming you're using G0 stepping CPU and that your board does actually clock quads to 445MHz. (use 400MHz strap if possible)
However that is assuming you're using G0 stepping CPU and that your board does actually clock quads to 445MHz. (use 400MHz strap if possible)
Please, don't make stupid comments trying to defend cheap RAM.