Isgs Omg

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So I'm moving to Cape Town - hook up a sweeeeet apartment in Knightsbridge, Century City. I was thinking of buying it actually.

Then today I get an options list and it turns out I cannot get a Telkom ADSL line in the place. I have to join the ISGS LAN and get broadband through them.

Their prices are insane. 384kbps with 6GB hardcap = R855.

Does anyone have any experience in this kind of situation? Can I get Telkom to put in a line for me?

I think I pay like R750 for my DO3 right now.
 
I'm in the same boat - I just moved in to Villa Italia. Same story, and I -REFUSE- to use IS...

I'm sending my estate agent a fax off tomorrow to complain, and I'm sending a formal complaint to ICASA. As far as I know, DD / IS does not have a ECNS license, so they can't provide PTSN Services... At the very least, they also cannot refuse a licensed ECNS holder access to the premises to provide telecomes facilities...

I wonder what ISGS will do if I apply for ISDN lines... :) Silly tossers!
 
Neotel isn't available here, I need Telkom DSL due to work requirements (MPLS Networks amungst other things). I need specific services for what I do...

I wonder what ISGS will do when I ask them to move my 192kb Diginet I still have in the strand to my new flat...

Christ, ISGS doesn't even answer the telephone when you call their '24 hour customer support line' WHAT A FREAKING JOKE!
 
Neotel isn't available here, I need Telkom DSL due to work requirements (MPLS Networks amungst other things). I need specific services for what I do...

I wonder what ISGS will do when I ask them to move my 192kb Diginet I still have in the strand to my new flat...

Christ, ISGS doesn't even answer the telephone when you call their '24 hour customer support line' WHAT A FREAKING JOKE!

Its pathetic that you have to use IS, I'm sure that can't be legal.
 
So I'm moving to Cape Town - hook up a sweeeeet apartment in Knightsbridge, Century City. I was thinking of buying it actually.

Then today I get an options list and it turns out I cannot get a Telkom ADSL line in the place. I have to join the ISGS LAN and get broadband through them.

Their prices are insane. 384kbps with 6GB hardcap = R855.

Does anyone have any experience in this kind of situation? Can I get Telkom to put in a line for me?

I think I pay like R750 for my DO3 right now.

I'm in the same boat - I just moved in to Villa Italia. Same story, and I -REFUSE- to use IS...

I'm sending my estate agent a fax off tomorrow to complain, and I'm sending a formal complaint to ICASA. As far as I know, DD / IS does not have a ECNS license, so they can't provide PTSN Services... At the very least, they also cannot refuse a licensed ECNS holder access to the premises to provide telecomes facilities...

I wonder what ISGS will do if I apply for ISDN lines... :) Silly tossers!



I've got a flat in villa italia as well, since the beginning and i tried to get telkom to install a line for me, but no luck. sucks really badly, only have the given 250 mb. only thing that'll work will be any 3 G connector or iBurst
 
There is an iBurst tower in Century City (probably on top of their offices there) so you'd at least have good coverage from them. It's between that and HSDPA then.

So where are these guys geting their broadband from then? They're just reselling to you at stupidly high prices.
 
There is an iBurst tower in Century City (probably on top of their offices there) so you'd at least have good coverage from them. It's between that and HSDPA then.

So where are these guys geting their broadband from then? They're just reselling to you at stupidly high prices.

Leased line to the complex I guess. Why do complexes allow them exclusivity? Who's getting the kickback?
 
Well,

I'm not taking this laying down... Already sent a email off to the ISPA (Of which Internet Solutions is a member, and have to adhere to their Code of Conduct), and I will be sending ISGS as well as my estate agent (Pam Golding) a formal complaint tomorrow.

If this isn't resolved by Friday, I am aproaching ICASA...

FYI
Hi,

As Internet Solutions is a member of the ISPA, and therefore have to comply to the rules as well as code of conduct in forced by the ISPA, I thought I’d take the time to inform the ISPA of the doings of the Internet Solutions, or more specifically, a division of Internet Solutions, Internet Solutions Gated Services (ISGS).

On Friday, the 13th of June 2008, I had the privilege of moving from the Strand, to Villa Italia in Century City (Western Cape). After visiting the apartment for the first time, and even more after moving in, I was well impressed by the services as well as facilities provided by this up market complex in Century City. CCTV Camera surveillance, 24x7 security guards at the entrances to the complex, and (here’s the giveaway), the security guards at these entrances, phoning you, and informing you of guests before allowing them entry into the complex. Naturally, this spells internal communications network, and up to now, I don’t really have a problem with this.

After moving in and settling down, on Monday the 16th of June 2008 I decide to take a walk to Cannel Walk, and visit my local Telkom Direct shop, as I have a need to:
1) Order a new 4MB ADSL Service
2) Order a new BRI ISDN Service
3) Move my 192KB/Sec Diginet Line from my old premises in the Strand, to my new flat in Century City.

Naturally, completely shocked and surprised, Telkom (and my estate agent, Pam Golding confirmed) informs me that all telecommunication facilities in Vila Italia as well as a few other complexes in Century City are provided and maintained by Internet Solutions Gated Services (ISGS). ISGS, does not allow Telkom access to the premises at all. Needless to say, I am refusing to use the Internet Solutions as my service provider, and neither am I going to pay their over inflated prices for the “service” that they offer (http://www.isgs.co.za/content.asp?TopLinkID=5&Level2LinkID=55&PageID=23).

After three quick phone calls to the ISGS Customer Support Line, which, according to their web site is available 24x7, not one of my three calls was answered by any staff – never mind actually resolving a problem. This indicates and just adds to the conception that their service is far below what is required, their service is sub standard, and their pricing is massively over inflated.

From my understanding:
1) Whilst Internet Solutions will more than likely have a VANS license, a VANS License does NOT entitle them to provide a ECN Service.
2) Internet Solutions does definitely NOT have a ECNS License, as to my understanding, none of these licenses has been allowed by ICASA.
3) As a consumer, what CHOICE do I now have, in terms of:
a. The type of telecommunication facility (wired) that I require? ADSL, ISDN, and DigiNET Services?
b. What right do they have in terms of the Telecommunications act, to refuse Telkom access to provide services?
c. Considering my Diginet is on contract, who is now going to be responsible for breach of contract, because Telkom cannot relocate the Diginet lines?

Needless to say, I am not at all pleased with this, and I bring this under the ISPA’s attention to see whether anything can be done about this state of affair. I think it is disgusting that myself, and various other people in the same complex (some of which I know personally) now have to sit without telecommunication facilities due to our CHOICE as a consumer, not to use the services from ISGS.

I hope that the ISPA will take this matter in a serious light. Whilst I am all for privatized communication facilities and I can definitely see the need for it (I’m really first in line to when it comes to liberating our Telecoms market), I believe that it should be done through competitive services, and on a free for all access, rather than now simply locking Telkom out, and giving myself as the consumer, no alternative but to use ISGW and pay their highly inflated pricing, for a service that I don’t want.

I will also be approaching ICASA in this regard and questioning the legality of these gated services provided by the Internet Solutions, as they do not have the appropriate licenses in terms of the relevant Acts. As to my understanding, Telkom, as a holder of a ECNS, and a obligation in terms of their license requirements, cannot be refused by a 3rd party to provide myself with telecommunication facilities either.

Regards
Chris Knipe

I'd suggest if there's anyone else that can't get services due to ISGS, let's all contact the ISPA as well as ICASA and inform them of the problem. If they don't know there's a problem, they won't do anything to fix it!
 
Hi,

Ok, so threatening them with ICASA, I managed to get some attention. According to them, Telkom has full access to the building.

Anyone that needs (or is waiting) for Telkom to provide services, please PM me your unit number, contact details, and if you have a reference number from Telkom, the reference number...

Naturally we all need to get to the bottom of this, and there's no reason why we can't have services from Telkom in the building (according to ISGS)
 
Hi,

Ok, so threatening them with ICASA, I managed to get some attention. According to them, Telkom has full access to the building.

Anyone that needs (or is waiting) for Telkom to provide services, please PM me your unit number, contact details, and if you have a reference number from Telkom, the reference number...

Naturally we all need to get to the bottom of this, and there's no reason why we can't have services from Telkom in the building (according to ISGS)

It can be quite a mission to get Telkom to install lines in a complex even at the best of times. My complex doesn't have ISGS or anything similar but Telkom seem too useless to come install phone lines. :mad:
 
I don't know it was locked to ISGS... I'm in Island Club atm. :eek:

...side note, quite a few of us live in the area :)
 
savage your findings are very interesting - I'll be tackling ISGS in a few weeks time once we have moved into Stonehurst.

And this could prove to be an interesting argument at the First AGM - ISGS will apparently have a representitive there.

The prices they want to charge is extortion at it's best - From one monopoly to another.
And a phonecall to our ISGS sales consultant elicited some rubbish about no contention ratios - that remains to be seen.

I'll keep you all updated when it happens.
 
Was at Mutual Heights in Cape Town before, my flat there has 512k uncapped included in the levy. Only issue was a lot of ports were blocked, but they allowed you to request opening of ports like VPN and RDP ports. The company was Dynacomm AFAIK
 
Considering the lines are an issue in these complexes...wouldn't wimax be an option?
 
doob, is bad for you.

But in terms Stonehurst - It's a security estate, so the developers talk to ISGS (isgs.co.za) prior to development IS makes provision for some backhaul connectivity to the estate - and sticks some cabling in the ground before the houses start going up - Then part of the agreement when you buy a plot / house - is to use ISGS services at the extortionate prices they set.

and thats that - telkom was excluded right from the start - and all the infrastracture in the ground is owned by IS (last mile)

Rough huh! - well it's almost like this - but when i start getting to the bottom of this i'll update ya all.
 
I can confirm with this. Im in Upper East Side (salt river) which also has ISGS systems...

such a freaking rippof. We went to www.amobia.com for our internet because i refuse to pay / gig @ R500

fluck that.

So did u manage to get telkom to lay a line to your place? cos that would be great if they can?

Regards,

Buddha
 
Hi,

I bought at Upper East side along with Buddha and had a big fight with ISGS regarding internet. Their access is provided via wireless (to Upper East Side at least) and they proudly proclaim that their pricing is competitive with that of the mobile operators. They informed me that if Telkom were willing to draw a line to the complex for us they would allow us access to that line, or something like that.

As far as I know their backhaul is a wireless link directly to the IS offices in Bree Street. I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who feels this is a crock, given that they position the offering as a substitute for DSL. Hell, even the monthly rental for a normal line is only like R20 cheaper than Telkom, and if you want a fax line you gotta pay extra.

It is interesting to note, however, that their PSTN connectivity is provided via Telkom PRI's coming into the building, and I would assume that this is the case with other ISGS developments, so it is certainly possible to get Telkom connectivity, just don't expect any help from IS.

I'm curious to know, we have a 384 line with 200mb cap built into the levy that we pay for the building. Does anyone else have to waste money on this excuse for a connection? Or have you managed to get it deducted from your levy?

As I've said before, it really is a sad day when one has to beg Telkom for connectivity to avoid being ripped off...

Cheers,

Defcon
 
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